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AoS has separate rules for linear obstacles, they're just not in the 'core' rules.
Would be extremely surprised if 40k didn't have them too.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
They cost like a 7th crisis suit, come at high speed, fly and pack two decent guns....

So. Marine crisis suits.


That side picture of the numarine plasma reveals just how much tau tech is in it.


Long story short, numarine equipment was built using reversed tau tech.
The inquisition ain't gonna be happy once they find out.

Huh? The Plasma Incinerator looks almost exactly like a Skitarii Plasma Caliver. It even looks a lot like a scaled down version of the Plasma Cannon from the Venerable Dreadnought kit.

Can you not see the two power cells blobs right next to the handle who are IDENTICAL to the ones on tau plasma rifles, that no imperial weapon ever had?

I suggest you look at the Venerable Dreadnought Plasma Cannon.

 docdoom77 wrote:

dosiere wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:

 JohnU wrote:
A flat +1 for ALL types of terrain? Guess that really does simplify things.

I don't mind that, but I hate the "if all models in a unit are in a piece of terrain" part. So intervening cover means nothing? Yuck.

Yep, it's the same way in AoS and it makes no sense there either. Fortunately it's an example of a simple and usually unanimous house rule to set in place.

I just thought that 40k, being the kind of game it is would have better terrain rules. Cover has always been more important in 40k than in fantasy. This is easily the most disappointing thing I've seen from 8th (though I'm still feeling more positive than negative).

In a recent Frontline gaming podcast they said that there is much more in-depth terrain rules that what we have with 7th. Also in the community post about cities of death and ruins, they talked about infantry getting cover while in terrain while vehicles and monsters need to be obscured, and that infantry can move through ruins while vehicles and monsters cannot.

I would guess that there will be data slates for terrain and/or that there will be advanced rules for terrain that we are not seeing here.

I didn't see anything that prevents shooting a unit then charging a completely different unit? Did I just miss something in my excitement?

No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

I think it's been replaced by going first. Which is fine, but I sure hope Orks still have a Furious Charge equivalent, or they're gonna have some lackluster charges.

Intercessors at 24. Hellblasters are 23.

Kind of odd - I can't see a reason for it. Perhaps making the unit more palatable?

Jesus that Baal fluff is bad.

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

I think you just get to attack first instead.

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

The general assumption is that there is no universal charge bonus other then hitting first. The only units that will get an attack bonus for charging are those who have it as a special rule.

Captain in Gravis w/ Power Sword & Boltstorm Gauntlet = 135pts
Primaris Ancient = 63 points
LT w/Autobolt = 60
LW w/PS = 64
Inceptor = 159 *On the assumption they each have to buy 2 guns*
Hellblaster = 200
Intercessor = 120
Intercessor = 120

921 up to 947 depending on MC or regular power sword.

 gigasnail wrote:
Jesus that Baal fluff is bad.

It was okay, to be honest.

The new marine Plasma rifles just look like marine sized Plasma Culverns that the Skitarii have

I dont see the tau tech

Daedalus81 wrote:
Intercessors at 24. Hellblasters are 23.

Kind of odd - I can't see a reason for it. Perhaps making the unit more palatable?

I'm sure it's because you have to buy the gun for 17 points.

So based on the rules - everything can shoot and charge?


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 docdoom77 wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:
Intercessors at 24. Hellblasters are 23.

Kind of odd - I can't see a reason for it. Perhaps making the unit more palatable?

I'm sure it's because you have to buy the gun for 17 points.

Yea I figured as much. I don't think people can complain that Primaris are made to be more powerful than regular marines.

 gigasnail wrote:
Jesus that Baal fluff is bad.

So BA have been bailed out by Necrons, Khorne, and their spiritual liege?

I'm not sure which is more embarrassing.

#forgethenarrative

jcd386 wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

I think you just get to attack first instead.

BlaxicanX wrote:

changemod wrote:
No seriously, did I miss bonus attack for charging or is it just not there anymore?

The general assumption is that there is no universal charge bonus other then hitting first. The only units that will get an attack bonus for charging are those who have it as a special rule.

Then I really hope they frequently raised the base attacks of assault units or bonus charge attacks are -really- common, because otherwise that along with the no bonus for two weapons thing is a major game-wide nerf to assault.

Re: awesome Nurgle art

Are those things in the lower left the full gribblies to the rumour engine pic of many chubby feet? Yum.

 docdoom77 wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:
Intercessors at 24. Hellblasters are 23.

Kind of odd - I can't see a reason for it. Perhaps making the unit more palatable?

I'm sure it's because you have to buy the gun for 17 points.

Yes, but would it not make more sense to have the Hellblasters at 24 and the gun at 16?

 Binabik15 wrote:
Re: awesome Nurgle art

Are those things in the lower left the full gribblies to the rumour engine pic of many chubby feet? Yum.

Nurgle Tryceratops/Elephants? Hmmm, jummy...

If it is only artist freedom I'll be both sad and happy. Sad because I love them, and happy because at last GW let artist drawn things that haven't models.

And in the Baal fluff... is bad yes, but really is just the cliché Imperial narrative of 95% of their storys
"WE ARE DOOMED. EPIC LAST STAND. OMG REINFORCEMENTS. WE ARE SAVED BUT BARELY ALIVE. CHAN CHAN CHAN A NEW VILLAIN EMERGES!"

changemod wrote:

Then I really hope they frequently raised the base attacks of assault units or bonus charge attacks are -really- common, because otherwise that along with the no bonus for two weapons thing is a major game-wide nerf to assault.

Orks got +1 attacks with choppas...presumably some other dual-wielding weapons will get the same rule.

No idea if boyz get furious charge...Reece/GW did not decide to include any stats in the ork release.

Is this the future of gets hot weapons? I like it, because even at their weakest level they still match what they were before.

And the Interceptors are unreal! Very cool though. And the Captain is cool too. Sorry, I'm gushing and my vocabulary is going out of the window.

 Binabik15 wrote:
Re: awesome Nurgle art

Are those things in the lower left the full gribblies to the rumour engine pic of many chubby feet? Yum.

I assume they are the new Beasts of Nurgle.

You know as long as they've fixed tyranids as a playable faction, I give exactly zero feths about the fluff.

It's still bad, that they do it all the time is irrelevant.

So if you buy the weapons seperatly, thats 159,- for 3 Inceptors

 JimOnMars wrote:

changemod wrote:

Then I really hope they frequently raised the base attacks of assault units or bonus charge attacks are -really- common, because otherwise that along with the no bonus for two weapons thing is a major game-wide nerf to assault.

Orks got +1 attacks with choppas...presumably some other dual-wielding weapons will get the same rule.

No idea if boyz get furious charge...Reece/GW did not decide to include any stats in the ork release.

It's also good to keep in mind that WS4 is likely to become WS 3+ now. Orks used to generally hit on 4's against basically everything. This can't be discounted when taking a look at CC specialists in the new edition, most of them got a decent boost in terms of hit rate.

 Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

It's not that bad. When I started reading it I thought they might wipe out every blood angel except commander date and then have gulliman offer him "reinforcements"

I like that the points aren't all round 5s, 10s etc. I trust non-round numbers more than conveniently rounded ones!