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Just checked out the marine stuff and noticed that the Primaris Inceptor Squad is 45 PPM with two assault bolters at 15 points each for a total of 75 ppm after upgrades and there power level is only 8. So far 1 power level has equaled around 20 points plus or minus a point or two. A power level of 8 should be around 160 points, which is close to the 159 points per unit of the first leak. To me it looks like they forgot that Inceptors come with two assault bolters.

LOL Death Guard no bikers too. Jesus

No Lord on Bike either

imperium 1
http://imgur.com/a/KdV3Q
imperium 2
http://imgur.com/a/KkO3b
xenos 2
http://imgur.com/a/cjBWO

rvd1ofakind wrote:
Where are the rules for keywords like "FLY" and "JETPACK"?

"If the Datasheet for a model says it can fly, it can move across models and terrain as if they were not there". p. 177 rulebook

gally912 wrote:

Iago40k wrote:

gally912 wrote:
So longtime lurker, grabbed the full download before it went down.

Its a 1.4GB+ zip file.

Way too big to upload to imgur in reasonable time. Anybody want individual pages I'll upload for the next couple hours or so.

Great thread.

Would appreciate some Dark Angels esp Ravenwing Stuff (i.e. Black Knights ans special rules). cheers mate

http://imgur.com/a/h1pg7

Did my Interrogator-Chaplain on a bike just become invalid?

I didn't see an option anywhere

Ok so I haven't read all of this so apologies if previously discussed, but am I reading right that plasma weapons no longer "get hot" unless supercharged? Except Kharns (cause it's always supercharged?) Seems to suck a little why couldn't he have had the same option, ok so he's not slain but why do these characters have to have flawed kit (Abaddons sword) I would rather a lower profile than play Russian roulette.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:

gally912 wrote:

Iago40k wrote:

gally912 wrote:
So longtime lurker, grabbed the full download before it went down.

Its a 1.4GB+ zip file.

Way too big to upload to imgur in reasonable time. Anybody want individual pages I'll upload for the next couple hours or so.

Great thread.

Would appreciate some Dark Angels esp Ravenwing Stuff (i.e. Black Knights ans special rules). cheers mate

http://imgur.com/a/h1pg7

Did my Interrogator-Chaplain on a bike just become invalid?

I didn't see an option anywhere

Don't worry, it's there. On the same page as Asmodai and the TDA Interrogator Chaplain

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:

Did my Interrogator-Chaplain on a bike just become invalid?

I didn't see an option anywhere

You may cease your crying. It's in there, same page as Asmodai.
Edit: Gaddam ninjas... :-)

Well there you have it. Guard should easily get Max CPs. 40pts for a squad of Infantry. 62 with an autocannon and a Plasma Gun.

Justyn wrote:
Well there you have it. Guard should easily get Max CPs. 40pts for a squad of Infantry. 62 with an autocannon and a Plasma Gun.

MAx? There is no such thing as max Well okay matched play has but I think 3-4 brigades might be tad hard even for guard to fill

Ok so I haven't read all of this so apologies if previously discussed, but am I reading right that plasma weapons no longer "get hot" unless supercharged? Except Kharns (cause it's always supercharged?) Seems to suck a little why couldn't he have had the same option, ok so he's not slain but why do these characters have to have flawed kit (Abaddons sword) I would rather a lower profile than play Russian roulette.

Then play with a normal Chaos Lord and a Normal Captain. Kharn and Abaddon will not suffer to have lesser profiles!!!!!

Spearhead detachment of Magnus + 18 "Thousand Sons Obliterators" for good times and noodle salad for bargain basement price of 1585 points

Fill the rest of the points up with some anti-horde stuff ^_^

Is Magnus not a Lord of War? Guilliman is.

Bastions actually look interesting 160pts (200 with the HB's right?)

10 models can fire and draw los from anywhere on it!

Just flipped through the pages of Imperium 1 and 2... and I really hate some of the stuff in there.
Honour Guard: 2 models. No option to increase unit size. Why? Because GW sells the Honour Guard kit with 2 Honour Guard, Champion, Ancient?
Generic Chapter Master gone? :(
Deathwatch: no Primaris? No Stormshield/Jumppack on certain characters because GW doesn't sell them?
Inquistion: are the cool grenades gone or did I miss them somehow?

Its a same that inquisitor acolytes can no longer take storm shields. Thats 12 models that have become useless

 Crazyterran wrote:
Is Magnus not a Lord of War? Guilliman is.

Good point ^_^ But you also solved where some of the extra points will go, into the mandatory HQ ^_^ For example a Sorcerer in Terminator armour for more teleporting goodness.

I can make a marine list which out-shoots, outlives and outmaneuvers any of the Necron lists I've tried to make. For ****s sake, this is depressing. Maybe I'll wake up and it'll all be a nightmare...

Bastions actually look interesting 160pts (200 with the HB's right?)

10 models can fire and draw los from anywhere on it!

