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 Crimson wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:


Also, out of the three generic inquisitors sold by GW one has power armor and all of them have swords. Plus one has a combi weapon.

Yep. A combi-weapon and a power sword, which is a combination you cannot have any more.

I don't think any of them are legal anymore. Even Greyfax has a sword so I guess she'll be the exception.

 SickSix wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
My dream of a defiler heavy CSM army may come true! Woot!

There is only one true demon engine - the Defiler!

Spoiler:

I CALLED IT! DEFILERS ARE BACK BABY!

Spoiler:

YOU GET A DEFILER! EVERYONE GETS A DEFILER!

Eh... depends on the points!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well, since we have all the rules I don't think the round-ups from Facebook are going to be all that useful since they're clarifications and coy teasing based on the article of the day.

props to all your hard work and @rippy was apreciated.

SilverAlien wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
Seriously. Take the discussion about what is or is not a Death Guard unit to another thread. It's off-topic, and making it difficult to filter through the thread for leaks.

... what more leaks are people waiting for at this point?

we still waiting for two whole FW books to drop

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

You might want to look at this picture.

It lists what units can have Death Guard as their Legion key word. Notice that Chosen, Chaos Terminators and Havocs are not there. Nor are Warpsmiths, Obliterators, Mutilators, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Raptors, Bikes, Heldrakes.....

Yep. They listed the currently available models that fit the Death Guard army. Terminators are already known to be coming. Why would they give you old termies and then take them away to add new ones?

Sorry to say that if you want bikes and other crap - you're not playing Death Guard. That's not what Death Guard is. Look at Thousand Sons. I don't get everything either.

Ah. Let's see.

Chosen = Veterans. Are Veterans appropriate to Death Guard? Yes, yes they are. They're the closest we have to a bodyguard unit.

Terminators - 'Oh, you're getting new Terminators, why would they give you the current ones? Not like Death Guard Terminators have ever existed before.' Huh.

Havocs - Oh Havocs aren't Death Guard. They've NEVER released Death Guard Havocs. EVER. Not once.



Not once y'hear?!


And you must be right. After all Your Thousand Sons got nothing right? Nothing but the Thousand Son kits, right?

Wait, what's that? Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Heldrakes, Vindicators.....? Hmmm.

But wait, there's more.

There's people who love to claim such fantastical things in this thread.

'Death Guard never had Havocs in third edition.'

'It was one of those units not allowed to have a Mark of Nurgle in the 3.5 Codex.'

And remember, Chaos Terminators have never featured prominently in any sort of Death Guard army. Terminators were never one of their focuses.

You cry over what feels like a thousand pages, but maybe you could remember that DG is getting one if not THE first codex of this edition, which might change the whole thing up again?! WE know for certain, that DG Termis are coming. There will be a box for regular Plague Marines, probably with a tone of weapons to chose from, probably allowing havoc-like loadout. So please, keep your calm and wait a month or two

 Luciferian wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

The idea of a stopgap list is to bide people over until a proper release so they can use their existing army to play. Why remove units from a stopgap list? That's somewhat contrary to its purpose is it not? Especially when it has already been shown that those existing units were staples of the list in the first place. And perhaps, you once more missed the point.

It's been 3+ months - seeing those images doesn't equal Soon. It could be another three months before things are even released. Hell, we've seen things in previews and teasers that weren't even released when the release came about. Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't be the last.

Which would piss you off more though; them disallowing units that they plan to replace with new ones in a new codex, or allowing you to use your existing units and then saying you must replace them with new units out of the blue? Also, if the codex was leaked 3 months ago, then surely they are ready to release it at pretty much any time.

Disallowing units they plan to eventually replace. Because I already have to replace them. They've already told me I've got to replace my units "out of the blue" they've just not given me anything to replace them with yet. It's not like I'll be running out to buy every new unit the moment they announce it, I'll just end up proxying similar units until I can fill my new army out properly. That isn't even possible here. It's utterly moronic.

anyone notice normal chaos champions can nab a chainaxe, lil titbit

 Latro_ wrote:
anyone notice normal chaos champions can nab a chainaxe, lil titbit

I'm also pretty sure Interrogator Chaplains can take any melee weapon in the DA armory for free, including the DW knight flail that causes spillover damage!

Anyone find descriptions for the following keywords;

Jetpack
Biker
Jump

thanks

Ok list writing... still a lil hazy on the pts add up
e.g. does a chaos land raider come with all the stuff for 239pts or are we talking
239+50+50+17 for 356

edit: assuming so since a predator auto cannon has pts and is also listed on the DS

Bloodmaster wrote:

Spoiler:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

You might want to look at this picture.

