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Against horde, you definitely want to keep your Datasmith and Kastelans alive...

Sounds like he left more than 9" open behind them is the problem? So deepstrike into his backfield

it was the callidus, sorry.

I've learned to ask if anything or anyone in their army can deep strike at under 9" like the Callidus just to make sure for my bubbles

0 AdMech in the Nova invitational, hope the Codex throws us a bone

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
0 AdMech in the Nova invitational, hope the Codex throws us a bone

I look forward to the day when all Codices are out and 8th has most of the bugs worked out. Then I might pay attention to tournaments again. Right now, it is pretty abysmal. I know a guy who is taking Mortar Spam and others taking Assassin Spam and its just like, why are you playing 40k?

Jackal444 wrote:
I've learned to ask if anything or anyone in their army can deep strike at under 9" like the Callidus just to make sure for my bubbles

Can you deep strike into someones deployment zone after the first turn if there is more than a 9" hole?

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
0 AdMech in the Nova invitational, hope the Codex throws us a bone

I look forward to the day when all Codices are out and 8th has most of the bugs worked out. Then I might pay attention to tournaments again. Right now, it is pretty abysmal. I know a guy who is taking Mortar Spam and others taking Assassin Spam and its just like, why are you playing 40k?

"To win" I assume

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
0 AdMech in the Nova invitational, hope the Codex throws us a bone

I look forward to the day when all Codices are out and 8th has most of the bugs worked out. Then I might pay attention to tournaments again. Right now, it is pretty abysmal. I know a guy who is taking Mortar Spam and others taking Assassin Spam and its just like, why are you playing 40k?

"To win" I assume

Then play Call of Duty or MtG or something without a hobby component. I guess that is just my bias, but I see the hardcore WAAC tourney crowd as mostly awful. I also spent over a decade playing Magic and have seen how nasty the high-end tourney crowd can get and just a big "no thanks" to all that.

Jaynen wrote:

Jackal444 wrote:
I've learned to ask if anything or anyone in their army can deep strike at under 9" like the Callidus just to make sure for my bubbles

Can you deep strike into someones deployment zone after the first turn if there is more than a 9" hole?

For sure - if they give you the opening, you can exploit it. Make sure to have your units equally spaced out to cover those 9" bubbles and block deep strikers behind your lines.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
0 AdMech in the Nova invitational, hope the Codex throws us a bone

I look forward to the day when all Codices are out and 8th has most of the bugs worked out. Then I might pay attention to tournaments again. Right now, it is pretty abysmal. I know a guy who is taking Mortar Spam and others taking Assassin Spam and its just like, why are you playing 40k?

"To win" I assume

Then play Call of Duty or MtG or something without a hobby component. I guess that is just my bias, but I see the hardcore WAAC tourney crowd as mostly awful. I also spent over a decade playing Magic and have seen how nasty the high-end tourney crowd can get and just a big "no thanks" to all that.

I'd say people can play whatever they want competitivelly.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
0 AdMech in the Nova invitational, hope the Codex throws us a bone

I look forward to the day when all Codices are out and 8th has most of the bugs worked out. Then I might pay attention to tournaments again. Right now, it is pretty abysmal. I know a guy who is taking Mortar Spam and others taking Assassin Spam and its just like, why are you playing 40k?

"To win" I assume

Then play Call of Duty or MtG or something without a hobby component. I guess that is just my bias, but I see the hardcore WAAC tourney crowd as mostly awful. I also spent over a decade playing Magic and have seen how nasty the high-end tourney crowd can get and just a big "no thanks" to all that.

I'd say people can play whatever they want competitivelly.

And that is the beauty of opinions. We all have them and they can be different.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


And that is the beauty of opinions. We all have them and they can be different.

Ironically, a lot of the lists seem to be preparing for other horde decks through volume of fire. AdMech and Knights have surprisingly decent win rates in the meta. (Unfortunately, tournament results are decided by streaks, not win rates.)

Oh, and link to lists:
https://mismatchedplay.com/2017/08/31/nova-invitational-lists/

Suzuteo wrote:
Ironically, a lot of the lists seem to be preparing for other horde decks through volume of fire. AdMech and Knights have surprisingly decent win rates in the meta. (Unfortunately, tournament results are decided by streaks, not win rates.)

Oh, and link to lists:
https://mismatchedplay.com/2017/08/31/nova-invitational-lists/

Loving that Reece took Lias. That is a project I am waiting on for official FW support, but can't wait to build, though our lists are vastly different. Curious how Lias does.

