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Lord Kragan wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So now that the cat is out of the bag.....

Ugh.

Death Guard army list choices are TERRIBLE.

No Havocs, Raptors, Oblits, Warpsmiths, Vindicators, Daemon Engines apart from Defilers.

And no Chaos Terminators.

WAT.

Looks like til we see a proper faction book I'm running my Keywords as Chaos and Nurgle then. The non-inclusion of Chaos Terminators on that list is ridiculous when you consider the Death Guard were one of the most Terminator-heavy legions of the lot....

Which is why they have a specific incoming unit of terminators.

Also no bikes, no Warp Talons, no Mutilators, no Chosen

...and no Sorcerers on Palanquins for some reason.

Lord Kragan wrote:

Eyjio wrote:
I can make a marine list which out-shoots, outlives and outmaneuvers any of the Necron lists I've tried to make. For ****s sake, this is depressing. Maybe I'll wake up and it'll all be a nightmare...

You being unable to make good lists isn't the game's fault.

Feel free to try if you think I'm wrong. Marines do anything Necrons do but better. It's absolutely a fault with the game, the points are too high for necron AT - they cannot deal with big models at all. No other faction pays 75 points for 1 lascannon shot, where that's the cheapest possible option they have.

Is there any Transport that can actually house Primaris Marines? Couldn't see any looking through.

I have to say I'm pretty damn annoyed by the primaris not being able to use normal marine vehicles. Some arguments could be made for vehicles that cannot carry terminators either, but land raiders? It makes no absolute fething sense. So much for seamlessly integrating the primaris into existing armies. It will be particularly annoying for characters, some of which will have the primaris keyword and some won't. "No that lieutenant cannot go into the rhino with those tactical because he is a primaris."

Also, no chapter masters and no artificer armour for captains...

Imperial Psykers are their own army now. Lol.

tneva82 wrote:

 deathstalker013 wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Ok so I haven't read all of this so apologies if previously discussed, but am I reading right that plasma weapons no longer "get hot" unless supercharged? Except Kharns (cause it's always supercharged?) Seems to suck a little why couldn't he have had the same option, ok so he's not slain but why do these characters have to have flawed kit (Abaddons sword) I would rather a lower profile than play Russian roulette.

Then play with a normal Chaos Lord and a Normal Captain. Kharn and Abaddon will not suffer to have lesser profiles!!!!!

Didn't really answer my question, "gets hot" gone or not?
I don't play either of them (since Abaddon stopped being an unstoppable killing machine) and I doubt my opinion on here is likely to change the rules. I was just looking at the profiles to find out about plasma weapons.

No get hot unless you super charge. Haven't you seen any plasma gun rules?

Awesome, thanks. No I have only seen berserkers and Kharns weapon rules (plasma wise)

rvd1ofakind wrote:
Where are the rules for keywords like "FLY" and "JETPACK"?

Fly is in he core rule. Jetpack keyword only exist to my knowledge to stop jetpack unit from entering any transport like rhino, drop pod, et caetera.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Is there any Transport that can actually house Primaris Marines? Couldn't see any looking through.

None. Primaris will get their own motor pool.

Eyjio wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

Eyjio wrote:
I can make a marine list which out-shoots, outlives and outmaneuvers any of the Necron lists I've tried to make. For ****s sake, this is depressing. Maybe I'll wake up and it'll all be a nightmare...

You being unable to make good lists isn't the game's fault.

Feel free to try if you think I'm wrong. Marines do anything Necrons do but better. It's absolutely a fault with the game, the points are too high for necron AT - they cannot deal with big models at all. No other faction pays 75 points for 1 lascannon shot, where that's the cheapest possible option they have.

See? There's your problem. For AT you get heat rays and doomsday arks. Specially doomsday arks. D3 Shots, S10 AP -5 and D6 damage will, with a bit of command re-rolls and/or support, crush most vehicles in a single salvo.

 aracersss wrote:
imperium 1
http://imgur.com/a/KdV3Q
imperium 2
http://imgur.com/a/KkO3b
xenos 2
http://imgur.com/a/cjBWO

Really need to see the Astra Militarum Ranged Weapons list...come on Lasguns!

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So now that the cat is out of the bag.....

Ugh.

Death Guard army list choices are TERRIBLE.

No Havocs, Raptors, Oblits, Warpsmiths, Vindicators, Daemon Engines apart from Defilers.

And no Chaos Terminators.

WAT.

Looks like til we see a proper faction book I'm running my Keywords as Chaos and Nurgle then. The non-inclusion of Chaos Terminators on that list is ridiculous when you consider the Death Guard were one of the most Terminator-heavy legions of the lot....

Which is why they have a specific incoming unit of terminators.

Also no bikes, no Warp Talons, no Mutilators, no Chosen

...and no Sorcerers on Palanquins for some reason.

My new Legion, using the name 'God Damnit GW, Did You Forget Death Guard Utilised Havoc And Terminator Squads Extensively During The Heresy?' and 'Nurgle' will fix the problems.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Is there any Transport that can actually house Primaris Marines? Couldn't see any looking through.

Only when GW releases new model. They wouldn't want primaris players to be able to use old models they already had!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
imperium 1
http://imgur.com/a/KdV3Q
imperium 2
http://imgur.com/a/KkO3b
xenos 2
http://imgur.com/a/cjBWO

Really need to see the Astra Militarum Ranged Weapons list...come on Lasguns!

Hoping we can see the Custodes, Assassins and Sisters of Silence too. Didn't see them on that!

