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 Mymearan wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So now that the cat is out of the bag.....

Ugh.

Death Guard army list choices are TERRIBLE.

No Havocs, Raptors, Oblits, Warpsmiths, Vindicators, Daemon Engines apart from Defilers.

And no Chaos Terminators.

WAT.

Looks like til we see a proper faction book I'm running my Keywords as Chaos and Nurgle then. The non-inclusion of Chaos Terminators on that list is ridiculous when you consider the Death Guard were one of the most Terminator-heavy legions of the lot....

Which is why they have a specific incoming unit of terminators.

Also no bikes, no Warp Talons, no Mutilators, no Chosen

...and no Sorcerers on Palanquins for some reason.

My new Legion, using the name 'God Damnit GW, Did You Forget Death Guard Utilised Havoc And Terminator Squads Extensively During The Heresy?' and 'Nurgle' will fix the problems.

Death Guard will be getting a new codex within a couple of months at the most, I'd say out of all the factions they have the least to worry about.

I dunno.
They might get some unique units (like unique terminators), but if they aren't getting non-Defiler Daemon Engines or Bikes in the index I doubt they will in their codex.

This literally dumpstered the local Death Guard player's army. All he has left that he can use are his Plague Marines, Rhinos & DP.

 kronk wrote:
Rhino Primaris is quite obviously an as-yet unreleased rhino meant to transport Primaris Marines.

I don't know what a Land Raider Excelsior is, but it's either a Land Raider with Stan Lee painted on the front, or an as-yet unrelease Land raider designed for Primaris Marines.

Apparently not obvious enough - those are the Warhammer world exclusive models. Nothing to do with Primaris marines at all.

 kronk wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
Is there any Transport that can actually house Primaris Marines? Couldn't see any looking through.

Only when GW releases new model. They wouldn't want primaris players to be able to use old models they already had!

http://www.imagebam.com/image/1c0271551055961

Go to above link.

Rhino Primaris is quite obviously an as-yet unreleased rhino meant to transport Primaris Marines.

I don't know what a Land Raider Excelsior is, but it's either a Land Raider with Stan Lee painted on the front, or an as-yet unrelease Land raider designed for Primaris Marines.

As obvious as that might seem, they're actually the command tank variants exclusive to Warhammer World. So no new Primaris vehicles as yet.

Hmm, not exactly sure how I am going to field my Chaos Death guard army. It contains 20 Terminators with Lightning claws, 6 Terminators with ranged weapons, Typhus and a Chaos Lord in Terminator armor all with Forgeworld Deathguard model upgrades. Technically, they could all be sorcerors or chaos lords. But that is alittle stupid.

Eyjio wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Rhino Primaris is quite obviously an as-yet unreleased rhino meant to transport Primaris Marines.

I don't know what a Land Raider Excelsior is, but it's either a Land Raider with Stan Lee painted on the front, or an as-yet unrelease Land raider designed for Primaris Marines.

Apparently not obvious enough - those are the Warhammer world exclusive models. Nothing to do with Primaris marines at all.

Well that's fething dumb...

Thanks for the correction.

I dunno.
They might get some unique units (like unique terminators), but if they aren't getting non-Defiler Daemon Engines or Bikes in the index I doubt they will in their codex.

This literally dumpstered the local Death Guard player's army. All he has left that he can use are his Plague Marines, Rhinos & DP.

Except there are no benefits for being Pure anything yet, unless I missed something. So there is no reason not to take them now. Then when he gets a Codex he will be ahead of most players.

 kronk wrote:

Well that's fething dumb...

Thanks for the correction.

Yeah, it's poor choice of names for sure. The excelsior is basically just a godhammer with a grav cannon instead of a heavy bolter anyway...

 Flood wrote:
All armies in full.

http://mystecore.imgur.com/

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

What the hell GW. Still with the "no lasguns for guard characters" crap.

Ok, am I missing something???

Tau plasma guns vs imperial plasma guns.
Neither get hot.
Tau is S6... imperium is S7. Imperium has the added flexibility of being able to overcharge it.
....Imperium plasma costs less.

Is it just me or did the Tau just get shafted?

Vorian wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:

Vorian wrote:

In same way that all raves have no <FACTION> stuff yet?

In my hysteria I'm not following you, how do you mean 'raves' sorry?

Races* the joy of posting off a phone.

I see!

My fear stems from this sentence.

If you were to include a Chaos Lord in your army, and you decide he was from the Word Bearers Legion , the <Legion> Faction keyword is changed to <Word Bearers> and his Lord of Chaos ability would then read: 'You can re-roll hit rolls of 1 made for friendly Word Bearer units within 6" of this model'

It's like it's just saying hey, you can say they are Word Bearers but you don't get rules.

