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 BoomWolf wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Awful fluff, awful motivations, ok but stupidly huge and boring minis.

 Greenizbest wrote:
Positive, the old SM models are way too small considering they are supposed to be 8ft tall death machines but are the same height as Imperial Guardsmen.

I wish they would have just replaced the current Marines outright instead of this weirdness in the lore with 2 Marine types.

Why not just replace the guardsmen with smaller ones? They need update anyway, and less people would be affected. New armour and better proportioned marines could have been the same scale as existing ones, just it wouldn't be such a grand cash grab GW loves.

It's a miniatures game, not action man. Everything got smaller now because of moronis marines.

Because people are automatically thinking "MAKE MARINES BIGGA!" and completely neglect that humans (and tau infantry) are far too big in comparison to anything else in the game, including their own vehicles,battlesuits, etc

Agreed

I'd have preferred (if they just wanted bigga muhreens) just downsizing the guardsmen, and giving them non-terrifying proportions.

Other than that, this smells of that ebil AoS stank, this is just Sigmarines in schpess.

...If I put a flamer on an Ultramarine Guillimarine, it is now a Supermarine Spitfire?

(Warning: Horrific)

A lot of the complaints about mary Cawl seem unjustified given how sinister he's supposed to be from the book. I haven't read it because money, but from the synopsis here on dakka, he seems about ready to pull a dark mechanicus number 2 electric boogaloo, and screw everything over in his lust for power. It's also insinuated that he's almost an AI, so maybe it'll be Iron Men 1.2 electric boogaloo. Plus members of the inquisition are obviously trying to end Guilliman. As regards the main stars of this thread, there are primaris from all 20, yes 20, gene-seed stocks, so I can foresee a lot of fun with that.

Am i the only one that thinks the Primaris Captain has the gusset of a middle aged airsoft player?

Mordian2016 wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks the Primaris Captain has the gusset of a middle aged airsoft player?

I can't say I'm a fan of his gut, but otherwise it's a nice model. The ones I really don't like are the Inceptors.

The fluff I'm leaning towards positive with what I've read in Dark Imperium. There's some potentially interesting tension developing between old school marines and the Primaris that's not outright hostility, but certainly suspicion

I love the models and I plan to incorporate regular and Primaris into my army. I wasn't too hot on the Inceptors at first, but they're kind of growing on me. The only one I'm not sure I like is the leaked repulsor, but I might change my mind when I see one up close.

Fluffwise, I have no strong opinion one way or the other. Is it slightly inconsistent if you come up with some contrived lore example it couldn't be done, that you could pull out of your behind if you digged hard enough? Yeah, but then so is virtually everything in 40k. Dark Imperium is a solid addition to the universe as a book and I was quite chuffed with it.

Rules wise, models wise, what GW have done is give people true-scale size models with true-scale rules that they have the option, but not the mandatory obligation to use. Anyone who has ever watched Tactical Marines die like nothing and lose a good demi-company's worth of Marine models over the course of a game knows the rules didn't really do the theme of the marines justice. Whenever I used to play Space Marine mechanised, most of the time I outnumbered the enemy on infantry, not the other way around. Though I'm not the biggest fan of gravis armour/Inceptors I think the Intercessor/Hellblaster marines look fantastic and I'm keen to get mine finished.

I'm neither positive or negative about them. I'm mostly indifferent (they're pretty shoddy units that do things worse than existing SM units) or confused (not sure why they exist or what they're for).

If they actually work as a sales tactic, I'm going to have to reassess how sales work. This is a lateral step that neither creates a need nor fills it. Expansion for the sake of expansion,
both in the one range that is already immensely bloated and in the model size.

Mixed feelings from me, too. I like the new models, but I dont like the fact that the Space Marines have been moved over to the side. Having the GK and DW was ok, because they operated alone, but the new Primaris marines seem kinda weird to me.
The only way to make them make sense is either to say all Primaris marines are just regular marines with new armour and organs, or have them be based on the Primarchs geneseed that Carax found.

They're pretty models, but scale-creep makes baby Khaine cry.