Lord Kragan wrote:
See? There's your problem. For AT you get heat rays and doomsday arks. Specially doomsday arks. D3 Shots, S10 AP -5 and D6 damage will, with a bit of command re-rolls and/or support, crush most vehicles in a single salvo.

Oh wow, you've saved me. I hadn't thought to use one of the only AT things Necrons get in my lists! I definitely didn't write a list including 2 on this very forum even.

Seriously? You think something with D3 BS 3+ shots is going to stop much when the average vehicle has at least 10 wounds? You need 2 Doomsday Arks worth of shooting (406 points) to kill a Rhino for pity's sake. They're less cost efficient than the 75 point lascannon.

Meanwhile, SM get 115 point Razorbacks with twin lascannons and 4 devastators with lascannons for 165. You know, as I said.

So, the full terrain rules are out. It's official, the game is a glorified shooting gallery now more than ever, with all terrain existing solely to be a bunker for gunlines and hinder charges while providing zero cover for melee units.

My new Legion, using the name 'God Damnit GW, Did You Forget Death Guard Utilised Havoc And Terminator Squads Extensively During The Heresy?' and 'Nurgle' will fix the problems.

Or maybe GW remembered they were getting one of the first two actual Codex's of 8th Edition.

Am I missing something, or is Nurgle the only Chaos God with their own psychic powers? Everyone else gets Dark Hereticus while Nurgle gets Contagion.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I'll take my turn to have some salt. Might of heroes is literally the Boon of Tzeentch spell, except you get all 3 options at once.

Thanks, GW. That's wicked silly.

Dude. That spell is one model. The tzeentch spell is a whole unit. Come on.

So much crying in this thread. Here's the deal guys - if everyone is crying - it's balanced. (ofc the garbage factions in 7th ed. aren't crying, that's obvious)

Does it kinda suck for Chaos now? We got Traitor Legions at the end of 7th and now it looks like we get nothing. I think I feel how those who played with the 3.5 codex felt after the 5th edition one came out... and I don't like it :(

Sure somethings look ok, like the Defiler might be useable, but it just looks really bland again. Maybe I am missing something .. please tell me I am!

Justyn wrote:

My new Legion, using the name 'God Damnit GW, Did You Forget Death Guard Utilised Havoc And Terminator Squads Extensively During The Heresy?' and 'Nurgle' will fix the problems.

Or maybe GW remembered they were getting one of the first two actual Codex's of 8th Edition.

Unless it comes out within the first week we're still looking at a really rough and bumpy month ahead of us.

 deathstalker013 wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Ok so I haven't read all of this so apologies if previously discussed, but am I reading right that plasma weapons no longer "get hot" unless supercharged? Except Kharns (cause it's always supercharged?) Seems to suck a little why couldn't he have had the same option, ok so he's not slain but why do these characters have to have flawed kit (Abaddons sword) I would rather a lower profile than play Russian roulette.

Then play with a normal Chaos Lord and a Normal Captain. Kharn and Abaddon will not suffer to have lesser profiles!!!!!

Didn't really answer my question, "gets hot" gone or not?
I don't play either of them (since Abaddon stopped being an unstoppable killing machine) and I doubt my opinion on here is likely to change the rules. I was just looking at the profiles to find out about plasma weapons.

So Kharn has a pistol with two settings - less killy and more killy. Kharn flips the switch to more killy and breaks it off.

It's Kharn man. Kill! Maim! Burn! He's not shooting no stinking pistol on less killy, yeesh.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Does it kinda suck for Chaos now? We got Traitor Legions at the end of 7th and now it looks like we get nothing. I think I feel how those who played with the 3.5 codex felt after the 5th edition one came out... and I don't like it :(

Sure somethings look ok, like the Defiler might be useable, but it just looks really bland again. Maybe I am missing something .. please tell me I am!

In same way that all races have no <FACTION> stuff yet?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
imperium 1
http://imgur.com/a/KdV3Q
imperium 2
http://imgur.com/a/KkO3b
xenos 2
http://imgur.com/a/cjBWO

May I beg for the missing page which shows ork Kommandos?

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So now that the cat is out of the bag.....

Ugh.

Death Guard army list choices are TERRIBLE.

No Havocs, Raptors, Oblits, Warpsmiths, Vindicators, Daemon Engines apart from Defilers.

And no Chaos Terminators.

WAT.

Looks like til we see a proper faction book I'm running my Keywords as Chaos and Nurgle then. The non-inclusion of Chaos Terminators on that list is ridiculous when you consider the Death Guard were one of the most Terminator-heavy legions of the lot....

Which is why they have a specific incoming unit of terminators.

Also no bikes, no Warp Talons, no Mutilators, no Chosen

...and no Sorcerers on Palanquins for some reason.

My new Legion, using the name 'God Damnit GW, Did You Forget Death Guard Utilised Havoc And Terminator Squads Extensively During The Heresy?' and 'Nurgle' will fix the problems.

Death Guard will be getting a new codex within a couple of months at the most, I'd say out of all the factions they have the least to worry about.

Justyn wrote:
Imperial Psykers are their own army now. Lol.

That happened with "Agents of the Imperium".

Vorian wrote:

In same way that all raves have no <FACTION> stuff yet?

In my hysteria I'm not following you, how do you mean 'raves' sorry?

Oh my god imperial guard leaks!!!

*falls to the floor and rolls around giggling*

NVM. Stupid exclusive models...

All armies in full.

http://mystecore.imgur.com/

 Pilau Rice wrote:

Vorian wrote:

In same way that all raves have no <FACTION> stuff yet?

In my hysteria I'm not following you, how do you mean 'raves' sorry?

Races* the joy of posting off a phone.