40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**Crimson**

kodos wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
That turret is too busy and the hull could be better.

like this (from reddit)

Spoiler:

I like this. Looks sleek and functional.

I really hope there is a less overgunned version of this tank which will look something like this.
As I said before, it's not just the looks. Primaris marines (super annoyingly and super transparently as a selling gimmick) cannot use normal marine transports. But with all these weapons I'd expect this tank to be at least 300 points. That's really not a feasible general use transport option.

**MLaw**

I'm just waiting for Imperial Jetbikes to come back and someone flip out about how there's no precedence for such a thing and how absurd it is.. lulz
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Jetbike

I mean other than the FW, 30k, or Sammael examples

**paqman**

EnTyme wrote:
DaemonJellybaby wrote:

Frankly, it needs less missile pods.
That's saying something, coming from a Tau player.
The turret, cupola and the co-axial systems are really cool, but there are too many random missile pods that look forced on.

It would appear the Imperium is now comparing design notes with Cobra.

HO-LY-gak! I missed one day of posts and this .... thing comes up. W....T....F ... is... that!?

LOL, looks like a garbage bin on snow sleds!

Though I have to say that the photoshoped version without the turret is really nice looking.

**aka_mythos**

MLaw wrote:
I'm just waiting for Imperial Jetbikes to come back and someone flip out about how there's no precedence for such a thing and how absurd it is.. lulz
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Jetbike

I mean other than the FW, 30k, or Sammael examples

You just know jetbikes will come back one day... GW needs a constant stream of Space Marine releases so it has to take the distinguishing concepts of every other army and create a Space Marine translation.

**Bonegrinder**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Bonegrinder wrote:
CragHack wrote:
What's the price? I would buy it just for the small rulebook, fancy datacards, objective markers ant the range finder.

Rumoured price of £250, but that sounds high, even for good ol' Games Workshop.

I'd believe it if that was the price in USD, but not in GBP. That seems far too high.

Pounds or Dollars, it's a lot more than I would like to pay for it. Having said that, It's a beautiful collectors set.

**ClockworkZion**

paqman wrote:
HO-LY-gak! I missed one day of posts and this .... thing comes up. W....T....F ... is... that!?

The return of an lost era when a crusade spanned the stars and humanity was in ascension.

**godardc**

I like this tank, it is beautiful (especially without the marine out of the turret).
However, it doesn't have the 40k look. Way too modern,like something we could have. Sci-fi but not grimdark.

**unmercifulconker**

ClockworkZion wrote:
LTs are seperate units like Ancients, but they're also characters, something I don't recall if it applies to Ancients.

Ministorum seems to be a separate faction from Sisters (makes sense as they work with both Sisters and the Guard), but that really doesn't mean much other than usage of keywords to prevent rules from bleeding from one sub-faction to the other.

The FOC is gone right so the LT's won't take up HQ slots or anything anymore?

**ClockworkZion**

aka_mythos wrote:
MLaw wrote:
I'm just waiting for Imperial Jetbikes to come back and someone flip out about how there's no precedence for such a thing and how absurd it is.. lulz
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Jetbike

I mean other than the FW, 30k, or Sammael examples

You just know jetbikes will come back one day... GW needs a constant stream of Space Marine releases so it has to take the distinguishing concepts of every other army and create a Space Marine translation.

Yes, because bringing back Crusade era tech is stealing new ideas from other armies.

**MLaw**

godardc wrote:
I like this tank, it is beautiful (especially without the marine out of the turret).
However, it doesn't have the 40k look. Way too modern,like something we could have. Sci-fi but not grimdark.

I felt the same way about rhinos honestly.. and land speeders.. so mine are covered in bits from the CoD sprues and books and scrolls and gak

EDIT: and just wait for the FW door kits.. slap those on and bam.. instant grimdark

**ClockworkZion**

unmercifulconker wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
LTs are seperate units like Ancients, but they're also characters, something I don't recall if it applies to Ancients.

Ministorum seems to be a separate faction from Sisters (makes sense as they work with both Sisters and the Guard), but that really doesn't mean much other than usage of keywords to prevent rules from bleeding from one sub-faction to the other.

The FOC is gone right so the LT's won't take up HQ slots or anything anymore?

Where the heck did you get that idea? We have SEVERAL FoCs to choose from to build armies with, and everything has a slot.

**kryczek**

I'm definitely getting one now I've seen it in BA colours. It looks well better.

**Future War Cultist**

It looks good in a solid colour. And I have to admit, I do like how it's moving away from sponsons and to a more modern set up. If this means that marines are getting 'modern spec' hover tanks whilst the IG stick with 'old spec' tracked/wheeled vehicles then I'm ok with that.

