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 Crimson wrote:
Half of the replies in FB regarding this focus are demands for plastic sisters while the rest are Monty Python references.

Nobody expects the Adeptus Soroitas! Their chief weapon is faith...faith and righteousness...righteousness and faith.... Their two weapons are faith and righteousness...and justice.... Their *three* weapons are faith, and righteousness, and justice...and fanatical devotion to the God Emperor.... Their *four*...no... *Amongst* their weapons.... Amongst their weaponry...are such elements as faith, righteousness.... I'll come in again.

 Melissia wrote:
Both of which really shouldn't surprise anyone.

Yeah, the SoB situation is completely absurd. There are bloody plastic Genestealer Cults, Custodes and Sisters of Silence before SoB.

NOBODY expects the Adeptus Sorortitas! Amongst their weaponry are such diverse elements as: faith, righteousness, justice, fanatical devotion to the God Emperor, and nice bob haircuts - Oh damn!

Hey its ok... my wife built a gorgeous Sisters army... all it took was giving a French, third party model company $500 for dangerously fragile resin...

*sigh*

I can't say it - you'll have to say it.

INNER EMBER: What?

You'll have to say the bit about 'Our chief weapons are ...'

INNER EMBER: : I couldn't do that...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Plus it seems they got stuff wrong too, for example Chaos Daemon Daemon Prince *can't* hide like pansies because they have 10 wounds (you can only hide if you have less than 10).

CSM prince has 8 doesn't he?

 ShaneTB wrote:
you can add more with the banners.

No, you add a 50% chance for more AoFs with banners, for a fairly expensive cost of 40 points per banner bearer. Said banner bearer cannot give AoFs from within transports, and only apply to squads within 6", and only as long as the imagifier lives.

It's much, MUCH more limited than you're thinking.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Another alternate to the Gravraider. This one goes for a "more is more" approach.

Spoiler:

That HAS to be joke right? Compared to that first is downright sensible and beautifull.

How same company can produce death guard and that...thing...

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Half of the replies in FB regarding this focus are demands for plastic sisters while the rest are Monty Python references.

Nobody expects the Adeptus Soroitas! Their chief weapon is faith...faith and righteousness...righteousness and faith.... Their two weapons are faith and righteousness...and justice.... Their *three* weapons are faith, and righteousness, and justice...and fanatical devotion to the God Emperor.... Their *four*...no... *Amongst* their weapons.... Amongst their weaponry...are such elements as faith, righteousness.... I'll come in again.

I'm half sure you're joking...

Pretty sure that last pic is just a clever photoshop.

ERJAK wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Plus it seems they got stuff wrong too, for example Chaos Daemon Daemon Prince *can't* hide like pansies because they have 10 wounds (you can only hide if you have less than 10).

CSM prince has 8 doesn't he?

Correct. The Chaos Daemon version has 10, because.

 Melissia wrote:

 ShaneTB wrote:
you can add more with the banners.

No, you add a 50% chance for more AoFs with banners, for a fairly expensive cost of 40 points per banner bearer. Said banner bearer cannot give AoFs from within transports, and only apply to squads within 6", and only as long as the imagifier lives.

It's much, MUCH more limited than you're thinking.

Which is good because they are OBSCENELY powerful. SoB are the fastest army in the game now(admittedly that speed is more 'canonball' than 'jetbike' but still. Double shooting on exorcists is fantastic, and Celestine is as bonkers as ever.

We're in a good place. If we had goddam plastic models we'd be fine for another 20+ years.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Shooting pistols in combat is just ok in practice, combat is usually over before they can be used.

Then why even have it as a rule?

Because that is an over statement.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Deathguard one of the weaker armies for now
Crusader weakest LR variant. Godhammer probably best of three stock variants.
Servitors are terrible. Fenrisian wolves are bad.
Vindicator sucks
Executioner plasma is bad.
Riptides not so good. Don't usually take more than one.
Tervigon is just ok.
Zoanthropes meh.
T-fex not very good
Ynnari way better than straight Craftworld
Archons not that good
Tesserach Vault is too expensive
Possessed are meh.
Mutilators are not that good.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't their job to play-test all of this? Granted, the company making the game is always well within their rights to ignore whatever they want from outside sources, but if Reese et al. were play-testing these games then why is the above list a problem?

