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I like the Jetpack Primaris. The difference is that they look like they could actually stay in the air shooting things. The tipical assault squads have more a Jumpack that a Jetpack. Is just a boost to do big jumps and fall into the enemy.

My only problem with them are the legs. They look like they are floating and not knowing what to do with them. Is the same problem i have with the Kharadron Overlords ballon boys.

Also in the "jump dudes are cool" camp here. Very cool.

Can somebody with Facebook ask GW when we'll find out about the new chapters? Also, if they intend to release transfer sheets/upgrade packs for them?

Good quality transfers for the lesser chapters are a huge (and presumably easily-fixed) gap in their product line, IMO.

Tyel wrote:
Non-plussed about the Marines. They look like Marines but with slightly bulkier armour and about 5mm bigger. I probably come down on the side of thinking the new assault marines look silly, but I suspect its the flying bases (which, if I am honest, I have never liked in any form). I'll get used to them.

The jump pack being anchored to the head rather than the back of the model is definately the biggest silly element on them, and it's impossible to unsee once you notice.

Yes, it's attached to their librarian hood thing rather than directly to the helmet, but it still looks distinctly off.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:


Really hope we don't have to wait too long for a Primaris Assault Squad. (That's if we even get one!)

Uh, there's 3 that come in the new starter, so yes. They are coming!

Well I hope we can get the choppy choppy version and not the bang bang one.

I have a sneaking suspicion that these are not traditional Assault Marines or like them. I think they are more Crisis Suit like. So possibly a Jump Shoot Jump rule or the like.

All I see only makes the decision to stop buying 40k easier. Primaris Marines both fluff and intentions, simpleton rules, busy Nurgle minis.

Seeing the new death guard only makes me want to buy the box of much more menacing finecast ones and Typhus. The former seem cartoonish and AoSy, with a disclaimer that it might be all because of the awful GW painting scheme ruining the look of the minis.

Fun fact, I might still buy the starter. With the new rules being garbage, it only seems fitting to use the old scale minis for modified 5/6/7 ed battles where they belong and the 8th ed starter stuff for some made up skirmish system. Doesn't feel connected anymore and no problem for me ditching the rules and fluff completly.

Btw it's a bit funny that they attempted to modernise the look of space marines but left those awful rings on joints, they scream 80s like nothing else on the minis and don't fit at all. Enough to look at the captain chest and then at the ringy stuff. Other than that, the new marines are solid sf concepts but imo remain a wasted opportunity, maybe in 2030 when they ask again to replace all your hard earned and built stuff, again.

Oh really? "the new rules being garbage" - the rules we haven't even seen yet? You're just trolling, dude.

changemod wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
I don't understand the hate on the new jump/jet Primaris. I think they're amazing! I love the huge jetpack with leg supports. Looks good and reminds me of old RT Era art.

Wearing a librarian's hood, jump pack is attached to the hood rather than the back of the armour, making it essentially connected to the head. No air intakes unlike every other jump pack design. Leg pose is very awkward, and the tread-skate things look weird. The little shields on the half a stormbolter guns look kinda weird. It's strange to see an assault marine unit with no close combat weapons whatsoever.

Just trying to list every design objection specific to them I can think of, both my own and ones I've heard from elsewhere.

They look distinct from psychic hoods to me. Also, if you look, you'll see that the "hood" and the torso are all one piece, it's not an attachment. Finally, they're not assault marines. But I guess it's very subjective. I love them.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
I don't understand the hate on the new jump/jet Primaris. I think they're amazing! I love the huge jetpack with leg supports. Looks good and reminds me of old RT Era art.

I agree.

If we assume the usual "just about to land" or "leaping in to the air" pose of assault marines, then these look off.

But if we assume that these are skimming over the ground and in flight while using the leg jets for maneuver/stabilization? The legs look fine.

These things aren't assault marines, at least not from the look of it. They are flying marines.

They actually remind me a lot of SAMAS suits from Rifts .

They also appear to be wearing gravis armour as well. Colour me intrigued at the prospect of flying terminators.

In general, I'd say they're my favourite of the bunch in terms of look and composition.