It lists what units can have Death Guard as their Legion key word. Notice that Chosen, Chaos Terminators and Havocs are not there. Nor are Warpsmiths, Obliterators, Mutilators, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Raptors, Bikes, Heldrakes.....

Yep. They listed the currently available models that fit the Death Guard army. Terminators are already known to be coming. Why would they give you old termies and then take them away to add new ones?

Sorry to say that if you want bikes and other crap - you're not playing Death Guard. That's not what Death Guard is. Look at Thousand Sons. I don't get everything either.

Ah. Let's see.

Chosen = Veterans. Are Veterans appropriate to Death Guard? Yes, yes they are. They're the closest we have to a bodyguard unit.

Terminators - 'Oh, you're getting new Terminators, why would they give you the current ones? Not like Death Guard Terminators have ever existed before.' Huh.

Havocs - Oh Havocs aren't Death Guard. They've NEVER released Death Guard Havocs. EVER. Not once.



Not once y'hear?!


And you must be right. After all Your Thousand Sons got nothing right? Nothing but the Thousand Son kits, right?

Wait, what's that? Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Heldrakes, Vindicators.....? Hmmm.

But wait, there's more.

There's people who love to claim such fantastical things in this thread.

'Death Guard never had Havocs in third edition.'

'It was one of those units not allowed to have a Mark of Nurgle in the 3.5 Codex.'

And remember, Chaos Terminators have never featured prominently in any sort of Death Guard army. Terminators were never one of their focuses.

You cry over what feels like a thousand pages, but maybe you could remember that DG is getting one if not THE first codex of this edition, which might change the whole thing up again?! WE know for certain, that DG Termis are coming. There will be a box for regular Plague Marines, probably with a tone of weapons to chose from, probably allowing havoc-like loadout. So please, keep your calm and wait a month or two

I believe there are several warnings in this (admittedly lengthy) thread about quoting massive blocks just to add 5% more. You don't need to quote the entire nested conversation just to argue about the last comment. It's really easy to spoiler content on dakka to avoid that.

In any case, being the first or second codex in a new edition (especially one with unproven rules) isn't necessarily a good thing most of the time. Despite claims of playtesting, GW game designers historically do not have their finger on the pulse of what will or won't be used and the community doesn't hash out the broken good or broken bad stuff until at least a few months in. Making it a supposedly living type ruleset helps though but it still doesn't make being first out the door much of a help in the long run.

 Latro_ wrote:
Ok list writing... still a lil hazy on the pts add up
e.g. does a chaos land raider come with all the stuff for 239pts or are we talking
239+50+50+17 for 356

edit: assuming so since a predator auto cannon has pts and is also listed on the DS

Yes, you have to pay for all of the wargear. The points cost is for a naked landraider.

 Luciferian wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
anyone notice normal chaos champions can nab a chainaxe, lil titbit

I'm also pretty sure Interrogator Chaplains can take any melee weapon in the DA armory for free, including the DW knight flail that causes spillover damage!

No, they can choose from the Space marine melee weapon list on page 11.

120p for 3 Zoanthropes add 24p and you get a Hive tyrant with rending claws. Which can also cast smite. So why would i take Zoanthropes? Am i missing something here?

Neither DarkStarSabre or I have straight up assumed that these units are 100% not going to be in the new lists. Rather, we find it weird that nearly half of the Chaos Marine range has been made unaccessable to death guard armies., including units which it makes no sense for them to be unable to field. However, many of you have taken it as your divine right to silence the voices of the heathens who dare to question anything about 8th edition. So of course, we will respond in defence of ourselves, wouldn't exactly call that "crying for over a thousand pages".

SO there are an awful lot of things with fly that can go kill flyers now - pretty much all the jump pack people from Seraphim to Assauty Marines and most skimmers.

PLus flamers and such auto hit them now.

Dangerous place for flyers!

nordsturmking wrote:
120p for 3 Zoanthropes add 24p and you get a Hive tyrant with rending claws. Which can also cast smite. So why would i take Zoanthropes? Am i missing something here?

Wouldnt that be 3 smites? iv been skimming rules.

Which link gives a summation of terrain and its effects? I've seen some comments about how cover works but nothing really about difficult terrain or the lack thereof.

 Crimson wrote:

 Galas wrote:

You know... you can run them as Inquisitors without power armour...

I have a problem with that! (Regarding my own models I mean.) I'm kinda neurotic about WYSIWYG.