1) These are opinions.
2) A "meh" or "ok" doesn't equal bad.
3) Did you ignore the massive list of other things that were good?

The tank commander has a order that let's a tank reroll 1's to hit. It makes fireing the exucutioner at max power much better. Also low power mode is fine for most stuff. You only need max power when shooting multiwound stuff or if you REALLY need the +2 to wound vs T4. Versus normal meq the +3 to wound and -4 will much them.

Plasma is amazing if you can give the unit reroll 1's and every faction gets a few ways to do it.

 Tamereth wrote:
So the guys you play tested the game, in an effort to make the game balanced have just given a list of units which are really strong and those that are barely worth taking?

Well job done guys. High fives all round.

Maybe their role wasn't as big as many imagine? Indeed didn't they say to that effeat

tneva82 wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
So the guys you play tested the game, in an effort to make the game balanced have just given a list of units which are really strong and those that are barely worth taking?

Well job done guys. High fives all round.

Maybe their role wasn't as big as many imagine? Indeed didn't they say to that effeat

Some of these units are being looked at in a vaccume when in fact when combined with abilities or psychic powered synergize a lot more. Like I pointed out about the "plasma is bad" comment. It seems like every army with plasma have a cess to atlas one if not more sources of reroll 1's to hit.

tneva82 wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
So the guys you play tested the game, in an effort to make the game balanced have just given a list of units which are really strong and those that are barely worth taking?

Well job done guys. High fives all round.

Maybe their role wasn't as big as many imagine? Indeed didn't they say to that effeat

From the look of it they got the whole thing down to 'has at least niche usefulness' which is the best you can hope for.

I mean look at warmahordes. That game is so balanced focused they use proxy bases and laser pointers and they still had a faction that was useless when mk3 came out.

ERJAK wrote:
Which is good because they are OBSCENELY powerful

Not really. You can sometimes get an additional phase of shooting or movement for a single squad-- squads which, I should remind you, have nothing heavier than a meltaguns or multi-meltas (for retributors), they have no lascannons or assault cannons or plasma cannons (or even plasma guns!) or what have you. By default, it doesn't even happen 100% of the time; it's 5/6ths of the time. In order to use the movement phase bit, the unit has to move outside of the Imagifier's range, thus precluding it from receiving any more benefit from the imagifier's effects. The other powers are pretty sad; you can regain a single lost model (an effect that hospitallers do for cheaper), or gain an additional assault phase... which also means the imagifier is probably stuck in assault, too.

They would be "obscenely powerful" on another army, if imagifiers were more reliable or cheaper. On Sisters, they're an afterthought at best. In fact, IMO you're honestly better off ignoring Acts of Faith, using them basically as a nice bonus instead of building your army around them, because of how expensive and ineffectual imagifiers are.

edit: (you know, this should probably be relegated to the Sisters of Battle Tactica thread at this point)

 Melissia wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Which is good because they are OBSCENELY powerful

Not really. You can sometimes get an additional phase of shooting or movement for a single squad-- squads which, I should remind you, have nothing heavier than a meltaguns or multi-meltas (for retributors), they have no lascannons or assault cannons or plasma cannons (or even plasma guns!) or what have you. By default, it doesn't even happen 100% of the time; it's 5/6ths of the time. In order to use the movement phase bit, the unit has to move outside of the Imagifier's range, thus precluding it from receiving any more benefit from the imagifier's effects. The other powers are pretty sad; you can regain a single lost model (an effect that hospitallers do for cheaper), or gain an additional assault phase... which also means the imagifier is probably stuck in assault, too.

They would be "obscenely powerful" on another army, if imagifiers were more reliable or cheaper. On Sisters, they're an afterthought at best. In fact, IMO you're honestly better off ignoring Acts of Faith, using them basically as a nice bonus instead of building your army around them, because of how expensive and ineffectual imagifiers are.

You can naysay however much you want broham but I've already crushed an all knights list and a bike heavy Eldar list into the dirt. AoF are brilliant, the army is well designed, if a bit complex and it's super fun to play.

And I'm gonna go ahead and say this, if you ignore Acts of Faith you deserve to lose every game you play in 8th and you WILL lose every game you play in 8th.

