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 CrownAxe wrote:
Well this poll is looking pretty lopsided against this boycott

But that just means tradito has a strong minority right?

Ha ha, yes but maybe they are a 'progressive' minority, they seem to be pretty important these days. If GW hear the 'progressive minority's' are after them they would probably just give up. I would.

 Knockagh wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Well this poll is looking pretty lopsided against this boycott

But that just means tradito has a strong minority right?

Ha ha, yes but maybe they are a 'progressive' minority, they seem to be pretty important these days. If GW hear the 'progressive minority's' are after them they would probably just give up. I would.

At the very least I would throw my hands in the air in an exasperated motion, and the way every group on the internet reads anything as a victory for their cause, that would probably be read as surrender.

I was not going to buy them anyway, so i hit No.
But the models themselves look to be a huge improvement and something i would have rather seen them do years ago as a basic upgrade to get the game all in scale with itself.

The Story and way the universe is going on the other hand I wont be finding much too positive there.

 AegisGrimm wrote:


And my Space Wolves 13th company models (from back in the eye of terror campaign) become a really cool new spin on standard Space Wolves, as my force is trapped on the wrong side of the Warp Rift, forced to use parts of enemy armor and gear to keep fighting, and yet refuse to be saddled with the new 'pretender' freak-marines when the chance for reinforcements arises.

Your 13th company are already running on three different model varieties, what's one more?

I will admit that I've misread the public sentiment.

Based on the posts that I was seeing on the forum, I was under the impression that there was greater discontent with the primaris space marines.

I also must admit my surprise, all things considered, that I got so many votes for "yes."

Well, go figure. I guess people generally like the new models.

 Traditio wrote:
I will admit that I've misread the public sentiment.

Based on the posts that I was seeing on the forum, I was under the impression that there was greater discontent with the primaris space marines.

I also must admit my surprise, all things considered, that I got so many votes for "yes."

Well, go figure. I guess people generally like the new models.

More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines. I've got old edition Rhinos and Vindicators, most people I've played against pick them up and look at them just so they can pick them up and look at them. GW has never been able to enforce models going out of date - why start now?

Apple fox wrote:
I was not going to buy them anyway, so i hit No.
But the models themselves look to be a huge improvement and something i would have rather seen them do years ago as a basic upgrade to get the game all in scale with itself.

The Story and way the universe is going on the other hand I wont be finding much too positive there.

I think it's too early to tell, there are a lot of cool things they COULD do, now that they've taken the box the setting is in, and given it a good shake. there are also a lot of stupid things, time will tell. given GW is listening to us (keep in mind they also have shareholders they also need to listen to) our best thing we can do is communicate what we do and don't want to see.

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

 Traditio wrote:
I will admit that I've misread the public sentiment.

Based on the posts that I was seeing on the forum, I was under the impression that there was greater discontent with the primaris space marines.

I also must admit my surprise, all things considered, that I got so many votes for "yes."

Well, go figure. I guess people generally like the new models.

people have been down on GW for so long it's honestly refreshing to see this much positive sentiment for what GW is doing. GW's making the biggest changes to 40k since 3rd edition, and people are excited and eager about it for the most part.

 Traditio wrote:

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

Zero?

I've never seen anyone get called out either

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I'm thinking of buying a bunch of these Nu-Marines just to drive Traditio crazy. That and they are cool models! I wonder how they'll look in Caliban Green...

Not as good as they would have looked in dark angels green

CrownAxe wrote:Zero?

At least twice.

Once in a normal game of 7th edition 40k who wanted to hit more models (saying that my marines "should" be on 32 mm bases, not 25 mm bases).

Once in a game of Shadow Wars, namely, because of the rules having to do with falling.

It's come up.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

Zero?

I've never seen anyone get called out either

given that the 32 mm bases for marines is a fairly new thing I suspect most marine armies mostly use them. I know I've not been rebasing my old Marines.

 Traditio wrote:

CrownAxe wrote:Zero?

At least twice.

Once in a normal game of 7th edition 40k who wanted to hit more models (saying that my marines "should" be on 32 mm bases, not 25 mm bases).

Once in a game of Shadow Wars, namely, because of the rules having to do with falling.

It's come up.

Obviously, I have zero idea what you're like to play against. You may be the best opponent ever for all I know. But it seems to me that when people get so petty that they start pointing out the base size, it's because they're facing people that always seem to hit one more guy than you'd strictly think was actually under the template, and when it's your template they'll argue that there is one less guy under it than what you're seeing. Basically, nitpicking is something I generally see done mostly to people that nitpick. People that try to turn everything in their favour, for the smallest advantage. Maybe not completely TFG, but just a little frustrating to play against.

Purifier wrote:Obviously, I have zero idea what you're like to play against. You may be the best opponent ever for all I know.

Hit me up once 8th edition drops, and you can find out via Vassal.

But it seems to me that when people get so petty that they start pointing out the base size, it's because they're facing people that always seem to hit one more guy than you'd strictly think was actually under the template, and when it's your template they'll argue that there is one less guy under it than what you're seeing. Basically, nitpicking is something I generally see done mostly to people that nitpick. People that try to turn everything in their favour, for the smallest advantage. Maybe not completely TFG, but just a little frustrating to play against.

He had a template. I had a group of models. "I mean, if your models had the appropriate bases, I would ACTUALLY hit x number of models." "Yeah? But they don't. There are no rules which stipulate base sizes. They actually have these base sizes."

The second time: I had a chaos space marine up against a window in ruins. He wanted to shoot him off of a ledge. In fact, I would have been more than 1 inch away, regardless of whether I was using 25 or 32 mm. bases. But he wanted to dispute base sizes.

