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 Deadshot wrote:


People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

These are not truescale marines. Current marines are in perfect scale with every army in the game except imperial guard.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

These are not truescale marines. Current marines are in perfect scale with every army in the game except imperial guard.

No disrepute, but people stil asked for truscale marines (in relation to IG) and wouldn't shut up and now look what they've gone and done.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

These are not truescale marines. Current marines are in perfect scale with every army in the game except imperial guard.

Truscale is about being scaled in human dimensions, rather than the armour having to wrench your arms out of their sockets for the dimensions to work. They have to increase the height to make the width make sense.

ERJAK wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
If I remember correctly, there was a statement a while back when they changed base sizes that marines could be on either 25mm or 32mm bases,

I have my Wolves and Sisters on 25mm bases, and have never had a problem with it.


And if Grey Hunters are phased out for Primaris Grey Hunters, why would I not be able to use my old Grey Hunters? I haven't seen complaints about the two old terminator models I have. I've never seen complaints against other people using older models either.

I personally hate 25mm. I would rebase my entire SoB army on 32s if I could.

I mean, what's stopping you? It would be a lot of work, but there is nothing really stopping you. You can either do a gakload of pinning, or you can use the converters that some companies made to slot over the 25s.

 Purifier wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

These are not truescale marines. Current marines are in perfect scale with every army in the game except imperial guard.

Truscale is about being scaled in human dimensions, rather than the armour having to wrench your arms out of their sockets for the dimensions to work. They have to increase the height to make the width make sense.

Not really. There are many possibilities that don't require change of sense. The first being that Space Marines are vastly more broad in proportion to their height compared to a regular human, as shown by numerous images such as this: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=space+marine+no+armour&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ3bzS0vvTAhUPfFAKHYGlDcUQ_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=759#imgrc=Dj-lhD84Koy_DM:


Actually, I think that image serves as all the depiction required. And that's it. Space Marines don't use human proportions and the game is scaled from Space Marines, so everything is in proportion exept Imperial Guard because GW doesn't have the time/skill/effort to create small enough to be accurate models.

 Purifier wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

These are not truescale marines. Current marines are in perfect scale with every army in the game except imperial guard.

Truscale is about being scaled in human dimensions, rather than the armour having to wrench your arms out of their sockets for the dimensions to work. They have to increase the height to make the width make sense.

ERJAK wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
If I remember correctly, there was a statement a while back when they changed base sizes that marines could be on either 25mm or 32mm bases,

I have my Wolves and Sisters on 25mm bases, and have never had a problem with it.


And if Grey Hunters are phased out for Primaris Grey Hunters, why would I not be able to use my old Grey Hunters? I haven't seen complaints about the two old terminator models I have. I've never seen complaints against other people using older models either.

I personally hate 25mm. I would rebase my entire SoB army on 32s if I could.

I mean, what's stopping you? It would be a lot of work, but there is nothing really stopping you. You can either do a gakload of pinning, or you can use the converters that some companies made to slot over the 25s.

Tournaments and cost mostly.

 Purifier wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

These are not truescale marines. Current marines are in perfect scale with every army in the game except imperial guard.

Truscale is about being scaled in human dimensions, rather than the armour having to wrench your arms out of their sockets for the dimensions to work. They have to increase the height to make the width make sense.

Scale is one models dimensions relative to another. You are talking about proportion.

Yes. The models have gak proportion. Because they are in, the confusingly named, "heroic scale". Which is a misnomer. Because again, it's a reference to proportion not scale.

You don't need to make a SM model taller to make it "True proportion", you just have to adjust the proportions at the scale it is at.

If you took a Primaris marine and you were to shrink the entire scale of the model until it was the same height as a standard tac marine you would have realistic proportion at the same scale. That is not what a Primarine is. But that would be true scale with better human proportions.

If you want proof that current marines were already at the appropriate scale, look at Deathwatch: Overkill. The marines in that kit are posed better (i.e. less squatty), and look to be the right height in relation to the cultist minis. The scale issue was never the Marines, it was the Cadians and Catachans (who are supposed to be larger than average anyway)

 EnTyme wrote:
If you want proof that current marines were already at the appropriate scale, look at Deathwatch: Overkill. The marines in that kit are posed better (i.e. less squatty), and look to be the right height in relation to the cultist minis. The scale issue was never the Marines, it was the Cadians and Catachans (who are supposed to be larger than average anyway)

And even more so with the Skitarii. They wanted to make something that had close to real proportions. The Skitarii are fairly slim. But to make them that slim and full of little detail, they couldn't make them small, because they are fragile as it is. So they're slightly taller than a standard space marine. They're supposed to be normal human size.

I'm glad I sold my Space Marines years and years and YEARS ago, because now I want to build a Primaris Crimson Fists army.

I would really like some Primaris Necron Warriors. The current ones look like they got some heat rash on their thighs and now have to walk with legs way apart.

 judgedoug wrote:
I'm glad I sold my Space Marines years and years and YEARS ago, because now I want to build a Primaris Crimson Fists army.

Same here. I kinda want to revisit my Aurora Marines with these new Primaris figures.

I've been toying with a few differant army ideas. maybe a primaris blood ravens or space wolves force...

if you are that concerned with numarines size and them being the right height should normal astartes be phased out then just add more basing to make them the right height just like with the new base size if a tournament demands they be on the new base size I will just blu stuff them on a new base temporarily.

Good luck with your boycott. I'm sure it will shut down GW and they will reverse their decision.