Wait, you call this super-complex? There's nothing complex about it. You roll a d6 at the start of your turn. If you get a 2+, you nominate one unit with the Acts of Faith special rule to perform an Act of Faith. If you have Celestine, you activate her AoF aura; one unit within 6" activates an AoF. If you have Imagifiers that aren't in transports, you roll d6, on 4+ you activate their aura; one unit within 6" activates an AoF. Then your turn continues as normal.

It's actually the simplest, IMO, Act of Faith system yet. It just scales poorly, with 40 point imagifiers meaning it's cheaper to buy a battle sister squad with meltaguns than to try to rely on an imagifier to boost your firepower.

[MOD EDIT - RULE 1 & RULE 2 - Alpharius]

Girls girls, you all are beautifull. Please, go to discuss SoB tactics to the SoB tactica thread.

Anyone notice plastic daemon princes are not in the chaos space marines or chaos daemons section of the GW store now? still on AoS bit...

interesting.

It's nothing to worry about. They're reorganizing the store atm and have made some mistakes. For a few days, Phoenix Lord Asurmen was listed amongst Sisters of Battle.

 Crimson wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Both of which really shouldn't surprise anyone.

Yeah, the SoB situation is completely absurd. There are bloody plastic Genestealer Cults, Custodes and Sisters of Silence before SoB.

Which should tell you exactly how financially successful sisters were, they were still selling the initial production run a decade later

Do you think there will be a new Nurgle Dreadnought soon? I think I will expand both armies with a Dreadnought and since they have already announced one for the Space Marines maybe there will be also a new one for Nurgle...

changemod wrote:


Indeed, it's one thing if it starts having problems out in the wild, but if the playtesting team has a laundry list of complaints then something has gone wildly wrong somewhere.

Of course the balance is better overall, this is a ground up overhaul of the system. If it wasn't roughly as balanced as 3rd edition it'd be pretty embarrassing.

Oh please. Why don't you ask them about the overall state of the game?

It's not like GW said anything about tweaking things periodically. That sort of implies they know they can't get it all perfect in one shot, but please, continue to nitpick.

ERJAK wrote:


Double shooting on exorcists is fantastic

As much as I'd love this, vehicles don't have AoF so they can't benefit from the extra shooting. So no double firing Exorcists or 3 assault Penitents.

EDIT CAUSE I'M KINDA WRONG: Exorcists maybe because of Celestine's rule specifies Adepta Sororitas units and not units with AoF...but that requires you having her camping by the tank.

For the life of me I can't understand the thinking that sisters if made reasonable priced, plastic, with faces that don't look like The terminator won't sell. Your telling me you can't sell religious fanatical pyro space nuns but you can sell weeabo anime suits or Even Bigger Marines. Really??

As for the rules I think they are much improved, funny how I was at the edge of my seat for that faction focus but the leaks dimmed that fire. For now they are a admittedly much improved supporting force to my astra militarum force. Also I'm not forced to run strictly multimelta immolators anymore.

Oh and you can't AOF vehicles, sorry

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
For the life of me I can't understand the thinking that sisters if made reasonable priced, plastic, with faces that don't look like The terminator won't sell. Your telling me you can't sell religious fanatical pyro space nuns but you can sell weeabo anime suits or Even Bigger Marines. Really??

As for the rules I think they are much improved, funny how I was at the edge of my seat for that faction focus but the leaks dimmed that fire. For now they are a admittedly much improved supporting force to my astra militarum force. Also I'm not forced to run strictly multimelta immolators anymore.

Oh and you can't AOF vehicles, sorry

With Celestine and Imagifiers, they only specify Adepta Sororitas and Order keywords, so they should be able to get those AoF, but not the free one you get per turn since that requires you to have the AoF skill. At least that's how I'm interpreting it. I could be wrong.

Have GW ever said why they haven't made new models for Sisters yet?

Because they are always saying how much demand they receive and how surprisingly popular they are.

Why wouldn't you just make them?

Hell in this very article they were bigging Sisters up to the high heavens!

 dan2026 wrote:
Have GW ever said why they haven't made new models for Sisters yet?

No one wants them, not enough recourse for a complete overhaul and they have problems with their haircut made in plastic