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str00dles1 wrote:


Under the same main faction because it is easier. Keywords are for future special abilities. Forgeworld is going to release a index "soon" that has all 30k admech in it to be used in 40k. That and what we have from GW is plenty. I wouldn't expect anything new admech for literally years after that unless forgeworld makes some one off thing.

true, fires of cyraxus is going to give us a lot of 30k goodies, which is always a good thing but GW has demonstrated in the past that they can rapidly bring out a lot of books in a short time span. I'm expecting that after release of 8th we will have some AoS releases, and maby in the fall/winter a lot of 40K releases. At least a few of them codexes, with SM guaranteed among them. With a bit of luck, we might actually get one too.

str00dles1 wrote:

What do you mean Cawl debacle? Because he is Mars? I guess it could be bothersome if you built a admech army from another world, but you can just say cawls "mars" is whatever planet you want til a codex comes out. Even then, who cares. Only may matter with sticklers from tourneys, but casual games they can all be from omega gama prime plutos forgeworld. *shrug*

Metalica here. So I am going to run my Cawl until the Codex drops, but if I have to choose between fluffy Metalica rules that might be decent, but have no HQ option beyond the TPD, I might be a bit annoyed. See my issue? It isn't that I can't count-as Mars - no one local to me would care. It is just that I wonder if I will get caught up with options without options, if that makes sense.

I'm actually really curious to see the Forge World-40k rules for the 30k AdMech flyer as it potentially fills a gaping hole in our lists.

 Gitsplitta wrote:
I'm actually really curious to see the Forge World-40k rules for the 30k AdMech flyer as it potentially fills a gaping hole in our lists.

AdMech flyer? The Vultarax?

So I switched around some options and now it looks something like this:
Batallion Detachment
Cawl
TPD (Volkite, Macrostubber)
5 Skitarii Vanguard
5 Skitarii Vanguard
5 Skitarii Vanguard
5 Sicarian Infiltrators (Stubcarbine and Power Swords)
Cybernetica Datasmith
2 Kastelan Robots (Tripple HP)
Onager Dunecrawler (Neutron)
Onager Dunecrawler (Icarus)
2 Sydonian Dragoons (Taser Lance)

Super Heavy Auxiliary Detachment
Knight Crusader (Gatling,Thermal, Heavy Stubber, Heavy Flamer)


Changes: Ruststalkers, Battle Cannon and Infiltrator Taser Lances and Flachettes are out. TPD and Thermal Cannon are in. Got the Batallion Detachment but lack actual model count. Playing Demons tonight so we'll see how that goes.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
I'm actually really curious to see the Forge World-40k rules for the 30k AdMech flyer as it potentially fills a gaping hole in our lists.

AdMech flyer? The Vultarax?

Yeah.... the thing that looks like it belongs in a Nurgle army...

 Gitsplitta wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
I'm actually really curious to see the Forge World-40k rules for the 30k AdMech flyer as it potentially fills a gaping hole in our lists.

AdMech flyer? The Vultarax?

Yeah.... the thing that looks like it belongs in a Nurgle army...

Well, I am not holding my breath for any 40k rules for 30k stuff. I will believe it when I see it... but if they do, I will gladly buy them. Gorgeous models all around.

FW will be releasing it this month.

Iago40k wrote:
So I switched around some options and now it looks something like this:
Batallion Detachment
Cawl
TPD (Volkite, Macrostubber)
5 Skitarii Vanguard
5 Skitarii Vanguard
5 Skitarii Vanguard
5 Sicarian Infiltrators (Stubcarbine and Power Swords)
Cybernetica Datasmith
2 Kastelan Robots (Tripple HP)
Onager Dunecrawler (Neutron)
Onager Dunecrawler (Icarus)
2 Sydonian Dragoons (Taser Lance)

Super Heavy Auxiliary Detachment
Knight Crusader (Gatling,Thermal, Heavy Stubber, Heavy Flamer)


Changes: Ruststalkers, Battle Cannon and Infiltrator Taser Lances and Flachettes are out. TPD and Thermal Cannon are in. Got the Batallion Detachment but lack actual model count. Playing Demons tonight so we'll see how that goes.

