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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Razorbacks with the Lascannon and Twin Plasmagun can blow themselves up as well.

The real question is, when you overheat a plasma weapon on a transport, do they still Explode?

I'd say no, because they aren't "reduced to 0 wounds." No wounds are even dealt.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Razorbacks with the Lascannon and Twin Plasmagun can blow themselves up as well.

The real question is, when you overheat a plasma weapon on a transport, do they still Explode?

If they roll the 6, they do.

Should be starting in about ten minutes...

skarsol wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Razorbacks with the Lascannon and Twin Plasmagun can blow themselves up as well.

The real question is, when you overheat a plasma weapon on a transport, do they still Explode?

I'd say no, because they aren't "reduced to 0 wounds." No wounds are even dealt.

Reduce to zero wounds = slain.

Is it me or is Astra militarum one of the most awesome armies this edition not just the fact imperial soup gives you so many options or the scions are borderline overpowered But I can take my DKOK add some spawn and play a chaos renegade and heretic list or add some genesteakers and a primus and play a genestealer list. They seem to be the most flexible army this edition.

SilverAlien wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Huh? Dont transports have multiple wounds?

Yeah, I assume they are either unaware of the new vehicle stats or just being hyperbolic. Unless they got a hold of the dreadclaw rules early and those are made of tissue paper or something.

Or you could assume I'd actually read the rules and applied them as written

CSM Transports can have Combi-weapons
Combi-Plasmas are Combiweapons
Combi-Plasmas can Overheat
When CSM Combi-Plasmas overheat, "the model is slain"
No CSM Transport rules override this
The Transport rules for embarked models kick in when the transport is "destroyed"
Assuming Slain = Destroyed, an overheat will both remove the transport and potentially kill one of the embarked models
Also, as the transport will NOT be "reduced to 0 wounds" the transport does not explode

So an unlucky CSM transport gunner has the potential to implode his own transport and one of his friends, leaving enemies completely unharmed and the unit sitting in the middle of nowhere wondering where their metal box went.

But thanks for assuming I'm either illiterate or stupid, that's always a fun thing to read

Fragile wrote:

skarsol wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Razorbacks with the Lascannon and Twin Plasmagun can blow themselves up as well.

The real question is, when you overheat a plasma weapon on a transport, do they still Explode?

I'd say no, because they aren't "reduced to 0 wounds." No wounds are even dealt.

Reduce to zero wounds = slain.

Ah, you're more likely correct. I had the old style wording of "model is removed" in my head for some reason. That will teach me to look up the rule before commenting. :(

 judgedoug wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Megaknob wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Another alternate to the Gravraider. This one goes for a "more is more" approach.

Spoiler:

That HAS to be joke right? Compared to that first is downright sensible and beautifull.

How same company can produce death guard and that...thing...

Is this real?

Yep. Totally 100% legit.

You guys are tremendously bad at spotting gakky photoshopping.

What do you mean "you guys..."

You are tremendously bad at spotting sarcasm


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Charax wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Huh? Dont transports have multiple wounds?

Yeah, I assume they are either unaware of the new vehicle stats or just being hyperbolic. Unless they got a hold of the dreadclaw rules early and those are made of tissue paper or something.

Or you could assume I'd actually read the rules and applied them as written

CSM Transports can have Combi-weapons
Combi-Plasmas are Combiweapons
Combi-Plasmas can Overheat
When CSM Combi-Plasmas overheat, "the model is slain"
No CSM Transport rules override this
The Transport rules for embarked models kick in when the transport is "destroyed"
Assuming Slain = Destroyed, an overheat will both remove the transport and potentially kill one of the embarked models
Also, as the transport will NOT be "reduced to 0 wounds" the transport does not explode

So an unlucky CSM transport gunner has the potential to implode his own transport and one of his friends, leaving enemies completely unharmed and the unit sitting in the middle of nowhere wondering where their metal box went.

But thanks for assuming I'm either illiterate or stupid, that's always a fun thing to read

So plasma weapons are not worth taking on multi wound units correct?

Just don't overcharge them, they will be fine. The Greater Brass Scorpion is beastly! https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/05/forge-world-preview-indexes/

 Asmodai wrote:

skarsol wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Wait - vehicles don't ignore the 'gets hot' part of plasma in 8th edition?

They do not. Plasma weapons that are intended to go on vehicles all do 1 mortal wound on a to hit of 1 (as far as I've seen). EG: Helbrute Plasma Cannon does 1 mortal wound on a 1.

The Leman Russ Demolisher's Plasma Cannon sponsons flat out destroy the tank if any of the to hit rolls are ones.

Not entirely true.

Yep, so hey dont overcharge your weapons on your expensive units!! plasma even not overcharged is still pretty good for its points. "Hey this incredibly dangerous thing that we now have a choice to do can have bad repercussions. We better factor that into our game plan". I find it hard to be upset about something when you have complete control over the chance of it happening or not.