Personally I have to go positive. When I first heard of the Primaris I hated the thought. Space Marines were suppose to be the pinnacle of human warfare. Then I realized narratively that makes brilliant sense. For my jaded Chaos Space Marines, the primaris are a grave insult. I love to hate them. I think the mixed reactions are a great representation of the fluff. Some people like them, some take them because they are tactically expedient, and some refuse them because they spit on tradition. I'll hate them because they are unworthy heirs to the marines that walked with the emperor but I like that they get these reactions.

I will caveat that other lines need a lift too. I'm sure all cult marines will get updates but the eldar, ork, and Imperial Guard could use new infantry models.

People need to relax on Cawl. I think it's evident that both the eldar and Necrons have heavily influenced him. It took Ynnead to bring Guilliman back and Lord Pokeball to explain the pylons to him. Cawl openly admits to having memory gaps especially on the armor. Both of those factions need the humans to be near shields against chaos for now. Personally I think Cawl is there unwitting puppet and in the besieged imperium no one looks too closely at the guy bringing good news. Could anyone really verify he was 10,000 years old? For that matter he could have spent large chunks in the warp to gain that age.

There are so many unit choices that there has never been a model of, ever. And yet here's space marine captain number 4356! Everyone is just burnt out at this point. I'll be dead before they make a warboss in mega armor model. I'm sure we'll get another 4-6 iterations of space marine before plastic aspect warriors come out. In fact, they'll probably just phase out aspect warriors for new super eldar.

They lack the gothic appeal of space marines. They look too sleek and 'tacticool' for my taste. They should be covered in bones and eagles and parchment. I don't want Starcraft.

And they say this edition is all about chaos vs imperium? Chaos haven't created another transport since the rhino in 10,000 years? Seriously we saw all the new Primaris gak coming out but what are chaos getting? Primarch and terminators (what thousand sons got) and nothing that actually helps chaos gameplay wise. You can use primaris with every chapter. You can't with death guard. What are chaos getting in place of the repulsor tank?

edit: to me its not about the lore as much as it is feeding the rich kids that live in the gated community instead of the poor people begging for anything for the last 5 years. Their priorities are all screwed up if you ask me. Space Marines are already insanely popular, 40k isn't dying, they didn't need to reinvent the wheel.

Nu-Marines remind me of Thunder Warriors which in turn reminds of the WWC so I really like them.

Lets see...

Models look nice - check
Story is being advanced - check
Models usefull for conversions and looting (as CSM) - check
Fluff kinda stupid - check

So, that's like 75% good, which is exordinary by GW standards.

 Kosake wrote:
Lets see...

Models look nice - check
Story is being advanced - check
Models usefull for conversions and looting (as CSM) - check
Fluff kinda stupid - check

So, that's like 75% good, which is exordinary by GW standards.

I'd have been satisfied with a 25-50% goodness rating, which is higher than the 0-5% travesty that was all of 6e and 7e.

 Don Savik wrote:

They lack the gothic appeal of space marines. They look too sleek and 'tacticool' for my taste. They should be covered in bones and eagles and parchment. I don't want Starcraft.

Hmm. I'd actually love to see all the junk go.

Their priorities are all screwed up if you ask me. Space Marines are already insanely popular, 40k isn't dying, they didn't need to reinvent the wheel.

This I'll agree with though. They aren't necessary and don't add anything.

Would have much rather seen the eldar lines take the last step away from finecast

I am calling it now. 9th edition GW will discontinue all the old marine lines and rules, only Primaris Marines. They made the fluff allow for "upgrades" so all the special characters can remain.

In any case, if I ever do get any I'm just going to counts-as them as Grey Hunters for Truescale Marines.

Didn't care about Primaris at these last few months but those Rievers (or whatever) actually kick ass. Scouts mixed with Night Lord/Eversor assassin Terror marines?

Sold.

Like the models. As for the lore, it is kind of lame, but they really were in a position where no matter how they did it they were going to get massive hate from some percentage. If they didn't try to shoehorn a lore reason in people would have hated that there was no lore reason.

GW has a customer base that is quite mature i.e. there are a lot of space marine collections out there.However this does not mean that the customer base is saturated.