Besides, the armour is just one part of gutting the options. Inquisition lost a huge amount of gear. And what's the most absurd thing, you can no longer equip an inquisitor with a melee weapon and any non-pistol shooting weapon, rendering many inquisitor models, including some of the models GW currently sells, illegal!

This is the downside of temporary lists. I'm sure as codicil come out. Losses such as this will be fixed. I'm dad that my inquisitorial landraider that I've had since 4th is no longer a thing. And my crusaders/DCA have to ride in sister rhinos/immolaters.

 Latro_ wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well, since we have all the rules I don't think the round-ups from Facebook are going to be all that useful since they're clarifications and coy teasing based on the article of the day.

props to all your hard work and @rippy was apreciated.

It's been a pleasure!

Though trying to catch up ten plus pages at a time has been a nightmare. You guys really bring out the trucks when the salt flows around here.

That said, I can understand why some faction specific stuff might warrant a rather unhappy reaction (I mean Sisters can have Combi-weapons OR Power Weapons on their models, not both) but I think they really should be relegated into topics about those factions so people can find things more easily than 6+ pages of whatever argument is popular at the moment.

So is it possible that the 2 books (aside from the BRB) that come with Dark Imperium are the codexes for Primaris Marines and Death Guard?

I feel like this is the case, those books look to thick to be just for the models it includes, even if they added fluff and filler

nordsturmking wrote:
120p for 3 Zoanthropes add 24p and you get a Hive tyrant with rending claws. Which can also cast smite. So why would i take Zoanthropes? Am i missing something here?

9 wounds with a 3++

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
So is it possible that the 2 books (aside from the BRB) that come with Dark Imperium are the codexes for Primaris Marines and Death Guard?

I feel like this is the case, those books look to thick to be just for the models it includes, even if they added fluff and filler

No, they're just pamplets with the rules and points costs for the models. Get you started booklets basically.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
So is it possible that the 2 books (aside from the BRB) that come with Dark Imperium are the codexes for Primaris Marines and Death Guard?

I feel like this is the case, those books look to thick to be just for the models it includes, even if they added fluff and filler

No, they're just pamplets with the rules and points costs for the models. Get you started booklets basically.

Oh, well that's a bummer, but hey, can't complain with all these sweet releases

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
So is it possible that the 2 books (aside from the BRB) that come with Dark Imperium are the codexes for Primaris Marines and Death Guard?

I feel like this is the case, those books look to thick to be just for the models it includes, even if they added fluff and filler

They have just the rules for the models in the box, that's it. I've seen them.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:


Also, out of the three generic inquisitors sold by GW one has power armor and all of them have swords. Plus one has a combi weapon.

Yep. A combi-weapon and a power sword, which is a combination you cannot have any more.

I don't think any of them are legal anymore. Even Greyfax has a sword so I guess she'll be the exception.

You guys really need to read all the rules for the Inquisition Army List. Power Sword is on the Melee Weapon List and Combi-Weapons (not Grav) are on the Ranged Weapon List.

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
anyone notice normal chaos champions can nab a chainaxe, lil titbit

I'm also pretty sure Interrogator Chaplains can take any melee weapon in the DA armory for free, including the DW knight flail that causes spillover damage!

No, they can choose from the Space marine melee weapon list on page 11.

Damn, you're right. Now I can't even give him the Mace of Absolution he had before

 Desubot wrote:

nordsturmking wrote:
120p for 3 Zoanthropes add 24p and you get a Hive tyrant with rending claws. Which can also cast smite. So why would i take Zoanthropes? Am i missing something here?

Wouldnt that be 3 smites? iv been skimming rules.

No the whole unit can cast one power. If the unit has 4+ models it can cast 2 powers and smite does d3 extra dmg.

Hate to be the whiney CSM player, but after reading through everything, we really got shafted. So far we are the only faction that has to wait for a better book to gain back most of our armies. All marked units do nothing? Half my Death Guard is unusable? And I'm still gonna have to get a DG supplement, and then a CSM supplement, and then a Legions supplement just to play my army?

And i was pretty close to having them all painted up for the new edition. On the other hand, my White Scars and Orks got much better from what I can tell.

nordsturmking wrote:
120p for 3 Zoanthropes add 24p and you get a Hive tyrant with rending claws. Which can also cast smite. So why would i take Zoanthropes? Am i missing something here?

3 Zoantropes = 3 Warp Blast boosted Smites.
Even if the Tyrant had Warp Blast, it still can't cast Smite more than once a turn.

World eaters better get a codex, and angron