Which is like everyone else at the moment isn't it? Presumably until codexes drop

 Raikoh wrote:
Ok, am I missing something???

Tau plasma guns vs imperial plasma guns.
Neither get hot.
Tau is S6... imperium is S7. Imperium has the added flexibility of being able to overcharge it.
....Imperium plasma costs less.

Is it just me or did the Tau just get gak on?

HAHA!
Where's your advanced tech now, cowpeople!

Youn wrote:

Spoiler:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So now that the cat is out of the bag.....

Ugh.

Death Guard army list choices are TERRIBLE.

No Havocs, Raptors, Oblits, Warpsmiths, Vindicators, Daemon Engines apart from Defilers.

And no Chaos Terminators.

WAT.

Looks like til we see a proper faction book I'm running my Keywords as Chaos and Nurgle then. The non-inclusion of Chaos Terminators on that list is ridiculous when you consider the Death Guard were one of the most Terminator-heavy legions of the lot....

Which is why they have a specific incoming unit of terminators.

Also no bikes, no Warp Talons, no Mutilators, no Chosen

...and no Sorcerers on Palanquins for some reason.

Hmm, not exactly sure how I am going to field my Chaos Death guard army. It contains 20 Terminators with Lightning claws, 6 Terminators with ranged weapons, Typhus and a Chaos Lord in Terminator armor all with Forgeworld Deathguard model upgrades. Technically, they could all be sorcerors or chaos lords. But that is alittle stupid.

you can use your termintors they share the chaos faction Keyword, they just font have the option now for T5

Someone want to explain this to me;

Guardian - 8pts a model
Dire Avenger - 10pts a model
Tac Marine - 13pts a model

All well and good, perhaps Tacticals overcosted a touch there.

Shuriken Catapult - free.
Boltgun - free.


Avenger Shuriken Catapult - 7 points per model!!!!!!!!

Anyone can explain to me how 6" is worked out into SEVEN points? Makes Avengers basically useless without spamming them with Asurmen for the invul.

 Raikoh wrote:
Ok, am I missing something???

Tau plasma guns vs imperial plasma guns.
Neither get hot.
Tau is S6... imperium is S7. Imperium has the added flexibility of being able to overcharge it.
....Imperium plasma costs less.

Is it just me or did the Tau just get shafted?

Think that's bad, look at what they did to poor old Ork Burnas! D3 shots instead of the D6 everyone gets, and you roll once for the whole unit.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Raikoh wrote:
Ok, am I missing something???

Tau plasma guns vs imperial plasma guns.
Neither get hot.
Tau is S6... imperium is S7. Imperium has the added flexibility of being able to overcharge it.
....Imperium plasma costs less.

Is it just me or did the Tau just get gak on?

HAHA!
Where's your advanced tech now, cowpeople!

Really? Ok. But are you at least curious why they made something that had always been notably more advanced suddenly less? Sure, the Riptide Wing was op as heck, and stormsurges were good for their points. But plasmas??? The hell??

So with the serious lack of info/options on the primaris datasheets compared to standard marines, and seemingly similar case for the DG, would it be fair to assume a Primaris specific codex and DG equivalent will be soon to follow the release?

If so im genuinely thinking about cancelling my order for the imperium 1 book

Bit dissapointed Galvanic rifles aren't -1 on all shots. The dunecrawler looks fantastic though, neutron laser is brutal and the phosphor now fires 6 shots! Although its pricey.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:


This literally dumpstered the local Death Guard player's army. All he has left that he can use are his Plague Marines, Rhinos & DP.

You use the Chaos keyword, do you get those units?
What about the traitor astartes keyword?

If the answer to either of those is yes... Your statement is absolutely not true.

If there is no benefit currently for sticking in death guard keyword, which there isn't CURRENTLY, how is his army invalidated? Because he can't use a keyword?

NVM.

Really bad at reading this morning. Moving on to looking at pretty pictures.

 avedominusnox wrote:
Can someone tell also if Plague Marines take meltaguns?

2 of them per unit. It's on the special weapons list for all chaos marines regardless of legion.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Raikoh wrote:
Ok, am I missing something???

Tau plasma guns vs imperial plasma guns.
Neither get hot.
Tau is S6... imperium is S7. Imperium has the added flexibility of being able to overcharge it.
....Imperium plasma costs less.

Is it just me or did the Tau just get gak on?

HAHA!
Where's your advanced tech now, cowpeople!