I have a decent space marine collection. However I really enjoy the buying, building and painting of kits. I would like GW to entice me to spend more money by original releases,or updates for very ancient kits.

The whole Primaris release feels lazy to me. Its half-hearted creativity coupled with half-hearted squatting of existing collections.

Why not create a new xenos race? Dam I'd much rather have the fun of buying that, than slightly bigger nu-marines which will over the next few years replace my slightly smaller old-marines.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Didn't care about Primaris at these last few months but those Rievers (or whatever) actually kick ass. Scouts mixed with Night Lord/Eversor assassin Terror marines?

Sold.

I think you're adding too much to them. They're a bolt pistol/ CCW unit (maybe power weapons) consisting of 3 guys. They'll probably be able to come on the board 9" away from enemies and... pew pew with pistols and probably fail to charge. Like most primaris stuff, they'll lack utility of basic marine units... in this case, assault marines (no jump packs) or maybe vanguard vets.

The fluff is they're even more gigantic giant-sized guys who somehow do stealth ops in primary colors because... magic?

'The sad thing is, because EZ build, there probably won't be a helmet for the sergeant, so instead he gets to hold the idiot ball.



@Mordian. yeah. Something new or filling in the unfinished or finecasted lines would have been a much better way to go. I'm cringing in anticipation of a year of nothing but nu-marines and plague stuff the same way AoS release prompted a year of nothing but sigmarines and blood-blooding blood guys.

fluff was hamfisted, but overall positive. gives more variety to playing marines even if it is just elite space marine space marines.

looing forward to the new kits and have built/ am getting th epaitn jobs polished off on 4 dark imperium sets worth

I'm thinking I will enjoy letting my Avatar of Khaine stab some Xtra Speshul Snowflakes. The more people move to high-cost-per-model units, the more my Avatar will have field days.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
fluff was hamfisted, but overall positive. gives more variety to playing marines even if it is just elite space marine space marines.

looing forward to the new kits and have built/ am getting th epaitn jobs polished off on 4 dark imperium sets worth

Fluffs pretty new, give GW a year to begin fleshing it out, and I think we might see some good stuff. I mean take standard space Marines, pair it down to a single paragraph of text, and they can also seem well lazy and lame.

are reivers any more absurd as stealth troops then space marine scouts? ... or raven guard anything for that matter?

I like the models. I just wish they rolled them out as Mark iX armor (or Mark X if you really needed to skip a version) and left it at that. I don't see any need to have had a secret, 10,000 year old project to produce new Marines that has never seen the light of day during any previous cataclysm.

If you'd rolled it out as a new armor mark demanded by Guilliman from the forges of Mars, and some new 'revisions' to the Codex penned by the author himself, I would have been totally happy with it. My problems are all with the jarring disruption to the fluff.

I would be even more upset, but I play orks, so what the hell do I care? Different beakies to krump.

BrianDavion wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
fluff was hamfisted, but overall positive. gives more variety to playing marines even if it is just elite space marine space marines.

looing forward to the new kits and have built/ am getting th epaitn jobs polished off on 4 dark imperium sets worth

Fluffs pretty new, give GW a year to begin fleshing it out, and I think we might see some good stuff. I mean take standard space Marines, pair it down to a single paragraph of text, and they can also seem well lazy and lame.

are reivers any more absurd as stealth troops then space marine scouts? ... or raven guard anything for that matter?

Or Orky Purple?

Or hows about the fact that sometimes in 40k you can hide Baneblades behind lamp posts?

Implausibility will never stop GW!

Yuk its getting worse with these 'Aggressors'

I really hate Primaris

Mordian2016 wrote:
Yuk its getting worse with these 'Aggressors'

I really hate Primaris

It does not help that GW keeps trying to get away from the Grimdark Gothic aspect that 40k used to have.

EDIT: Had a look at the box art. Actually gagged at how awful they look.



EDIT 2: It's Centurimarines all over again.

Primaris inside your Primaris, anyone?

Aggressors look a bit weird, but nowhere near as horrible as the Centurions. The main problem is the disproportionately huge power fists. I already ordered a bunch of Tartaros power fists to fix that...

The Aggressors look kinda cute, actually.