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2017/06/08 06:37:24
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Just did a once over between the FW table of contents and the leaked points table and it looks like the Orks might be missing a few things.
So far..
Battlefortress
Gun Wagon
Looted Wagon
and Skullhamma.. though it's not really an official model..
Either way, I have a Battlefortress and several variations of looted wagons and/or gunwagons. They yanked that option directly away from us.. So that's 2 looted Leman Russ, my Armorcast/Epicast vehicles (basically gunwagons or looted wagons with boomguns), my looted wagon with skorcha from a 2nd ed rhino, and probably a few more that I'm forgetting about. There is NOTHING to replace them.. They left in buggies, trakks, trucks, and battlewagons.. but that's it.. and the kill tank and big tracks from FW are still in.. which I have as well.. but there's no medium to heavy option to cover all of that intermediary..
MLaw wrote: Just did a once over between the FW table of contents and the leaked points table and it looks like the Orks might be missing a few things.
So far..
Battlefortress
Gun Wagon
Looted Wagon
and Skullhamma.. though it's not really an official model..
Either way, I have a Battlefortress and several variations of looted wagons and/or gunwagons. They yanked that option directly away from us.. So that's 2 looted Leman Russ, my Armorcast/Epicast vehicles (basically gunwagons or looted wagons with boomguns), my looted wagon with skorcha from a 2nd ed rhino, and probably a few more that I'm forgetting about. There is NOTHING to replace them.. They left in buggies, trakks, trucks, and battlewagons.. but that's it.. and the kill tank and big tracks from FW are still in.. which I have as well.. but there's no medium to heavy option to cover all of that intermediary..
It's quite simple really they don't want stats on "looted wagons" because people including my self were using models from other systems and gluing warhammer bits to them and calling them "looted wagons" it's purely a sales thing.
How ever that said 90pts boom guns were great in 5th providing the grots did not press that big red button, I had some hilarious accidents through it.
2017/06/08 08:25:01
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Really removing looted wagons doesn't stop people proxy modeling vehicles, it didn't have to be a looted wagon to use a random tank as a chimera or russ. I have 4 looted wagons 1 basilisk 2 chimera 1 rhino gw wouldn't have those sales if not for the creative freedom in modeling orks bring to the table. It's ridiculous. I implore everyone to comment on there Facebook page about looted wagons, and remind gw of those extra model sales and all the existing hard work and amazing conversions of everything from carnifex to baneblades that people 'loot' for their orks.
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2017/06/08 08:31:36
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
They said the indices would be only for their current model range.
Expect them to come back with the codex drop.
Please take further discussion of "where's the looted wagons" to a general thread
2017/06/08 08:56:34
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
As for points, points don't balance the game. They're resources to be spent. They create constraints the player must work within. Then the player does their level best to get around those constraints and build his list in such a way that his efficiency is greater than the player mean before he even hits the table. A good point system will keep the variance low enough that he doesn't just auto win but someone who spends a significant amount of time list building will always have an advantage over someone who just throws models at the table. That's just the way the game works.
Don't make points something mythical, they're just a system to be bent by skilled players, like everything else.
I enjoyed this statement so much, I came out of lurker mode and registered with the forum! I think I might get this tatooed on my forehead!
To get this post on-topic: They took away my Chaos Marines' ability to come equipped with bolters and chainswords Unlike many people out there, I always loved the CSM as a troops choice because of their versatility (especially when ObSec turned up!). Now, I have to choose how to use them and other units fill the respective roles more effectively (Noise Marines would be the new go-to choice for me, I guess). Chaos Lords have also lost a bit of flavour now that they no longer get a bonus from their Mark of Chaos.
So I'm already eager for the new codices-that-aren't-codices to drop, even though the index books haven't even been officially released yet
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2017/06/08 10:59:27
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
So I noticed Dreadnoughts no longer have an option to deploy via Drop Pod in Index Imperium 1, and Kairos is the only Tzeentch Daemon without the Ephemeral Form rule.
The former feths my Dark Angels unless I get the Forge World Index, the latter is just weird.
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2017/06/08 11:22:23
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Nostromodamus wrote: So I noticed Dreadnoughts no longer have an option to deploy via Drop Pod in Index Imperium 1, and Kairos is the only Tzeentch Daemon without the Ephemeral Form rule.
The former feths my Dark Angels unless I get the Forge World Index, the latter is just weird.
I wouldn't worry too much about the former, the Dreadnought Drop Pod is unlikely to be cheap enough to use in an actual game.
2017/06/08 11:50:59
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
On Facebook a user asked if 40k would get a army builder like the AoS one on the community site, it was posted earlier today and answered with a 'yes' but 'a few months off'.
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2017/06/08 12:35:06
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: On Facebook a user asked if 40k would get a army builder like the AoS one on the community site, it was posted earlier today and answered with a 'yes' but 'a few months off'.
Ugh, the points cost layout is borderline unusable if reading from an ebook, and still takes a lot longer than before using a book you can flick between pages on freely.
2017/06/08 12:35:28
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: On Facebook a user asked if 40k would get a army builder like the AoS one on the community site, it was posted earlier today and answered with a 'yes' but 'a few months off'.
If they expect us to rebuy the index books on the app to get the datasheets in the app, I'm going to riot. Gut says they won't, though. I think the index books are just a nice little earner for the first couple of months, vs. just releasing PDFs like they did for AOS. Alternatively, subscription fee for the app or something. We'll see.
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2017/06/08 12:54:26
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
The Age of Sigmar army builder on the community site has all the points for free.
However it lacks any rules.
It's a decent balance really if 40k continues like that - as long as the App is cross-compatible with the digital releases for the mainrules and indices.