Literally my list at 1850
And you're going against daemons? Should be easy as cake. Go easy on him :p
And tell us how it went

I can't see if anyone posted or talked about this already, but have we all noticed that our canticles (while nerfed) are chosen and take effect at the beginning of the battle round?

This means even if we don't get first turn, we can have shroudpsalm up for that sweet cover bonus to weather the first turn of enemy shooting. That seems pretty huge to me.

Are there other benefits of always calling the canticle at the start of the round?

Related: does shroudpsalm affect Kastelans? Looking for that tasty 1+ armor in their base protocol - I know the 1 always fails but it makes AP-1 guns effectively do nothing!

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

Literally my list at 1850
And you're going against daemons? Should be easy as cake. Go easy on him :p
And tell us how it went

What a coincidence

 NobledukeofGork wrote:
I can't see if anyone posted or talked about this already, but have we all noticed that our canticles (while nerfed) are chosen and take effect at the beginning of the battle round?

This means even if we don't get first turn, we can have shroudpsalm up for that sweet cover bonus to weather the first turn of enemy shooting. That seems pretty huge to me.

Are there other benefits of always calling the canticle at the start of the round?

Related: does shroudpsalm affect Kastelans? Looking for that tasty 1+ armor in their base protocol - I know the 1 always fails but it makes AP-1 guns effectively do nothing!

Yes I did, trust me.
And yes it does. Why wouldn't it?

 NobledukeofGork wrote:


Related: does shroudpsalm affect Kastelans? Looking for that tasty 1+ armor in their base protocol - I know the 1 always fails but it makes AP-1 guns effectively do nothing!

From what I can tell, yes they would essentially have a 1+ Armor Save.

Just wanted to post my 750 list here, see if any improvements can be made. Although Skittari is pretty dang limited in the lower points.

HQ:
x1 Tech-Priest Dominus - 135

Elite:
x1 Datasmith - 52

Heavy:
x2 Kastelans w/ x3 Heavy Phosphor - 220
x1 Onager w/ Neutron Laser & Cognis Heavy Stubber - 143

Troops:
x2 10 Vanguard - 200

 Gitsplitta wrote:
FW will be releasing it this month.

Source? I severely doubt Fires will release this year, let alone this month.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Jackal444 wrote:
Well, we CAN get some cheap HQ. There's an issue however. Some Imperium HQs are cheap. We lose canticles. Note: we're the only faction to LOSE the faction benefits for bringing in an ally in the same detachment. Also we lose every inch of fluff left in admech.

Yea, annoyed with that myself. GW really gutted this faction.

People wanted them in one book.

People got what they wanted. I wanted them to stay separate.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Jackal444 wrote:
Well, we CAN get some cheap HQ. There's an issue however. Some Imperium HQs are cheap. We lose canticles. Note: we're the only faction to LOSE the faction benefits for bringing in an ally in the same detachment. Also we lose every inch of fluff left in admech.

Yea, annoyed with that myself. GW really gutted this faction.

People wanted them in one book.

People got what they wanted. I wanted them to stay separate.

That really has nothing to do with what they did. I am talking fluffy rules.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
FW will be releasing it this month.

Source? I severely doubt Fires will release this year, let alone this month.

I believe they did mention at the warhammer fest that it would be this year, but nothing more specific than that

DjPyro3 wrote:
Just wanted to post my 750 list here, see if any improvements can be made. Although Skittari is pretty dang limited in the lower points.

HQ:
x1 Tech-Priest Dominus - 135

Elite:
x1 Datasmith - 52

Heavy:
x2 Kastelans w/ x3 Heavy Phosphor - 220
x1 Onager w/ Neutron Laser & Cognis Heavy Stubber - 143

Troops:
x2 10 Vanguard - 200

There should be a stickied post with "stop taking non 5-man skitarii squads and kataphrons" :p

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
I'm actually really curious to see the Forge World-40k rules for the 30k AdMech flyer as it potentially fills a gaping hole in our lists.