Yeah a Space Marine SAMAS was one of the first thoughts I had as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the Interceptors are essentially a SM jet bike unit but with the bike built into there armour.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh really? "the new rules being garbage" - the rules we haven't even seen yet? You're just trolling, dude.

Even if the rules are garbage, the rules have been garbage for the last 2 or 3 editions so why now?

What do you people think the odds are that Primaris get a new Dreadnought type?

So I know that the heads and shoulder pads are compatible with the regular Marine kits, but what about weapons and arms? I kinda want to use that shield pistol thing for...something...of some sort.

The plague marine size does urk me a little, mainly because i have over 50 currently plague marines from various incarnations of the range... they all manage to scale together ok... these guys, just wont fit.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
What do you people think the odds are that Primaris get a new Dreadnought type?

100% because they already mentioned it

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-faq-may15gw-homepage-post-2/

Well, aside from missing out on some cool new models and tactical options for your army, then that’s totally cool. You certainly don’t have to include Primaris Space Marines in your Space Marines army. Though when you see the Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought, you’ll want to. Primaris Dreadnought? Did I write that…? Nah. Moving on.

I actually quite like the hood embellishment and I don't think it should be a sacrosanct psykers-only thing. With marines often aping a lot of monastic aesthetics, an armoured hood is a neat not to that.

As for the placement of the jets? It is a fully integrated part of the torso instead of a vestigial jet pack. Where assault marines are standard suits with packs slapped on, the suits worn by interdictors are made with fully integrated jump equipment. The main thrusters, auxilliaries in the feet, and integral skids all seem to point to interdictors being closer to a missing link between bikes and speeders and less straight up assault marines.

These aren't primaris assault marines, these are something very very different from what we can see.

Chad Warden wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
What do you people think the odds are that Primaris get a new Dreadnought type?

100% because they already mentioned it

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-faq-may15gw-homepage-post-2/

Well, aside from missing out on some cool new models and tactical options for your army, then that’s totally cool. You certainly don’t have to include Primaris Space Marines in your Space Marines army. Though when you see the Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought, you’ll want to. Primaris Dreadnought? Did I write that…? Nah. Moving on.

Must've missed it, sorry

 Latro_ wrote:
The plague marine size does urk me a little, mainly because i have over 50 currently plague marines from various incarnations of the range... they all manage to scale together ok... these guys, just wont fit.

You can use them all as Plague Marines and your normal plague marines as CSM with MoN.

JohnnyHell wrote:Oh really? "the new rules being garbage" - the rules we haven't even seen yet? You're just trolling, dude.

We have at this point seen quite a large chunk of the rules. Without a full picture we can't say how game balance is as that has so many interwoven factors, but we're getting an increasingly clear image of what the new edition is like, and the clearer it gets the thinner this kind of comment wears.

Also by the same logic, you could say that a positive opinion of the rules is groundless in identical proportion to a negative one. If we truly must have -everything- for an opinion to mean anything, then all we can really say at this point is "A ruleset exists".

Tyran wrote:Even if the rules are garbage, the rules have been garbage for the last 2 or 3 editions so why now?

I think it's a fairly reasonable opinion to hold that the framework has been much the same since 3rd edition, and that a complete divorce from said framework instead of trying to rebuild it can be alienating.

Or in other words, something to the effect of "I liked 5th, why can't we more or less go back to 5th and redo the system tweaks that allow for new models to be less of a mess?"

 Desubot wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Wulfey wrote:
The phaseout is happening. Period. Rhino/Landraider/Landspeeder/Razorback are all 10+ years old. A lot of money to be had in making new kits for those.

They could use some scale creep IMO. They are way too small to have their supposed transport ability.

On a seperate note, anyone else not like the leg positioning of the jetpack numarines?

Its the only thing i dont like about them

i can deal with the mickymouse ear jet pack but the leg pose ticks me the most.

nothing a little surgery cant fix though.

The legs make sense when you realize they are hovering and not making an assisted jump.

With the extra jets on the legs I don't think these are anywhere like traditional assault Marines. Think infantry sized Aerial Jump Shoot Jump support

The jetpack Marines look even more anime than Tau and I love it.