Is there a place were one can try photoshopping it? I would love to try out a few colours sechemes on it. Or if a particularly charitable dakkanaught would do it for me I'd be really grateful.

**endlesswaltz123**

MLaw wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
MLaw wrote:
I didn't look specifically at the missile pods but they must be absolute pants for them to be handed out on everything like candy..

To me it screams Rhino outline way more than it does Land Raider.. and I think it's a preview of what the new Rhino might also have in store as far as bulk... maybe..

The armaments.. are just insane. The number of weapons are what I would expect on a superheavy or a FW vehicle that's insane.. or maybe an ork vehicle.. but here we have it on a medium/large tank body. (mind you I'm not caught up on current stuff so my mindset is more along the lines of 4th/5th)

I'm seeing what looks like 2 missile pods above the doors, 2 on the turrets, one on the rear, possibly another one on the turret (the weird little 3 missile thing), a TL lascannon, I think another lascannon, a heavy stubber or bolter coaxial, and.. a punisher gatling cannon on a pintel? That can't be right.. Maybe it's an assault cannon..

That's a LOT of muscle.

I disagree, that is a land raider with grav.

Anyway, I don't like it, for a few reasons. I don't like the grav plates, I don't like them on a lot of things but they stick out too far for me.

Secondly, I don't like the departure from the fluff. I used to like Eldar having the grav tanks, I didn't like but accepted Tau having grav tanks as well but this is too far for me.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grav-tank#Imperial

Someone posted the original grav tank already.. which this appears to be a further mark of.. BUT.. FW has had Imperial Grav Tanks for a while and moreover, Dark Angels have had the Darkshroud.. which is an upscaled Land Speeder with a bunch of guns.. IE.. a grav tank. Your angst seems unfounded IMO.
EDIT: Before someone chimes in.. yes I know the original grav tank was a deodorant stick with bits.. but it had stats in the official list.

Some of us like the backwards, degraded Imperium that could no longer produce such technology, so just churned out lemun russ after lemun russ that was brutal with a complete lack of elegance but was such a hard nosed bastard it could run on nearly any fuel.

**Lord Kragan**

I "love" it. Overall I really like the design.

But those missiles have to go. I'm not having any of that gak. The rest is fairly good in my opinion.

**endlesswaltz123**

Another observation is it's certainly a transport... I wonder if something bigger is on its way as the more main battle tank?

**VictorVonTzeentch**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Another observation is it's certainly a transport... I wonder if something bigger is on its way as the more main battle tank?

I'd imagine just another version of this tank, with out the transport capacity and with a bigger turret.

**GoatboyBeta**

Ooh that Repulsor looks just like the sci-fi tanks I would doodle as a kid, all straight lines and covered in guns. I love it

Assuming this is the Primaris Razorback equivalent, will we see more variations along the lines of the Rhino chassis? With there squads capped at five(so far) they probably wouldn't need a version with a larger transport capacity. But a Predator equivalent with side sponsons and heavier turret would be cool. Or possibly something in the same style as the Sicaran Venator with the main gun built into the body?

**ClockworkZion**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
MLaw wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
MLaw wrote:
I didn't look specifically at the missile pods but they must be absolute pants for them to be handed out on everything like candy..

To me it screams Rhino outline way more than it does Land Raider.. and I think it's a preview of what the new Rhino might also have in store as far as bulk... maybe..

The armaments.. are just insane. The number of weapons are what I would expect on a superheavy or a FW vehicle that's insane.. or maybe an ork vehicle.. but here we have it on a medium/large tank body. (mind you I'm not caught up on current stuff so my mindset is more along the lines of 4th/5th)

I'm seeing what looks like 2 missile pods above the doors, 2 on the turrets, one on the rear, possibly another one on the turret (the weird little 3 missile thing), a TL lascannon, I think another lascannon, a heavy stubber or bolter coaxial, and.. a punisher gatling cannon on a pintel? That can't be right.. Maybe it's an assault cannon..

That's a LOT of muscle.

I disagree, that is a land raider with grav.

Anyway, I don't like it, for a few reasons. I don't like the grav plates, I don't like them on a lot of things but they stick out too far for me.

Secondly, I don't like the departure from the fluff. I used to like Eldar having the grav tanks, I didn't like but accepted Tau having grav tanks as well but this is too far for me.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grav-tank#Imperial

Someone posted the original grav tank already.. which this appears to be a further mark of.. BUT.. FW has had Imperial Grav Tanks for a while and moreover, Dark Angels have had the Darkshroud.. which is an upscaled Land Speeder with a bunch of guns.. IE.. a grav tank. Your angst seems unfounded IMO.
EDIT: Before someone chimes in.. yes I know the original grav tank was a deodorant stick with bits.. but it had stats in the official list.

