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Chopxsticks wrote:
As a new player to 40k, getting the starter box and going with Death Guard, is this like AoS where I can field a mix of "Chaos" aligned models? Like can I use my Tzaanzagor and New Death guard, and throw in some Khorne stuff?

Yes. As long as they share one Faction Keyword (in this case, Chaos).

v0iddrgn wrote:
So, am looking at this right? A Deff Dread costs 74 plus the 2 dread klaws and the 2 big Shoota for a total base price of 131? Or is it just 74?

That would be 131 you have to buy all equipment a model is being armed with even if it's the basic loadout.

 Mantle wrote:

v0iddrgn wrote:
So, am looking at this right? A Deff Dread costs 74 plus the 2 dread klaws and the 2 big Shoota for a total base price of 131? Or is it just 74?

That would be 131 you have to buy all equipment a model is being armed with even if it's the basic loadout.

Now compare it to a space Marine dread.

 Rippy wrote:

v0iddrgn wrote:
So, am looking at this right? A Deff Dread costs 74 plus the 2 dread klaws and the 2 big Shoota for a total base price of 131? Or is it just 74?

131, see how the entry says "Wargear not included" so you need to add the Wargear points to the base model.

Yeah, I saw that. Guess I just didn't like the idea of paying 80ish points each for my Deffkoptas. BTW I noticed Flash Gitz are straight-up BS 4+ now

 Twoshoes23 wrote:


Ya, I'm waiting for the Repressor battlesheet, assuming it will get one.

Same. I'm very nervous that it will lose its fire points though - seeing as Rhinos, Immolators, Chimeras and Tauroxes have all lost theirs. Only vehicles with the 'open-topped' rule seem to have this ability now. If we can't fire out of the Repressor, will we really want a T8 W12 Rhino (assuming it shares the Exorcists' stat line)?

Are any of the FW indexes leaked yet? (would that be indices?)

I looked through the OP and only saw the main ones so I thought I would ask. Gotta find out about mah orks

 MLaw wrote:
Are any of the FW indexes leaked yet? (would that be indices?)

I looked through the OP and only saw the main ones so I thought I would ask. Gotta find out about mah orks

Not that I've seen (and I guarantee not in this thread).

I doubt the FW books will leak till they hit release, unlike the GW indexes they don't have to ship them out to any stores beforehand.

Looking at the Overwatch rules in the rulebook, they occur before the actual Charge movement and follow all the rules for shooting except you have to have a 6 to hit.

Does that mean that if a unit starts a Charge beyond 8", you don't get to overwatch with a Flamer?

 flakpanzer wrote:
Looking at the Overwatch rules in the rulebook, they occur before the actual Charge movement and follow all the rules for shooting except you have to have a 6 to hit.

Does that mean that if a unit starts a Charge beyond 8", you don't get to overwatch with a Flamer?

That interpretation seems to be what everyone is going with. The text that allowed flamers to always hit regardless of range in 7th doesn't exist in 8th.

Well.....
Having pondered the rules for a long while, there are many things I like, and a handful I don't.

Not to beat the dead horse here, but I do wish there was some bonus for attacking the back half of a vhicle or Monstrous creature. Something like a +1 to hit would work fine.

I'm also bummed out that Custodes totally lost their ability to Deep Strike. They were the only army that had a deepstriking dreadnought that didn't need a drop pod. Now they are a total close combat army without the ability to shoot to any great degree.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Well.....
Having pondered the rules for a long while, there are many things I like, and a handful I don't.

Not to beat the dead horse here, but I do wish there was some bonus for attacking the back half of a vhicle or Monstrous creature. Something like a +1 to hit would work fine.

I'm also bummed out that Custodes totally lost their ability to Deep Strike. They were the only army that had a deepstriking dreadnought that didn't need a drop pod. Now they are a total close combat army without the ability to shoot to any great degree.

The entire Chaos Daemon faction lost Deep Strike as well. :(

 cuda1179 wrote:
Well.....
Having pondered the rules for a long while, there are many things I like, and a handful I don't.

Not to beat the dead horse here, but I do wish there was some bonus for attacking the back half of a vhicle or Monstrous creature. Something like a +1 to hit would work fine.

I'm also bummed out that Custodes totally lost their ability to Deep Strike. They were the only army that had a deepstriking dreadnought that didn't need a drop pod. Now they are a total close combat army without the ability to shoot to any great degree.

Use Land Raiders?

Looks like Vanguard Vets can take two chainswords, and, having two attacks, are able to split their attacks between each chainsword. As we all know, whenever you use a chainsword to attack, you can make an additional chainsword attack, thus doubling their attacks, yes?

Seems neat for a free upgrade.

Something I noticed the other day was a misprint on the Onager Dunecrawler. The characteristics on the damage chart go from 7-11+ and then 3-5. What happens at 6?