Also holy gak those laser destroyers!!! Might actually be worth considering compared to a quad lascannon depending on points.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Just don't overcharge them, they will be fine. The Greater Brass Scorpion is beastly! https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/05/forge-world-preview-indexes/

I'm surprised the Scorpion has the same wounds as the Spartan Relic Tank, which is far cheaper (power level wise) and has a 2+ save.

Huh.... does anyone have an inkling of an idea who they will interview on the 15th?? It says "redacted" so maybe something traitor related?

 Leth wrote:
Yep, so hey dont overcharge your weapons on your expensive units!! plasma even not overcharged is still pretty good for its points. "Hey this incredibly dangerous thing that we now have a choice to do can have bad repercussions. We better factor that into our game plan". I find it hard to be upset about something when you have complete control over the chance of it happening or not.

Also holy gak those laser destroyers!!! Might actually be worth considering compared to a quad lascannon depending on points.

Though it's rules don't make sense to me.

You have to successfully inflict damage to roll the 2D6... So as rules like nurgles whatever is taken once the damage is caused, if that fails you then roll the 2D6 for damage. What happens if you first rolled a 6 on the 1D6, then do you roll an additional D6 (and another if you roll another 6), or do you discard the first 6 damage and then roll the 2D6?

Obviously it's meant to add a further dice role for damage (and another if you roll a 6), but it's wording doesn't make sense and can be argued the other way.

 Shandara wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Just don't overcharge them, they will be fine. The Greater Brass Scorpion is beastly! https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/05/forge-world-preview-indexes/

I'm surprised the Scorpion has the same wounds as the Spartan Relic Tank, which is far cheaper (power level wise) and has a 2+ save.

The Scorpion also has a 5++ and regenerates a wound every turn.

Charax wrote:

Spoiler:

SilverAlien wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Huh? Dont transports have multiple wounds?

Yeah, I assume they are either unaware of the new vehicle stats or just being hyperbolic. Unless they got a hold of the dreadclaw rules early and those are made of tissue paper or something.

Or you could assume I'd actually read the rules and applied them as written

CSM Transports can have Combi-weapons
Combi-Plasmas are Combiweapons
Combi-Plasmas can Overheat
When CSM Combi-Plasmas overheat, "the model is slain"
No CSM Transport rules override this
The Transport rules for embarked models kick in when the transport is "destroyed"
Assuming Slain = Destroyed, an overheat will both remove the transport and potentially kill one of the embarked models
Also, as the transport will NOT be "reduced to 0 wounds" the transport does not explode

So an unlucky CSM transport gunner has the potential to implode his own transport and one of his friends, leaving enemies completely unharmed and the unit sitting in the middle of nowhere wondering where their metal box went.

But thanks for assuming I'm either illiterate or stupid, that's always a fun thing to read

I assumed you were talking about the transport being killed by enemy plasma, as choosing to take and overload plasma are things that are entirely within your control. Overcharged plasma is never worth that risk unless the rhino is already on its last wound or something, just fire the normal version and everything is fine.

Okay, something I just noticed - I think it may already have been mentioned, but I want to get clarification.

Shooting rules imply you can attack with all weapons you are equipped with. Tac marines are equipped with Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag grenades and Krak grenades.

Am I missing something or could the above marines attack with each and every weapon listed above if they were in range? I.E., shoot the bolt pistol, boltgun, throw a Frag grenade and toss a Krak grenade?

 Stormonu wrote:
Okay, something I just noticed - I think it may already have been mentioned, but I want to get clarification.

Shooting rules imply you can attack with all weapons you are equipped with. Tac marines are equipped with Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag grenades and Krak grenades.

Am I missing something or could the above marines attack with each and every weapon listed above if they were in range? I.E., shoot the bolt pistol, boltgun, throw a Frag grenade and toss a Krak grenade?

The rules for Pistols and Grenades prevent this.

No. The rules don't allow that.

Only one model in a unit can throw a grenade, and it forfeits all of it's other shooting.

Pistols can only be fired on their own, no other weapons can.

 Stormonu wrote:
Okay, something I just noticed - I think it may already have been mentioned, but I want to get clarification.

Shooting rules imply you can attack with all weapons you are equipped with. Tac marines are equipped with Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag grenades and Krak grenades.

Am I missing something or could the above marines attack with each and every weapon listed above if they were in range? I.E., shoot the bolt pistol, boltgun, throw a Frag grenade and toss a Krak grenade?

There are some restrictions on the weapon types themselves. In this case the pistols and grenades says that you either use that weapon or the rest.

Additionally only 1 model in the unit can toss a grenade.

 Asmodai wrote:

skarsol wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Wait - vehicles don't ignore the 'gets hot' part of plasma in 8th edition?

They do not. Plasma weapons that are intended to go on vehicles all do 1 mortal wound on a to hit of 1 (as far as I've seen). EG: Helbrute Plasma Cannon does 1 mortal wound on a 1.

The Leman Russ Demolisher's Plasma Cannon sponsons flat out destroy the tank if any of the to hit rolls are ones.