Some of us like the backwards, degraded Imperium that could no longer produce such technology, so just churned out lemun russ after lemun russ that was brutal with a complete lack of elegance but was such a hard nosed bastard it could run on nearly any fuel.

I'm just hoping this all leads to the Imperium being screwed over even harder than before while Chaos gets all the new toys for themselves (likely by Cawl pulling a Horus later on).

**Uriels_Flame**

Please provide pics for Imperial Fist colors!

**Ghaz**

Lord Kragan wrote:
I "love" it. Overall I really like the design.

But those missiles have to go. I'm not having any of that gak. The rest is fairly good in my opinion.

I like the missile launchers, especially if they're explained as a 'point defense system' to protect the tank from enemy infantry.

**Daedalus81**

ClockworkZion wrote:

Some of us like the backwards, degraded Imperium that could no longer produce such technology, so just churned out lemun russ after lemun russ that was brutal with a complete lack of elegance but was such a hard nosed bastard it could run on nearly any fuel.

I'm just hoping this all leads to the Imperium being screwed over even harder than before while Chaos gets all the new toys for themselves (likely by Cawl pulling a Horus later on).

**Charax**

Regardless of my feelings towards the aesthetics of the tank itself, I'm amazed by the skill of the people doing the photomanips, they're incredible!

**MasterSlowPoke**

Daedalus81 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

Some of us like the backwards, degraded Imperium that could no longer produce such technology, so just churned out lemun russ after lemun russ that was brutal with a complete lack of elegance but was such a hard nosed bastard it could run on nearly any fuel.

I'm just hoping this all leads to the Imperium being screwed over even harder than before while Chaos gets all the new toys for themselves (likely by Cawl pulling a Horus later on).

I feel like Cypher has a role to play. Especially since he doesn't appear to be in the Imperium books? Or did I miss him?

**Ghaz**

Daedalus81 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

Some of us like the backwards, degraded Imperium that could no longer produce such technology, so just churned out lemun russ after lemun russ that was brutal with a complete lack of elegance but was such a hard nosed bastard it could run on nearly any fuel.

I'm just hoping this all leads to the Imperium being screwed over even harder than before while Chaos gets all the new toys for themselves (likely by Cawl pulling a Horus later on).

I feel like Cypher has a role to play. Especially since he doesn't appear to be in the Imperium books? Or did I miss him?

Page 66 of Imperium II.

**unmercifulconker**

ClockworkZion wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
LTs are seperate units like Ancients, but they're also characters, something I don't recall if it applies to Ancients.

Ministorum seems to be a separate faction from Sisters (makes sense as they work with both Sisters and the Guard), but that really doesn't mean much other than usage of keywords to prevent rules from bleeding from one sub-faction to the other.

The FOC is gone right so the LT's won't take up HQ slots or anything anymore?

Where the heck did you get that idea? We have SEVERAL FoCs to choose from to build armies with, and everything has a slot.

I have no idea.

**soulforged**

At what time will the pre order be available? For the limited book, it will be available through all the stores/countries or just in the main one?

**ClockworkZion**

Daedalus81 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

I'm just hoping this all leads to the Imperium being screwed over even harder than before while Chaos gets all the new toys for themselves (likely by Cawl pulling a Horus later on).

I feel like Cypher has a role to play. Especially since he doesn't appear to be in the Imperium books? Or did I miss him?

He,s in the Chaos book along with the Fallen. Probably to represent his offical "Renegade" status. He has both the Imperium and Chaos Keywords along with the Fallen keyword (DA reroll melee hits against Fallen units) but no ATSKNF or DTTFE.

If I recall my lore correctly there was word that he might have the Emperor's sword and was on his way to Terra to deliver it but seeing as Guilliman has the Burning Blade and oreviously any chump Marine with access to relics could have it, I'm going to guess that he has the Lion's personal sword instead.

And with how mysterious Cypher is...well a lot of things are possible. Pushing Cawl over to Chaos seems too overt for the character though.

**unmercifulconker**

I'm not even holding hopes for getting the limited edition but I am desperate for that art book that comes with it. Bit disappointed if it only comes with the limited edition.

I guess it will go up for pre-order with UK's lot? Unless there is a certain number for each region or something.

**Tannhauser42**

soulforged wrote:
At what time will the pre order be available? For the limited book, it will be available through all the stores/countries or just in the main one?

I don't know the exact start time, but given that they will only have 2000 of them, I expect the total time of availability to about a minute and a half.