Messiah wrote:
Something I noticed the other day was a misprint on the Onager Dunecrawler. The characteristics on the damage chart go from 7-11+ and then 3-5. What happens at 6?

Slaanesh takes over and it becomes a defiler!

 Vector Strike wrote:

Messiah wrote:
Something I noticed the other day was a misprint on the Onager Dunecrawler. The characteristics on the damage chart go from 7-11+ and then 3-5. What happens at 6?

Slaanesh takes over and it becomes a defiler!

Whats the big deal with Defilers?

That art stream was interesting. On the one hand the news that they've recognised the "obviously digital" plastic look doesn't really fit with 40K, and that they're starting to do more work that focuses on "background" stuff, is all very welcome.

On the other, it's interesting to find out that they saw the old way of doing things as a weakness that undermined the IP when I've always found the opposite. Having multiple different artists all coming at the same themes with their own styles meant that while most people would have a preference for one style over another, almost everyone could find a favourite style very easily, and of course that could change over time - some projects I've worked on were fuelled by a particular artist who at other times I hadn't rated very highly but who had created a piece with just the right tone to match what was going on in my head.

They seem to be trying to "distill" all of the common elements out of the work from the various big names who've worked on the IP previously, but while that might result in a "stronger brand" I don't know that it will produce better art - I rate consistency in tone and theme far higher than consistency in style.

All that said, it seems like the rulebook from the boxed set will have some value in terms of new artwork even if I don't end up enjoying 8th as a system, so that's good to know.

Don't know if this has been sorted out yet but the wording for dedicated transports just confuses my brain for some reason haha.

It reads something like may take a dedicated transport for each other choice, does this mean you can take a dedicated transport for every other choice as in half of the force org slots you take or does it mean you can take a dedicated transport for every other choice meaning take one for every choice that is not a dedicated transport.

Looks like any kind of Outflank is gone. Is it how you see it too, guys? Or did someone retain this ability?

edit: looks like ork warbuggies and AM rough rides have it

 Vector Strike wrote:
Looks like any kind of Outflank is gone. Is it how you see it too, guys? Or did someone retain this ability?

Wolf scouts sort of retained it, they can arrive from reserve 6" from a board edge and 9" from the enemy.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Looks like any kind of Outflank is gone. Is it how you see it too, guys? Or did someone retain this ability?

Wolf Scouts and Harald Deathwolf have 'Behind Enemy Lines'

 Vector Strike wrote:
Looks like any kind of Outflank is gone. Is it how you see it too, guys? Or did someone retain this ability?

GSC has randomized outflank amoung other things.

 Mantle wrote:
Don't know if this has been sorted out yet but the wording for dedicated transports just confuses my brain for some reason haha.

It reads something like may take a dedicated transport for each other choice, does this mean you can take a dedicated transport for every other choice as in half of the force org slots you take or does it mean you can take a dedicated transport for every other choice meaning take one for every choice that is not a dedicated transport.

Second option.

Speculation: outflank and deep striking will be more prevalent through stratagems.

And yeah, I read it as you can take a dedicated transport for each other choice, but actually using them as a transport is restricted through keywords.

 Mantle wrote:
Don't know if this has been sorted out yet but the wording for dedicated transports just confuses my brain for some reason haha.

It reads something like may take a dedicated transport for each other choice, does this mean you can take a dedicated transport for every other choice as in half of the force org slots you take or does it mean you can take a dedicated transport for every other choice meaning take one for every choice that is not a dedicated transport.

My reading of it is that for every unit you take in your army that fills a force org slot that is not also a Transport, you can take 1 dedicated transport. IE, if you have 1 Captain, 3 tactical squads, 1 assault squad, and 1 devastator squad, you can take up to 6 transports with your army, provided you have the points to do so.

you can take a dedicated transport for every other choice meaning take one for every choice that is not a dedicated transport.

Finally, your Leman Russ battle tanks can purchase the dedicated transport they always wanted.

Justyn wrote:

you can take a dedicated transport for every other choice meaning take one for every choice that is not a dedicated transport.

Finally, your Leman Russ battle tanks can purchase the dedicated transport they always wanted.

Seems good to me:

Looking at the Overwatch rules in the rulebook, they occur before the actual Charge movement and follow all the rules for shooting except you have to have a 6 to hit.

Does that mean that if a unit starts a Charge beyond 8", you don't get to overwatch with a Flamer?

It also currently means if you charge with a Character while you have a unit closer, they don't get to overwatch unless they have sniper rifles. Good Day Sir, I said GOOD DAY SIR!

Justyn wrote:

Looking at the Overwatch rules in the rulebook, they occur before the actual Charge movement and follow all the rules for shooting except you have to have a 6 to hit.

Does that mean that if a unit starts a Charge beyond 8", you don't get to overwatch with a Flamer?

It also currently means if you charge with a Character while you have a unit closer, they don't get to overwatch unless they have sniper rifles. Good Day Sir, I said GOOD DAY SIR!

That just seems goofy to me.