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Everyone saying "Just wait for the Codex " for missing units should really be saying "Wait for the Model/bitz." Any conversions have been mostly invalidated.

All missing wargear have been items not available straight out of the box that GW sells. Chaos for example lost Melta Bombs because no CSM kit comes with any.

In regards to Relics expect alot more fancy bolters, swords, axes, claws and such and less wargear you can't just find in the kit.

I'm extremely happy and also shocked that Korsaaro Kahn on Moondrakkan made it into the Index considering his official model is on foot.

People pay for twitch? That's as bad as paying to watch Cheers reruns. Cheers was great and all, but Sam dies at the end. No he doesn't. I edited that post. Guess which one.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
People pay for twitch?

Some good-natured people feel that donating to streamers they enjoy is fair. What's wrong with donating to support something you enjoy?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Some good-natured people feel that donating to streamers they enjoy is fair. What's wrong with donating to support something you enjoy?

Donating to Jonny Nobody playing Hearthstone for 12 hours a day is a bit different than 'donating' to a company like GW.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Some good-natured people feel that donating to streamers they enjoy is fair. What's wrong with donating to support something you enjoy?

Donating to Jonny Nobody playing Hearthstone for 12 hours a day is a bit different than 'donating' to a company like GW.

To be honest I figured they would want to help sell as much stuff as possible so making these matchup games open to everyone would probably be a smart business move. Someone sees a cool combo, they will go out and buy the models, but those same people may not pay to see that same combo because they couldn't be bothered.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Some good-natured people feel that donating to streamers they enjoy is fair. What's wrong with donating to support something you enjoy?

Donating to Jonny Nobody playing Hearthstone for 12 hours a day is a bit different than 'donating' to a company like GW.

He didn't specify GW.

I wouldn't sub to GW, they don't make a living on Twitch, but I don't see why it's a bad thing to donate to people putting in genuine effort to run an entertaining cast.

Anyway, this is kinda OT...

Sorry I didn't mean to take this off topic, please take "should you pay for twitch" to the off topic section.

I will add in the transcripts from the video interviews each day (if I can get them)

I am unable to watch them live, as they are on at 2am my local time.

You can watch the stream on live for free, but if you want to watch it after it has been aired, you need to be suscribed.

I subscribe because of time zones.

From the WoS transcript, re the gravtank:

Repulsor tank :
it's not a grav tank, it's nothing like a speeder.

Goddamnit Jes, why insult our intelligence like this. It's a floating tank with big plates on the bottom that generate lift and is propelled forward by big ol' turbine engines on the back, you might as well have called it the Land Floater, it's a gravtank. Frankly I'd prefer they just retcon inconvenient fluff rather than trying to make up new, hilariously unconvincing fluff to explain how a thing that is exactly the same as another thing is in fact totes different because look, we called it "repulsor" not "grav" - we can, much as it pains us to have to, ignore fluff we don't like; ignoring that you evidently seem to think we're drooling morons is a tad harder.

Maybe it doesn't manipules gravity and it works instead by magnetic force. Those metal plates are all giant magnets that... "repel" the minerals of the ground... thats why is called Repulsor...

Repulsor tank sounds like they were watching wintoer Soldier and liked the repulsor engines on the helicarriers.

In game it's the same thing, it's a floating tank, but sounds more like they're going the Tony Stark multiple mini jet engine route rather than anti grav.

 Yodhrin wrote:
From the WoS transcript, re the gravtank:

Repulsor tank :
it's not a grav tank, it's nothing like a speeder.

Goddamnit Jes, why insult our intelligence like this. It's a floating tank with big plates on the bottom that generate lift and is propelled forward by big ol' turbine engines on the back, you might as well have called it the Land Floater, it's a gravtank. Frankly I'd prefer they just retcon inconvenient fluff rather than trying to make up new, hilariously unconvincing fluff to explain how a thing that is exactly the same as another thing is in fact totes different because look, we called it "repulsor" not "grav" - we can, much as it pains us to have to, ignore fluff we don't like; ignoring that you evidently seem to think we're drooling morons is a tad harder.

It came across to me that he was talking about rules-wise; warning players that though it may look like a giant speeder it does not at all play like one.

Then he should have said as much, instead of making a fluff based argument.

Maybe he made the common mistake of thinking the context of his statement was clear when it wasn't. We all do that from time to time, its no big deal. If it is a fluff based point though, its a silly one.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Some good-natured people feel that donating to streamers they enjoy is fair. What's wrong with donating to support something you enjoy?

Donating to Jonny Nobody playing Hearthstone for 12 hours a day is a bit different than 'donating' to a company like GW.

Or you could look at it as paying an artist like Jes Goodwin. nobody is forcing you to pay anything. Take care of your hoodlums instead. Get them out of my lawn and we are cool. But seriously, keep your kids out of my front yard.

 -Loki- wrote:
Repulsor tank sounds like they were watching wintoer Soldier and liked the repulsor engines on the helicarriers.

