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 usernamesareannoying wrote:
worst troll thread ever.

Agree.

I have no idea what's even being complained about here.

I want new guard models and units, new inquisition models and units, new ork models and units (hope they don't change their
name though!), new new new new. Let's keep the hobby fresh!

Missing out on great miniatures to make a point? No thanks

 darkstar6783 wrote:
Statement Redacted.

Pah, that's not how you summon a mod. You do it like this.

Y'vulgtlagln Moderators, y'ai Moderators ch'nglui, c'stell'bsna c'nnn. Shtunggli Traditio orr'e, ah throd. Y'hah.

On topic to the the thread, flat no. Do you really think GW will squat old Marines just because Primaris came out?

I DON'T LIKE IT, SO NOBODY SHOULD!!!!

But in seriousness, there's an FAQ

Current Astartes aren't going anywhere.

Storm in a tea cup mate. Storm in a tea cup.

Honestly, the only disagreement I have with GW is the way they did it in the fluff.
I think the miniatures are beautiful, if not enough bling-bling, but I can make them more bling if I want to.
If they came with a better fluff, I would be praising GW right now.
I think old marines will be phased out eventually, but we still have years of fun with them before the end.
And even if hundreds of players boycott them, thousands will buy them. They are bound to succeed.

You've read the background for them?

Got a link?

I am not boycotting them per se - I just don't like them enough to make me bother to buy them as an Addition to my DA.

Space Marines are old, really old. They are so old they are starting to lose their magic. Every company, sports team and people need to reinvent themselves every now and then, that includes Games Workshop and their main product; the space marine. If you look at the past and current products, it sucks, but it is a move for the future and I really understand it.

 koooaei wrote:
Traditio is a troll.

Trolls care about one thing, and one thing only: lulz.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that trolls are going to ruin your fun.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott Traditio.

Get everyone you know to boycott Traditio.

Here here!

 Traditio wrote:
Did you read the thread about using paper miniatures?

You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

You really think that GW is going to invalidate their best-selling range by releasing an updated version?
Are old SM models going to be banned in games played in GW stores?
Is GW going to update every current SM kit, replacing the SM models with the MkX?


None of that is going to happen.
GW's policy is usually to use GW models, no matter how old they are.
GW made a new kit to include in the new box sets, and make them a bit better than the current units.
People can still use their existing models and units, and can get the new ones if they wish.
The sky isn't falling for Space Marines, but a new kit is being released, to use if you want to. It is only for use in versions 8 and on, though, as their points will never be released for use in earlier lists, for 7th edition and such.
These are the new Centurions of last edition. Nothing more.

Good luck with that...

 Traditio wrote:
You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

ten years? I've got marines in my army that are old enough to drink! (and that's before I count all the old 2nd and 1st edition miniatures).

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

ten years? I've got marines in my army that are old enough to drink! (and that's before I count all the old 2nd and 1st edition miniatures).

Third ed. only came out in 1998, meaning your marines would only be 19 years old. ARE YOU SERVING ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE SPACE MARINES!?

 Verviedi wrote:


On topic to the the thread, flat no. Do you really think GW will squat old Marines just because Primaris came out?

I do. It won't happen immediately, because that would have required GW to put out a full range of re-scaled replacements, and the current Marine range covers a lot of sprues.

But I fully expect that the embiggened marine range will be slowly expanded to cover most or all of the same options as the current range, along with a few added, over-the-top-silly new toys, and then the current range will be quietly retired as kits sell out, and eventually the giganto marines will just be 'marines'.

Outside of my distaste for scale creep, I don't really see a problem with that. It's actually a pretty clever way of re-scaling the range without breaking the bank.


And once the switch is complete, there'll be nothing stopping Marine players from still using their armies of current marines, any more than there's been anything stopping people from using 2nd ed or Rogue Trader marines for the last 15 years.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

ten years? I've got marines in my army that are old enough to drink! (and that's before I count all the old 2nd and 1st edition miniatures).

Ha, me too. One squad of badly painted plastic marines from the 1st box set of beakies. Much loved heros of the imperium

 Elbows wrote:

Third ed. only came out in 1998, meaning your marines would only be 19 years old. ARE YOU SERVING ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE SPACE MARINES!?