I can't wait to put a squad of Primaris Space Marines in my Rhino Primaris so I can Primaris while I Primaris.

I really hope they don't invalidate all of the existing SM vehicles. There are too many things based off the Rhino Chassis that it would suck to have them all be replaced by Bigger and Better. Especially given how they have talked up the Rhino and Land Raider a lot in the previews. I am looking forward to the Redemptor Dreadnought though. As long as it doesn't lead to me disliking all of my Angry Washing Machines. Hopefully it is more of a replacement to the Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought.

I really hope a squad of Intercessors can fit in a Razorback. If they are Bulky, that will ruin them a bit for me. Same with the eventual Gravis Armor Squads (please let them be called Excelsior Squads to keep with the Primaris/Excelsior name theme) fitting in a Land Raider/Stormraven.

Also, given that in one article, Raptor Squads are described as using the Fly rule in the Cities of Death article, I would like to think their Loyalist equivalent, the Assault Squad, will have Fly as well. It would definitely make them quite good at what they do.

Also, I think the Dark Imperium Inceptors are going to go to my Crimson Fists rather than my Blood Angels. I am hoping for a variant that has a chainsword alongside a pistol rather than two pistols.

 Darkseid wrote:
Not a fan of the Primaris. While they still look like Space Marines, they have a more modern sci-fi visuals. I prefere my marines more crude and gothic.

This x1000. They just don't feel like space marines to me. Where are the oversized pauldrons? The heroic GW crouch? They look like if Michael Bay made a summer blockbuster about space marines adapted for the big screen and these are the miniature line based on that movie. They've lost a lot of the distinctive qualities that set space marines apart from other "modern" sci-fi.

changemod wrote:

JohnnyHell wrote:Oh really? "the new rules being garbage" - the rules we haven't even seen yet? You're just trolling, dude.

We have at this point seen quite a large chunk of the rules. Without a full picture we can't say how game balance is as that has so many interwoven factors, but we're getting an increasingly clear image of what the new edition is like, and the clearer it gets the thinner this kind of comment wears.

Also by the same logic, you could say that a positive opinion of the rules is groundless in identical proportion to a negative one. If we truly must have -everything- for an opinion to mean anything, then all we can really say at this point is "A ruleset exists".

Tyran wrote:Even if the rules are garbage, the rules have been garbage for the last 2 or 3 editions so why now?

I think it's a fairly reasonable opinion to hold that the framework has been much the same since 3rd edition, and that a complete divorce from said framework instead of trying to rebuild it can be alienating.

Or in other words, something to the effect of "I liked 5th, why can't we more or less go back to 5th and redo the system tweaks that allow for new models to be less of a mess?"

In other words, adverse to change and more in maintaining the status quo.

They have been trying to balance it from 3rd to 7th and have failed time in and time out. They hit a block with their creative team that required a new edition or a new codex to fix. When would you say it might be time for a change? 10th edition? 12th? 15th? Beyond that they would of killed all hope so to me this is a great edition.

As someone else who plays maybe 6bother game systems, streamlined rules that are balances and innovative to degrees are FAR MORE desirable than broken rules with roken editions.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Darkseid wrote:
Not a fan of the Primaris. While they still look like Space Marines, they have a more modern sci-fi visuals. I prefere my marines more crude and gothic.

This x1000. They just don't feel like space marines to me. Where are the oversized pauldrons? The heroic GW crouch? They look like if Michael Bay made a summer blockbuster about space marines adapted for the big screen and these are the miniature line based on that movie. They've lost a lot of the distinctive qualities that set space marines apart from other "modern" sci-fi.

So... bad proportions where the "Distintive touch" of space marines? To me is the gothic aesthetic. I can agree in things like the visor of the rifle, something that I don't know what use can have because they wear helmets that already did that and that makes their weapon look mire like a "practical modern sci-fi weapon" that something else.