TBH it's a pretty gak name for a tank. I mean all Marine units - even the Mk. II Angry Washing Machine the Mega-Marines are getting - all have names that sound dangerous, inspiring, or pseudo-Latin. This is just... the name is a factor of its function.

It'd be like calling the Stormraven just "Gunship", or a Rhino just "Transport".

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Or you could look at it as paying an artist like Jes Goodwin.

GW already does that for him.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
nobody is forcing you to pay anything.

Never said they were. Argue the points people make, not the points you wish they'd made.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Take care of your hoodlums instead.

O... k?

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Get them out of my lawn and we are cool. But seriously, keep your kids out of my front yard.

I don't think even you know what you're babbling about now.

Long story short: I'm not going to pay a company for their advertising.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Repulsor tank sounds like they were watching wintoer Soldier and liked the repulsor engines on the helicarriers.

TBH it's a pretty gak name for a tank. I mean all Marine units - even the Mk. II Angry Washing Machine the Mega-Marines are getting - all have names that sound dangerous, inspiring, or pseudo-Latin. This is just... the name is a factor of its function.

It'd be like calling the Stormraven just "Gunship", or a Rhino just "Transport".

Well its not really consistent across all vehicles SM have.

i mean rhino, razorbacks, storm raven denotes a kind of animal, but then drop pods, land speeder, land raider really dont.

People arguing about vehicles named after animals while I'm here waiting for stats on actual animals #gargantuansquiggoth

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Spoiler:

 Cuz05 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

But don't worry guys. Exploding vehicles dealing mortal wounds isn't as bad as the poor souls inside the vehicle, who die instantly no matter how many wounds they have, because in the Grim Darkness of the 41st millennium the insides of transport vehicles are all rigged with Vortex grenades.

I can't find where it says this, is that truly the case?!
(Not the bit about vortex grenades...)

The actual "explodes" rule is on the appropriate datasheets (Rhino, Trukk, etc). When it is reduced to 0 wounds, before removing it from the battlefield and before occupants disembark, you roll a die. On a 6 it explodes, and each unit within 6" takes D3 mortal wounds.

In the rules for Transports, when one is destroyed the occupants disembark and you roll a die for each model. On a 1, that model is slain..

Yes, I've seen all that but didn't interpret removing the exploded vehicle as removing all passengers also. I included them in the 6" mortal wound posse. I can see how it reads that way but it doesn't explicitly state that you remove the passengers with the transport, which I would expect it to. Possibly it implies that they will disembark after the explosion... (like you'd have a choice, lol)

I just want to see the rules for my Oridinatus. Because Volcano Cannon are the lulz....unless you can't roll a 6 for D, like I can't.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Everyone saying "Just wait for the Codex " for missing units should really be saying "Wait for the Model/bitz." Any conversions have been mostly invalidated.

All missing wargear have been items not available straight out of the box that GW sells. Chaos for example lost Melta Bombs because no CSM kit comes with any.

In fact, Khorne Berserkers and the CSM box do have meltabombs in them.

Does anyone know the formula for calculating power levels in to points (there was a rough one hundreds of pages ago)? Would love to figure out the rough cost of the Spartan etc as we get this news.

Someone down the thread guesstimated it to be 1 power point = 20 points, but that was for infantry I think.

Also set to pick up my Death Guard side of starter in two Saturdays! Shame it's at this time when I can't afford the whole box, but no way can I wait for those DG!


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 His Master's Voice wrote:
Someone down the thread guesstimated it to be 1 power point = 20 points, but that was for infantry I think.

Thanks, I don't that is quite right though.

In their vid yesterday they said powerlevel is a unit with about half of all available upgrades. Not a very exact number I guess.

wasn't the Land speeder and raider named after the guy who discovered the STC's thought they were originally names Lands speeder and Lands Raider. Might be wrong though. but by this logic the Repulser was clearly designed by a certain villain from power rangers....

moodster95 wrote:
wasn't the Land speeder and raider named after the guy who discovered the STC's

yes, Arkhan Land

So this one should be the Cawl Repulsor, then?

 Yodhrin wrote:
From the WoS transcript, re the gravtank:

Repulsor tank :
it's not a grav tank, it's nothing like a speeder.

Goddamnit Jes, why insult our intelligence like this. It's a floating tank with big plates on the bottom that generate lift and is propelled forward by big ol' turbine engines on the back, you might as well have called it the Land Floater, it's a gravtank. Frankly I'd prefer they just retcon inconvenient fluff rather than trying to make up new, hilariously unconvincing fluff to explain how a thing that is exactly the same as another thing is in fact totes different because look, we called it "repulsor" not "grav" - we can, much as it pains us to have to, ignore fluff we don't like; ignoring that you evidently seem to think we're drooling morons is a tad harder.

You're taking the line completely out of context.

He was meaning that it's not like an Eldar grav tank that zooms about the place, it's not manoeuvrable and goes about the same speed as a Landraider.

Of course it was broadcast live, so it wasn't phrased exactly perfectly if someone later wanted to be an ass and comb through something to find something to complain about.... but it was completely obvious what was meant if you watched it