His flag says UK, so no. Most of the world that isn't in the US allows 18 year olds to drink

The new models are a considerable upgrade. Even if they do eventually replace the standard marine, that's hardly a bad thing. It's nice of GW to ease us into it if that's the plan.

All is well. Nothing to see here.

 insaniak wrote:
and eventually the giganto marines will just be 'marines'.

Not even. The new name fits perfectly into the "easier to trademark" wheel house that all new GW names are squeezing into. They'll probably slowly replace the smaller space marines, but they'll keep the name, Primaris Marines, which works fine even without the Space Marines to carry it.

 Traditio wrote:
You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

Don't be silly. I have this model, and people are asking me to play him. I just don't really have anything to play him as.

On a serious note - Regardless of your opinion of the topic, I would remind posters that rule 1 is still in effect. Name-calling is not an appropriate response, even to threads with a premise you disagree with.

Boycott!? That's silly, I will make GW a very rich company by buying every Primaris unit they produce.

 Elbows wrote:
Third ed. only came out in 1998, meaning your marines would only be 19 years old. ARE YOU SERVING ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE SPACE MARINES!?

Look at the flag. I live in a civilised country.


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 Purifier wrote:
Don't be silly. I have this model, and people are asking me to play him. I just don't really have anything to play him as.

Primaris psyker lord. That's what mine is. In fact, he's the Warlord in my Imperial Guard army. Lord Varlak fights again!

 insaniak wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

Third ed. only came out in 1998, meaning your marines would only be 19 years old. ARE YOU SERVING ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE SPACE MARINES!?

His flag says UK, so no. Most of the world that isn't in the US allows 18 year olds to drink

There are even countries where <18 can drink.

Problem is lack of new releases for old marines and will they bother producing new molds for old marines when old ones wear down rather than simply keep producing equilavent numarine unit?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Primaris psyker lord. That's what mine is. In fact, he's the Warlord in my Imperial Guard army. Lord Varlak fights again!

Neither of which the Skitarii I play have

Just proxy them with your Marines available.
I'll not buy them as I prefer Xenos anyway.

Am i going to go outta my way to not buy them? No

Am i probably going to buy them? Not anytime soon as
a) i dont wanna end up paying 50 bucks a box,
b)i dont like the unit stat line
c) I dont like the lore
d) i dont wanna mix and match marines for a tac squad.

tneva82 wrote:

There are even countries where <18 can drink.

Problem is lack of new releases for old marines and will they bother producing new molds for old marines when old ones wear down rather than simply keep producing equilavent numarine unit?

Yes. That's why we drink. Evil GW.

An Inquisitor, then. Use a couple of spare skitarrii or whatever you might have as acolytes.

I'm probably not going to purchase any, not for the sake of boycott, but simply because I don't wanna jump down yet another rabbit hole of wallet-geddon.

lol nope the community has wanted true scale marines for ages why ban them if gw makess them

Sky is falling.... as always.

My two cents why GW won't phase out current Astartes range:

1) Why give the Primarii MK X armour when the classic Space Marines have only MK VIII? For me, it's clearly a sign they're leaving themselves the room for eventually update Adeptus Astartes to MK IV armour.

2) Planned obsolescence. In a way, all minis are doomed to this from the very beginning. GW, PP, CB ... all those companies replaced and uptdated their minis range in the past. It's obvius that someday there will be new Eldar, new Guard, new Daemons etc. And when that will happen... your current minis would still look out of place, regardless of whether fluff changed or not.

What do you expect, that GW would say: "Ow, all right, we would rather bankrupt than allow that some of our customers consider buying new minis from us!" C'mon that's just silly.

Besides, if GW is planning to use Primarii as replacement for current SM range, then, in fact, Primaris SM became the new Adeptus Astartes. Why can't you then use current Tacticals as Intercessors?

Fluff. I agree, at the moment it's feel rather lackluster. But you know what? Before I've read Soul Hunter I've literally zero interest in Night Lords. Before I've read Talon of Horus I thinked that Black Legion are the most dull Space Marine Legion.
Give Aaron Dembski-Bowden and other BL writers some time.

but...but...i love nu-mrines. They are the scale Marins I've wanted for years. Vintage marines are dumb and tiny and there scale makes me cry at night.

When I'm alone.....which is all the time......