Looking like a good spot for those Hellblasters, or Any Heavy Weapons.

R.I.P. Dire Avengers.

Hello Storm Guardians.

Can someone tell also if Plague Marines take meltaguns?

So far impressed with the revised Sisters of Battle (from Leaks)

Celestine is very powerful - esp with her free Act of Faith - AFO move 12", then move 12" and then charge 2D6" - nice
Battle Sisters and Canoness are cheaper and seem to be solid.
I love the idea of the Hospitlier running about patching people up
Flamers seem to work on flyers (they autohit and can be fired after Advancing) and Sister can have lots of flamers
Bastion seems more worthwhile this edition (every time i took one it got blown up first turn in 6th ed)

Not being able to fire out of Rhinos etc and thier points increase is a bit of pain but not major
Repentia having a downgrade on their Eviscerators is not good :( but being able to charge out of the trasnport is good.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Honour Guard: 2 models. No option to increase unit size. Why? Because GW sells the Honour Guard kit with 2 Honour Guard, Champion, Ancient?
Deathwatch: no Primaris? No Stormshield/Jumppack on certain characters because GW doesn't sell them?
I

Yup and yup.

Heartland wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:

Did my Interrogator-Chaplain on a bike just become invalid?

I didn't see an option anywhere

You may cease your crying. It's in there, same page as Asmodai.
Edit: Gaddam ninjas... :-)

HUZZAH

I was just worried, my favorite model is my custom Interrogator-Chaplain.... on a bike.

Lol it would have hurt to lose him

Justyn wrote:

Ok so I haven't read all of this so apologies if previously discussed, but am I reading right that plasma weapons no longer "get hot" unless supercharged? Except Kharns (cause it's always supercharged?) Seems to suck a little why couldn't he have had the same option, ok so he's not slain but why do these characters have to have flawed kit (Abaddons sword) I would rather a lower profile than play Russian roulette.

Then play with a normal Chaos Lord and a Normal Captain. Kharn and Abaddon will not suffer to have lesser profiles!!!!!

Didn't really answer my question, "gets hot" gone or not?
I don't play either of them (since Abaddon stopped being an unstoppable killing machine) and I doubt my opinion on here is likely to change the rules. I was just looking at the profiles to find out about plasma weapons.

 avedominusnox wrote:
LOL Death Guard no bikers too. Jesus

No Lord on Bike either

The solution here is clearly to take your bikes, run a seperate detachment with the Fast Attack slots...

Have your Mark of Nurgle and your Legion as FETH YOU TIL YOU GIVE US A PROPER FACTION BOOK.

Hell, it's looking like that's what I'm going to have to do.

Just run the keywords Chaos and Nurgle. Possibly stick the Death Guard in a seperate detachment or just run my Legion as God Damnit GW, Did You Forget Death Guard Utilised Havoc And Terminator Squads Extensively During The Heresy?

 deathstalker013 wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Ok so I haven't read all of this so apologies if previously discussed, but am I reading right that plasma weapons no longer "get hot" unless supercharged? Except Kharns (cause it's always supercharged?) Seems to suck a little why couldn't he have had the same option, ok so he's not slain but why do these characters have to have flawed kit (Abaddons sword) I would rather a lower profile than play Russian roulette.

Then play with a normal Chaos Lord and a Normal Captain. Kharn and Abaddon will not suffer to have lesser profiles!!!!!

Didn't really answer my question, "gets hot" gone or not?
I don't play either of them (since Abaddon stopped being an unstoppable killing machine) and I doubt my opinion on here is likely to change the rules. I was just looking at the profiles to find out about plasma weapons.

No get hot unless you super charge. Haven't you seen any plasma gun rules?

 deathstalker013 wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Ok so I haven't read all of this so apologies if previously discussed, but am I reading right that plasma weapons no longer "get hot" unless supercharged? Except Kharns (cause it's always supercharged?) Seems to suck a little why couldn't he have had the same option, ok so he's not slain but why do these characters have to have flawed kit (Abaddons sword) I would rather a lower profile than play Russian roulette.

Then play with a normal Chaos Lord and a Normal Captain. Kharn and Abaddon will not suffer to have lesser profiles!!!!!

Didn't really answer my question, "gets hot" gone or not?
I don't play either of them (since Abaddon stopped being an unstoppable killing machine) and I doubt my opinion on here is likely to change the rules. I was just looking at the profiles to find out about plasma weapons.

Yeah, Gets Hot is only when overcharging plasma weapons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And Ogryn have 3 wounds. In a world where most of the bigger things got more wounds, or tougher, including Terminators, Ogryn, who are bigger than most Orks mind you, stayed the same.

Uh-huh.

Do you EVER have anything positive to say?

Eyjio wrote:
I can make a marine list which out-shoots, outlives and outmaneuvers any of the Necron lists I've tried to make. For ****s sake, this is depressing. Maybe I'll wake up and it'll all be a nightmare...

You being unable to make good lists isn't the game's fault.