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2017/06/05 17:38:37
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
I'm surprised the Scorpion has the same wounds as the Spartan Relic Tank, which is far cheaper (power level wise) and has a 2+ save.
You're surprised? One is chaos and the other is loyalist.
Or the 5+ invul the Scorpion has? Which means it _effectively_ has 10 wounds.
Or it that it regains one lost wound at the start of _every_ turn; no roll required.
Or it that it starts at S:10 vs the Spartans S:8
Or that it has a 3D6 charge
Or it's Psycher defence.
2017/06/05 17:41:09
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
I'm surprised the Scorpion has the same wounds as the Spartan Relic Tank, which is far cheaper (power level wise) and has a 2+ save.
You're surprised? One is chaos and the other is loyalist.
Or the 5+ invul the Scorpion has? Which means it _effectively_ has 10 wounds.
Or it that it regains one lost wound at the start of _every_ turn; no roll required.
Or it that it starts at S:10 vs the Spartans S:8
Or that it has a 3D6 charge
Or it's Psycher defence.
5+ invulnerable doesn't come into play except against very few rare weapons. A lascannon's -3 to a 2+ save is 5+. If you're in cover, a 5+ invulnerable save will practically never come into play. I'd take a 2+ save any day over 3+/5++.
The regeneration is a joke of an ability. It won't heal. It can be killed in one turn.
The Scorpion does have an awesome gun and the charge range is great, but at what cost? Overpriced is overpriced, no matter how you spin it.
We'll have to see what the matched play points cost is. The power levels are wacky as hell.
2017/06/05 17:49:11
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
The regeneration is a joke of an ability. It won't heal. It can be killed in one turn.
Wait, what are you using to kill 20+W in 1 turn? Because we've seen form the few battle reports and vids that have gone up so far that even the Land Raider is remarkably survivable, and that's weaker than both Spartan and Scorpion
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2017/06/05 17:52:12
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
The regeneration is a joke of an ability. It won't heal. It can be killed in one turn.
Wait, what are you using to kill 20+W in 1 turn? Because we've seen form the few battle reports and vids that have gone up so far that even the Land Raider is remarkably survivable, and that's weaker than both Spartan and Scorpion
The Hellforged Leviathan easily does 5-15 (d3 hits at BS2+, AP-5) in one round vs the LR. Find 5 more wounds somewhere else.
Regardless, +1 wound a turn is at most ~5 wounds, 4 if you get first turn, and that's only if you manage to take damage without dying each turn.
2017/06/05 17:57:46
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
The regeneration is a joke of an ability. It won't heal. It can be killed in one turn.
Wait, what are you using to kill 20+W in 1 turn? Because we've seen form the few battle reports and vids that have gone up so far that even the Land Raider is remarkably survivable, and that's weaker than both Spartan and Scorpion
You're still watching low points games. Add in a model that'll likely be 500+ points and scale accordingly. And of course a land raider is survivable. It's mostly a loyalist machine.
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The regeneration is a joke of an ability. It won't heal. It can be killed in one turn.
Wait, what are you using to kill 20+W in 1 turn? Because we've seen form the few battle reports and vids that have gone up so far that even the Land Raider is remarkably survivable, and that's weaker than both Spartan and Scorpion
The Hellforged Leviathan easily does 5-15 (d3 hits at BS2+, AP-5) in one round vs the LR. Find 5 more wounds somewhere else.
Regardless, +1 wound a turn is at most ~5 wounds, 4 if you get first turn, and that's only if you manage to take damage without dying each turn.
The hellforged AVERAGES 3.7 against the Scorpion with the bombard. "Easily does"...nice try though...
- Scorpion's average charge range is longer than the range of the bombard
- In melee the Scorpion does 8.9 to the Leviathan; Leviathan does 4.6 to the Scorpion.
- The Scorpion can shoot all it's weapons at the Levianthan while in combat -- 2.2 + 10.9 + 3.1
DaemonJellybaby wrote: Did anyone catch the Jes Goodwin interview and take notes?
Its the one interview I'm interested in seeing / reading.
War of Sigmar has a TRANSCRIPT for those interested.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/06/05 18:29:47
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
The regeneration is a joke of an ability. It won't heal. It can be killed in one turn.
Wait, what are you using to kill 20+W in 1 turn? Because we've seen form the few battle reports and vids that have gone up so far that even the Land Raider is remarkably survivable, and that's weaker than both Spartan and Scorpion
The Hellforged Leviathan easily does 5-15 (d3 hits at BS2+, AP-5) in one round vs the LR. Find 5 more wounds somewhere else.
Regardless, +1 wound a turn is at most ~5 wounds, 4 if you get first turn, and that's only if you manage to take damage without dying each turn.
The hellforged AVERAGES 3.7 against the Scorpion with the bombard. "Easily does"...nice try though...
- Scorpion's average charge range is longer than the range of the bombard
- In melee the Scorpion does 8.9 to the Leviathan; Leviathan does 4.6 to the Scorpion.
- The Scorpion can shoot all it's weapons at the Levianthan while in combat -- 2.2 + 10.9 + 3.1
I did say vs the LR, but that's my fault for misreading anyway. But vs the Scorpion it's 2.77 dmg per shot with d3 shots, so ~5.5. Edit: Oops, left out a fraction, so you were right on this one, it's 3.7.
Scorp only gets to shoot its Pistol cause the Leviathan isn't Infantry. And it does 10.6 damage in CC while the Leviathan does 4.44 with the drill. But yes, it should win, it's double the Power Points.
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2017/06/05 19:01:24
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
Vehicles in 8th are extremely durable (Not the cheap ones like a Sentinel).
I have played a 2.000 point games with my Dark Angels and my Venerable Dreadnought survided the game with 2 wounds after eating like 6 lasscanon shoots to the face and fighting in meele against a unit of 5 terminators with PowerFists (And winning).
I think is the first time in a decade where I end a game with that fella alive.
If a 20 wound vehicle can be destroyed in a single shooting round the posibilities are two:
1-You are playing a high point game and basically all the army of the enemy has focused his fire in that model.
2- Your opponent has so much luck that he should be in Las Vegas throwing dice.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/06/05 19:01:27
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/06/05 19:24:18
Subject: Re:40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
Future War Cultist wrote: So it's a greater brass scorpion of khorne? Can we have regular brass scorpions too? Pretty please GW.
It's a greater brass scorpion because back in apoc original, there was a brass scorpion entry that was designed to be converted from a pair of defiler kits. FW made their own model for the brass scorpion but it was larger, so it became the Greater Brass Scorpion, like how FW has greater daemon models that are much larger so they have rules for Exalted Greater Daemon.
2017/06/05 19:57:06
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 4th June 17: Frontline Gaming Q&A Summary (all info in OP)
Living-metal wrote: So after reading the full index leaks is it safe to assume that relics are gone in 8th?
Till real codexes come out.
Well that is a serious bummer.
Just as long as I get my Burning Brand eventually I'll have no complaints.
You can get it, you just have to buy Bobby G.
But really though, I want Chapter Relic for my Crimson Fists. Or even Relics for Tanks and Dreadnoughts.
I imagine it'll be like last edition and Imperial Fists will cover you guys for the Most part.
Given that Crimson Fists have a different keyword, I don't know if that will be the case anymore. Which hopefully means that Crimson Fists and Black Templars will have their own stuff once the codex comes out.
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