But having better proportions isn't one of the reasons this Primaris Marines are less WH-Gothic. Is the same with the Contemptor Dreadnought. THATS less "gothic" that the normal boxy Dreadnought.

changemod wrote:

I think it's a fairly reasonable opinion to hold that the framework has been much the same since 3rd edition, and that a complete divorce from said framework instead of trying to rebuild it can be alienating.

Or in other words, something to the effect of "I liked 5th, why can't we more or less go back to 5th and redo the system tweaks that allow for new models to be less of a mess?"

Then find people that share that opinion and play 5th edition.

Tyran wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh really? "the new rules being garbage" - the rules we haven't even seen yet? You're just trolling, dude.

Even if the rules are garbage, the rules have been garbage for the last 2 or 3 editions so why now?

Old rules were garbage because of the lack of balance and shallow but bloated core rules. The new rules are even more shallow, go figure. That's simple to the point of dumb, I mean, vehicles without facing? Jesus.

Maybe they will fix it, they supposedly listen now. From what I've heard so far though, it's a worst edition of 40k, ruined from its very start.

@JohnyHell

No, dude.

changemod wrote:

JohnnyHell wrote:Oh really? "the new rules being garbage" - the rules we haven't even seen yet? You're just trolling, dude.

We have at this point seen quite a large chunk of the rules. Without a full picture we can't say how game balance is as that has so many interwoven factors, but we're getting an increasingly clear image of what the new edition is like, and the clearer it gets the thinner this kind of comment wears.

Also by the same logic, you could say that a positive opinion of the rules is groundless in identical proportion to a negative one. If we truly must have -everything- for an opinion to mean anything, then all we can really say at this point is "A ruleset exists".

Tyran wrote:Even if the rules are garbage, the rules have been garbage for the last 2 or 3 editions so why now?

I think it's a fairly reasonable opinion to hold that the framework has been much the same since 3rd edition, and that a complete divorce from said framework instead of trying to rebuild it can be alienating.

Or in other words, something to the effect of "I liked 5th, why can't we more or less go back to 5th and redo the system tweaks that allow for new models to be less of a mess?"

Because 5th was built on the same terrible rickety foundation all the other versions were and the only reason it seemed good was because it went for bland first.

As for the rules, you could have all 5 books memorized and not have a goddam clue what the game plays like until it hits the table.


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Tyran wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh really? "the new rules being garbage" - the rules we haven't even seen yet? You're just trolling, dude.

Even if the rules are garbage, the rules have been garbage for the last 2 or 3 editions so why now?

Old rules were garbage because of the lack of balance and shallow but bloated core rules. The new rules are even more shallow, go figure. That's simple to the point of dumb, I mean, vehicles without facing? Jesus.

Maybe they will fix it, they supposedly listen now. From what I've heard so far though, it's a worst edition of 40k, ruined from its very start.

@JohnyHell

No, dude.

Facings were stupid. Straight up. Why does a mainline battletank have a fully armored front and paper mache sides? Like no on ever shoots them at a 46 degree angle?

You can have a deep rule set without getting bogged down in things people have convinced themselves is somehow realistic when it's not at all. And the 'tactics' of facing was basically 'can you argue for longer than you're opponent that you're in side arc?

The 'skids' on the feet might not even be that at all. Maybe they are very small grav-plates, like the bottom of the Landspeeder?

I just noticed this, but the Hellblasters only have three unique molds (Two each of two molds and the Sergeant). That's a bit disappointing. The Intercessors don't seem to have that problem. Oh well. I wish I could get a better look at the Hellblaster Sergeant to know if he has a helmet on his hip or not.

I am a bit bummed they didn't leave the left shoulderpad on the primus marines seperate. They aren't even push fit like the blood bowl set so I figured they might be more customizable. I was really hoping i'd be able to avoid using wonky transfers but it looks like i'm gonna be stuck doing it. They are way too plain to be dark angels so it looks like i'm doing ultramarines or carcharadons or something. (won't do carcharadons either unless they rerelease the transfer sheet).

I'd love them to show us 360 spins of the models as a preview as well. Some of these models may look a lot better at a different angle and you can find new details from looking at a 360 image. It would be cool to see some of the concept art done for the primus marines. I'm not sure they look like the work of blanche or jes goodwin.