Check russ bespoken rules. Overrides it

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Yep, so hey dont overcharge your weapons on your expensive units!! plasma even not overcharged is still pretty good for its points. "Hey this incredibly dangerous thing that we now have a choice to do can have bad repercussions. We better factor that into our game plan". I find it hard to be upset about something when you have complete control over the chance of it happening or not.

Also holy gak those laser destroyers!!! Might actually be worth considering compared to a quad lascannon depending on points.

Though it's rules don't make sense to me.

You have to successfully inflict damage to roll the 2D6... So as rules like nurgles whatever is taken once the damage is caused, if that fails you then roll the 2D6 for damage. What happens if you first rolled a 6 on the 1D6, then do you roll an additional D6 (and another if you roll another 6), or do you discard the first 6 damage and then roll the 2D6?

Obviously it's meant to add a further dice role for damage (and another if you roll a 6), but it's wording doesn't make sense and can be argued the other way.

When it is in response to damage, you roll the total amount of damage they take and then they try and save afterwards. So for example I get 1d6 damage on a nurgle dude. I roll a 4. He now has to save against each hit separately.

So in this case what you would do is "I have succesfully damaged you, I now roll a d6 to see if it becomes 2d6 or 3d6 damage" then you roll the amount of damage they take.

Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Shandara wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Just don't overcharge them, they will be fine. The Greater Brass Scorpion is beastly! https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/05/forge-world-preview-indexes/

I'm surprised the Scorpion has the same wounds as the Spartan Relic Tank, which is far cheaper (power level wise) and has a 2+ save.

The Scorpion also has a 5++ and regenerates a wound every turn.

Also power is based on the most expensive loadout. Because the spartan has a lot of options in how it can be equipped it will probably be more expensive powerwise. Also its a trade off of damage versus transport capacity. We dont really know what the power represents until we see the cost sheet.

Stormonu wrote:Okay, something I just noticed - I think it may already have been mentioned, but I want to get clarification.

Shooting rules imply you can attack with all weapons you are equipped with. Tac marines are equipped with Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag grenades and Krak grenades.

Am I missing something or could the above marines attack with each and every weapon listed above if they were in range? I.E., shoot the bolt pistol, boltgun, throw a Frag grenade and toss a Krak grenade?

Grenades say they are once per unit per turn and I beleive it says instead of other things. Pistols say you can fire all your pistols or all your other weapons. You cant fire pistols and something else in the same turn.

 Stormonu wrote:
Okay, something I just noticed - I think it may already have been mentioned, but I want to get clarification.

Shooting rules imply you can attack with all weapons you are equipped with. Tac marines are equipped with Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag grenades and Krak grenades.

Am I missing something or could the above marines attack with each and every weapon listed above if they were in range? I.E., shoot the bolt pistol, boltgun, throw a Frag grenade and toss a Krak grenade?

The rules pretty much spell out that you can attack with every weapon, but
1 - if you shoot with a pistol it's the only thing you can fire
2 - if a squad has grenades, in the Shooting phase only one model can choose to throw a grenade

Cheers

Glad to see Bespoke rules is paying off again with the way Plasma works on different vehicles.

MarkNorfolk wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Okay, something I just noticed - I think it may already have been mentioned, but I want to get clarification.

Shooting rules imply you can attack with all weapons you are equipped with. Tac marines are equipped with Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag grenades and Krak grenades.

Am I missing something or could the above marines attack with each and every weapon listed above if they were in range? I.E., shoot the bolt pistol, boltgun, throw a Frag grenade and toss a Krak grenade?

The rules pretty much spell out that you can attack with every weapon, but
1 - if you shoot with a pistol it's the only thing you can fire
2 - if a squad has grenades, in the Shooting phase only one model can choose to throw a grenade

Cheers

Thanks, I just hit the next section and found those rules. Bad GW, that's poor rules writing to imply one thing, and then almost immediatley counter it under bespoke rules.

However - and again, I think someone mentioned it earlier - if you had a heavy weapon (such as missile launcher) and a basic weapon (such as a boltgun), by the rules you could shoot both?

 Stormonu wrote:


However - and again, I think someone mentioned it earlier - if you had a heavy weapon (such as missile launcher) and a basic weapon (such as a boltgun), by the rules you could shoot both?

Yes.

Why do people think Scions are almost broken good ?

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Just don't overcharge them, they will be fine. The Greater Brass Scorpion is beastly! https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/05/forge-world-preview-indexes/

I'm surprised that it's a bit weaker (Knights have more wounds for example) and it lost its psychic rape but then, that works some wonders... Brass Scorpion + Warp time is now a thing. First turn charge with 8 strength 14 attacks hitting on 3+ at -4 ap doing 6 damage a pop. G'won then you crazy mofo. Ahriman on disc in support you say? Prescience as well? Why not...

 adamsouza wrote:
Why do people think Scions are almost broken good ?

I'd guess deepstriking plasma for relatively cheap?

 adamsouza wrote:
Why do people think Scions are almost broken good ?

they have access to the cheaper Astra Millitarum plasma guns even though they hit on 3+, new deep strike rules, and orders combine to make them very reliable and efficient.