AdMech flyer? The Vultarax?

Yeah.... the thing that looks like it belongs in a Nurgle army...

Well, I am not holding my breath for any 40k rules for 30k stuff. I will believe it when I see it... but if they do, I will gladly buy them. Gorgeous models all around.

Fw confirmed at warhammer fest that's whats happening and the book should come this month also. No specific date given for this month though.

AdMech vs Craftworlds on Twitch, folks. Just something to take a watch and see the rules in action.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
AdMech vs Craftworlds on Twitch, folks. Just something to take a watch and see the rules in action.

God, I hate the commentators.
Wouldn't it be awesome if someone took 50 robots
Wouldn't it be awesome if someone took 15 heldrakes
wouldn't it be-SHUT UP. NO. IT WOULDN'T. Why is spam encouraged every time they talk over a battle. Spam is NOT fun. No. Stop it. No.

Wouldn't it be nice if they stopped calling Kastellans "Castellax", and the Magos Dominus "Archmagos"? Seriously, the GW plastic models don't deserve to be mistaken for the essence of perfection that is the resin FW Mechanicum ones.

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 Verviedi wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
FW will be releasing it this month.

Source? I severely doubt Fires will release this year, let alone this month.

Email from FW in my inbox. "Coming later this month..."

 Gitsplitta wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
FW will be releasing it this month.

Source? I severely doubt Fires will release this year, let alone this month.

Email from FW in my inbox. "Coming later this month..."

And I just can't seem to believe it. Fires has been dragged out so long now, I can't imagine seeing it released!

Well the reason it was delayed was to get it ready for 8th, why release it when they'd just have to redo it again?


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 Verviedi wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if they stopped calling Kastellans "Castellax", and the Magos Dominus "Archmagos"? Seriously, the GW plastic models don't deserve to be mistaken for the essence of perfection that is the resin FW Mechanicum ones.

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I disagree, the 40k Dominus looks much better than either of the FW Magos weird caterpillar models.

But the Castellax do look better than Kastellans

 Verviedi wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if they stopped calling Kastellans "Castellax", and the Magos Dominus "Archmagos"? Seriously, the GW plastic models don't deserve to be mistaken for the essence of perfection that is the resin FW Mechanicum ones.

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I was joking but cool I mean, it's the truth :p
Although "massive" maybe is overstating it xD Kataphrons are great in a vacuum. But AdMech isn't a "vacuum" they are just worse and more expensive and cover the same roles as Kastelans and Onagers

I was thinking it over in my head on why 10 man squads were so bad, and then I remembered Battleshock and their awful leadership lol.

I'm kind of surprised they didn't give us more ways to re-roll or improve leadership beyond one piece of equipment and one canticle we can reliably use once.

DjPyro3 wrote:
I was thinking it over in my head on why 10 man squads were so bad, and then I remembered Battleshock and their awful leadership lol.

I'm kind of surprised they didn't give us more ways to re-roll or improve leadership beyond one piece of equipment and one canticle we can reliably use once.

Right? A faction who has the portions of their brains that respond to fear removed are just such pushovers.

So I just realized the Kastellens don't have a rule to ignore the heavy movement restriction. This isn't a problem with the double shooting protocol, but I just played a game where they had to keep moving and missed most their shots
I think its ridiculous that our big robots that are walking effigies to the omnissiah, with guns built into their arms, are less able to wield heavy weapons than servitors on tracks!

Talking about battle servitors - they are the worst now. So many points for such little effect. I took the heavy arc against Tau to take down devilfish and they wounded on 5s! I looked through the guard index and realized how bad the arc weapons are agaonst vehicles at toughness 7. I would rather take torsion cannons. Still d6, but against everything AND easier to wound. Just much less shots. I havn't tried grav yet but for the cost I could have much better units.