Crisis Suit: Look at us, we have jet packs and cool armor and dual-wield guns like maniacs...what is that...OH GREATER GOOD NO!
*BRAP* *BRAP* *BRAP*
Inceptors 1: Hey, Brother, do you know what that was?
Inceptors 2: *shrugs* I dunno. Looked like a bad Gundam cosplayer. Oh well. What he is now is a dead pile of blue goo.
*Rockets off*

Also, if you don't realise that with Mortarion coming back we are getting a proper Death Guard Codex, I'm sorry, but you aren't allowed to have nice things.

Personally I can't figure out the answer to the question: How does anyone deal with hordes?

I mean, we got crazy monsters and heroes and vehicles with a lot of wounds, and all of the best weapons do multiple wounds per hit. Likely, people will stack these weapons to deal with big monsters.

Yet, at the same time, blast weapons and ordnance weapons and flamers generally do much less damage against hordes than they did before. How does anyone actually kill 200 Gaunts or Orks or 100 Tzaangors with 5+ invulnerable saves (and re-rolling 1's)? What weapon will do the job?

A footslogging Ork horde will just roll over the table with no trouble and assault everything. The answer probably is along the lines of 'Get 60 Tactical Marines with nothing but bolters' but I'm pretty sure a lot of people will fall into the trap of too many vehicles/monsters, too many good AP high damage weapons.

Jacob29 wrote:
Someone want to explain this to me;

Guardian - 8pts a model
Dire Avenger - 10pts a model
Tac Marine - 13pts a model

All well and good, perhaps Tacticals overcosted a touch there.

Shuriken Catapult - free.
Boltgun - free.


Avenger Shuriken Catapult - 7 points per model!!!!!!!!

Anyone can explain to me how 6" is worked out into SEVEN points? Makes Avengers basically useless without spamming them with Asurmen for the invul.

Certainly looks like an error, I don't think I've seen any other basic weapon with a points cost. Weird

Eyjio wrote:

 Raikoh wrote:
Ok, am I missing something???

Tau plasma guns vs imperial plasma guns.
Neither get hot.
Tau is S6... imperium is S7. Imperium has the added flexibility of being able to overcharge it.
....Imperium plasma costs less.

Is it just me or did the Tau just get shafted?

Think that's bad, look at what they did to poor old Ork Burnas! D3 shots instead of the D6 everyone gets, and you roll once for the whole unit.

But they are cheap as hell, and come in huge numbers.

These plasmas cost MORE and are simply worse at the same time. I know Space Marines have to be the best at everything and gave all the best toys... but this is just getting rediculous.

Did anyone notice that they cut the price of the Assassin's in HALF? Culexus looks like it will still do its job well, as will the Vindicare. I did not look at the others yet, but I think I want to get the rest of an Execution Force.

Thebiggesthat wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:


This literally dumpstered the local Death Guard player's army. All he has left that he can use are his Plague Marines, Rhinos & DP.

You use the Chaos keyword, do you get those units?
What about the traitor astartes keyword?

If the answer to either of those is yes... Your statement is absolutely not true.

If there is no benefit currently for sticking in death guard keyword, which there isn't CURRENTLY, how is his army invalidated? Because he can't use a keyword?

Well ok, but that isn't a Death Guard army though.
He can still use the models, sure; but you try telling that to him.
(Don't, actually. It'd be weird if you somehow managed to and he'd probably shank you for your trouble).

Any screenshots popped up for Genestealer Cults rules yet? too many replies to keep track of so I might have missed it.. I saw the one article on warhammer community, just wondering if there was anything else...

Oh great, my AdMech army just got gutted for the most part. Thanks GW.
Rangers and vanguard received a huge nerf with massive leadership reduction and no longer being able to shield them with Dominus or Cawl. Not to mention that AP4 galvanic rifles now only get a whopping -1 AP on 6s to wound, while scout sniper rifles throw out mortal wounds.
Doctrina imperatives are no more, while canticles got reduced in power.
Ruststalkers and infiltrators did get a cost reduction, while having most of their neat special rules removed, which was the very point of taking them.
Servitors did get +1 wound, but got significantly more expencive. Not to mention that heavy arc rifle is now some sick joke of a weapon, wounding most of the vehicles on 5+, while torsion cannon is just a worse version of multimelta. So much for technological superiority I guess.
The only units that received a clear buff are the units that were fine in the first place - techpriest dominus, dunecrawlers and a certain unit of extremely ugly robots.
There is one exeption though. Ironstriders and dragoons are now viable. That was a good change.