2017/06/08 13:10:22
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: Really removing looted wagons doesn't stop people proxy modeling vehicles, it didn't have to be a looted wagon to use a random tank as a chimera or russ. I have 4 looted wagons 1 basilisk 2 chimera 1 rhino gw wouldn't have those sales if not for the creative freedom in modeling orks bring to the table. It's ridiculous. I implore everyone to comment on there Facebook page about looted wagons, and remind gw of those extra model sales and all the existing hard work and amazing conversions of everything from carnifex to baneblades that people 'loot' for their orks.
You have a point but having no model for the looted wagon give people to much freedom to do what ever they want with what ever plastic they want with no restrictions what so ever, I'm on your side this is just my opinion as to why they would not include it in the codex.
Maybe start a specific thread where we can get other players to gather and spam the Facebook page with looted wagon pleads.
2017/06/08 13:30:04
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
MLaw wrote: Just did a once over between the FW table of contents and the leaked points table and it looks like the Orks might be missing a few things.
So far..
Battlefortress
Gun Wagon
Looted Wagon
and Skullhamma.. though it's not really an official model..
Either way, I have a Battlefortress and several variations of looted wagons and/or gunwagons. They yanked that option directly away from us.. So that's 2 looted Leman Russ, my Armorcast/Epicast vehicles (basically gunwagons or looted wagons with boomguns), my looted wagon with skorcha from a 2nd ed rhino, and probably a few more that I'm forgetting about. There is NOTHING to replace them.. They left in buggies, trakks, trucks, and battlewagons.. but that's it.. and the kill tank and big tracks from FW are still in.. which I have as well.. but there's no medium to heavy option to cover all of that intermediary..
It's quite simple really they don't want stats on "looted wagons" because people including my self were using models from other systems and gluing warhammer bits to them and calling them "looted wagons" it's purely a sales thing.
How ever that said 90pts boom guns were great in 5th providing the grots did not press that big red button, I had some hilarious accidents through it.
That's not a "sales" thing tho its a drinking the kool-aid thing. If GW doesn't sell a model and you buy GW Bits to built your own then they ARE making more money than they would otherwise (IE zero).
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Warhammer Armies - Click to see galleries of fully painted armies
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2017/06/08 13:35:45
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/06/08 14:34:04
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
MLaw wrote: Just did a once over between the FW table of contents and the leaked points table and it looks like the Orks might be missing a few things. So far.. Battlefortress Gun Wagon Looted Wagon
and Skullhamma.. though it's not really an official model..
Either way, I have a Battlefortress and several variations of looted wagons and/or gunwagons. They yanked that option directly away from us.. So that's 2 looted Leman Russ, my Armorcast/Epicast vehicles (basically gunwagons or looted wagons with boomguns), my looted wagon with skorcha from a 2nd ed rhino, and probably a few more that I'm forgetting about. There is NOTHING to replace them.. They left in buggies, trakks, trucks, and battlewagons.. but that's it.. and the kill tank and big tracks from FW are still in.. which I have as well.. but there's no medium to heavy option to cover all of that intermediary..
did you see the Mekboy Junka? That would be a good replacement for the looted wagon if GW doesn't bring it back in the ork codex (which I doubt they will)
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Those poor gents are acting like their families are being held hostage. Have we seen the cream Death Guard scheme on the new miniatures yet?
I want to see the cream colored Death Guard as that's the scheme I want to use. Last time I tried to do white armored 40k Death Guard it didn't end well so new ideas are always helpful!
2017/06/08 14:57:31
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Tyran wrote: You can always make your own army builder, there are a few programs for that. I already made my own Tyranid army builder in Battlescribe.
We shouldn't have to. Other miniature games provide such tools for players free of charge. We the players simply give GW a pass on making their game easier to play.
Keeper of the DomBox
Warhammer Armies - Click to see galleries of fully painted armies
32,000, 19,000, Renegades - 10,000 , 7,500,
2017/06/08 14:59:53
Subject: 40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Tyran wrote: You can always make your own army builder, there are a few programs for that. I already made my own Tyranid army builder in Battlescribe.
We shouldn't have to. Other miniature games provide such tools for players free of charge. We the players simply give GW a pass on making their game easier to play.
Alpharius wrote: Friendly reminder - again - that this thread is about "40k New Edition Summary".
Please think about whether or not what you're about to post actually is on topic here, and if it isn't, post it somewhere else.
Thanks!
Just for clarity, is that re - paint scheme, army builder, or ork vehicles that don't seem to be in the new edition? Because out of the 3 of those things, 2 of them do seem to be off topic to me but the absence of units in 8th edition seems to be on-topic in my mind..
Jes Bickham tells us all about a very special game of the new Warhammer 40,000 being played this Friday on Warhammer Live…
This Friday evening’s First Blood game is going to be a very special affair, as it sees new Warhammer 40,000 architect Robin Cruddace bring his beautifully painted Howling Griffons Space Marines to battle against my own Genestealer Cults army. But what is it precisely about this particular match-up that makes it very special, we hear you ask?
Well, it’s because we’re aiming to recreate Paul Dainton’s astonishing art depicting these two factions in battle, in order to answer once and for all what’s happening in the picture: are the Howling Griffons winning… or losing? The victor will get to establish Warhammer 40,000 history, and what’s more, Warhammer World have also very kindly donated a framed print of Paul’s art for the winner to take home! Who’s going to come out on top? There’s everything to play for, and you can be sure I will be using every sneaky Genestealer Cults trick up my sleeve to smite the lapdogs of the fake Emperor… and I have a space on my hobby room wall for that art!
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/06/08 16:10:03
Subject: Re:40k New Edition Summary - 7th June 17: Vox-Cast (behind the scenes) episode 3 (info in OP)
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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