At the end of the day, I care about RAI. However, my sole concern is not winning. If we have equal armies, and if the luck of the dice is against me, and you have better tactical sense than I do, then so be it.

But the first player had space marine bikes and grav cannons.

And the second player was using Eldar and tyrranids respectively.

actually there where rules for base sizes it was "use what we give ya" and for ages, space marines where given 25 mm bases. expecting everyone to immediatly rebase their entire army because GW decides to change the size of a base is silly.

BrianDavion wrote:
actually there where rules for base sizes it was "use what we give ya" and for ages, space marines where given 25 mm bases. expecting everyone to immediatly rebase their entire army because GW decides to change the size of a base is silly.

That's my position.

Other people do not share my views.

I voted no. My wishful thinking is that they will turn all Sanguinius boys to Mephistons/Sanguinors, all Space Wolves to Wulfen and Cypher will make a renegade army from Lion sons. All other will slowly die from attrition leaving only codex PSM. Death to the runty SM

 Traditio wrote:

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

A billion times. My local club also consists of the Pope Francis, Elizabeth the Second, and the exiled Italian Royal Family. Don't you just love anecdotes?

Well thankfully we have seen us dakkites aren't very progressive at all. Otherwise we would be screaming for another vote and saying everyone has been duped into thinking nu marines are a good idea when clearly they aren't. Finally we could all sit back and blame Teresa May and the Conservatives.

 Knockagh wrote:
Well thankfully we have seen us dakkites aren't very progressive at all. Otherwise we would be screaming for another vote and saying everyone has been duped into thinking nu marines are a good idea when clearly they aren't. Finally we could all sit back and blame Teresa May and the Conservatives.

Unrelated political ramble. Just what this thread needed.

I was far more upset about the Necron rework, the changes to the Inquisition (demonhosts and grey knights=best friends ), the addition of knights and the additions of superheavies in games then I am of the NuMarines. Frankly I think the Numarines fit surprisingly well in the lore, their models are cool and that they represent what space marines are supposed to be (lorewise) better on the tabletop then marines do themselves. Food for thought is that an unupgraded marine squad cost 300p back in 2nd ed. today it's more akin to 150p. The addition of Numarines, elite marines as it where, will probably make the "generic" marine list more fluffy. (Btw I was very tempted to turn this post into a rant about stuff that bug me more)

 Traditio wrote:

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

Haven't seen your local crew but I bet they smell nice, you complain about them every now and then.

 Traditio wrote:
I will admit that I've misread the public sentiment.

Based on the posts that I was seeing on the forum, I was under the impression that there was greater discontent with the primaris space marines.

I also must admit my surprise, all things considered, that I got so many votes for "yes."

Well, go figure. I guess people generally like the new models.

Don't get me wrong, I see this as an incredible blemish on my opinion of "new gw". They're willfully ignoring every other faction in the game to release yet more unnecessary marines (which isn't in itself unusual) but usually they at least have SOME kind of excuse. Now it's just "We're gonna be making more tactical marines while your Guardians and Gaunts are still monopose 3rd ed plastics, we're gonna be making more dreadnoughts while your sisters of battle are still metal, we're gonna be making more rhinos while your deffbuggies are still 25 year old gorkamorka models, deal with it."

It's the laziest thing I've seen GW do in my years of playing. Not the sleaziest or most offensive (Finecast still wears that crown) but definitely the laziest.

All that said, I don't care if someone wants to use them. They're literally the EXACT SAME THING as regular space marines. Why would I care at all? I don't refuse games against regular space marines...

I vote "no" just because I really want my superhuman soldiers look like, you know, super-humans, not just silly fat guardsman.

But it's sore that my huge collection is going to be the thing of the past. So I totally understand other marine player's frustration.

 Traditio wrote:


He had a template. I had a group of models. "I mean, if your models had the appropriate bases, I would ACTUALLY hit x number of models."

That doesn't make sense... Bigger bases mean wider coherency, so fewer models under the template, not more.

 insaniak wrote:

 Traditio wrote:


He had a template. I had a group of models. "I mean, if your models had the appropriate bases, I would ACTUALLY hit x number of models."

That doesn't make sense... Bigger bases mean wider coherency, so fewer models under the template, not more.

Exactly. Bigger bases let you spread gak out more.

Edit: With templates going away, it doesn't matter any more.

They are not replacing normal marines with Primaris Marines.

Of course not. They just won't make any more minis for them or supply new codexes. We've seen this song and dance before.

 Traditio wrote:
For the purposes of the argument, let's suppose that you play Harlequins and Corsaires.

Let's suppose that GW came out with a new faction, or else, a new line of models: Nu-Harlequins and Nu-Corsaires.

And judging by all previous experience, the release of this model means that vintage harlequins and vintage corsaires would cease to be updated both in terms of their model line and in terms of their rules.

Would you buy the nu-harlequins and corsaires?

Would you want other people to do so?

It happened to me. I play Sisters of Battle. The model line that prevent them from being ever updated is marine.
.

Seeing how you were a direct part of this by buying marines I might nu-marines just as revenge!
(Okay I am not going to do this I'll never buy marines, nu or not )

 Traditio wrote:
GW is a corporation.

Corporations care about one thing, and one thing only: profit.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that marines are going the way of the dodo with the advent of nu-marines.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott them.

Get everyone you know to boycott them.

Make attempting to sell the fluff abomination which is nu-marines a fiscally painful experience for GW.

To be clear, this is very much unlike my previous "Boycott Magnus" thread.

That was all about balance.

This is about the fact that nu-marines are an existential threat to vintage marines.

You want GW to keep supporting vintage marines?

Then show them, with your wallets, that you refuse to allow them to be replaced.

People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.