Juice (Stephen Fore) is the guy with the mortars I was talking about. Wonder how he will do. That is a LOT of dice to roll. To me, that list looks so incredibly boring, but he is a consummate tourney player, so he doesn't care! He is selling it as soon as Nova is over!

Long time lurker here. Just played my first game with Ad Mech tonight, and I absolutely loved it. This is the list I played:


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [60 PL, 1250pts] ++

+ HQ +

Belisarius Cawl [13 PL, 250pts]

+ Troops +

Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 75pts]
. Ranger (Transuranic Arquebus): Transuranic arquebus
. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle
. 3x Skitarii Ranger

+ Elites +

Cybernetica Datasmith [3 PL, 52pts]: Gamma pistol, Power fist

+ Fast Attack +

Ironstrider Ballistarii [4 PL, 95pts]
. Ironstrider Ballistarius: Twin Cognis Lascannon

Sydonian Dragoons [6 PL, 136pts]
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance

Sydonian Dragoons [6 PL, 136pts]
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance

+ Heavy Support +

Kastelan Robots [12 PL, 220pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster

Onager Dunecrawler [6 PL, 143pts]: Smoke Launchers
. Neutron laser & cognis heavy Stubber: Cognis heavy stubber, Neutron Laser

Onager Dunecrawler [6 PL, 143pts]: Smoke Launchers
. Neutron laser & cognis heavy Stubber: Cognis heavy stubber, Neutron Laser

++ Total: [60 PL, 1250pts] ++

Without going into a lot of detail, I played and beat Druhkari. The MVPs of the match were the Neutronagers, Robots, and Dragoons. The Ballistarri and Rangers were a last minute addition because I was unable to finish construction of my 3rd Onager. What do you guys think of the list? It felt very solid, and I will likely be playing lists very close to this one going forward.

A core of Belisarius Cawl + Robots + Neutron Onagers seems very solid to me and I intend to take it in basically every list I make.

KampfKrote wrote:
Long time lurker here. Just played my first game with Ad Mech tonight, and I absolutely loved it. This is the list I played:

Spoiler:

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [60 PL, 1250pts] ++

+ HQ +

Belisarius Cawl [13 PL, 250pts]

+ Troops +

Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 75pts]
. Ranger (Transuranic Arquebus): Transuranic arquebus
. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle
. 3x Skitarii Ranger

+ Elites +

Cybernetica Datasmith [3 PL, 52pts]: Gamma pistol, Power fist

+ Fast Attack +

Ironstrider Ballistarii [4 PL, 95pts]
. Ironstrider Ballistarius: Twin Cognis Lascannon

Sydonian Dragoons [6 PL, 136pts]
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance

Sydonian Dragoons [6 PL, 136pts]
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance

+ Heavy Support +

Kastelan Robots [12 PL, 220pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster

Onager Dunecrawler [6 PL, 143pts]: Smoke Launchers
. Neutron laser & cognis heavy Stubber: Cognis heavy stubber, Neutron Laser

Onager Dunecrawler [6 PL, 143pts]: Smoke Launchers
. Neutron laser & cognis heavy Stubber: Cognis heavy stubber, Neutron Laser

++ Total: [60 PL, 1250pts] ++

Without going into a lot of detail, I played and beat Druhkari. The MVPs of the match were the Neutronagers, Robots, and Dragoons. The Ballistarri and Rangers were a last minute addition because I was unable to finish construction of my 3rd Onager. What do you guys think of the list? It felt very solid, and I will likely be playing lists very close to this one going forward.

You only can have two Fast Attack squadrons in a Spearhead detachment. (I made the same mistake before. Haha.)

If you're expanding toward 2000 points, I would definitely look into adding 2 Kastelans and 2 Icarus Crawlers.

Nice list and it will provide wins. Dont forget point wise.
1) ballistari with lashc. Are good but onager better? So use them only if you need the h slot or playing till 1500. Same goes for destroyer. You can use a plasma squad in lower point games for mobile robots with a dominus and overcharge.
2 ) as you build on point you should definetly consider a third robot. Or a second group. More onagers. And ofc some short of meat shield. Imperial gard works for me. Cause i also use tempestus. Cheap deep strike.
3) Another important aspect you need to start considering is command points. Might not be visible now but its clear if you follow a bit the upcoming changes. Cheap astra militarum hq s can provide enough to work with.
4 ) considering all i v said so far i strongly suggest . Core Ad mech + counter unit( f priest or rustalkers). Core has minimum 4 onagers 3-4 robots 2 dragoons priest . Then maybe 2 battalions for command points one meat shield and one deep strike. Always abjust wih playstyle and personal pref.

5) if you going ad mech fluff - solo. You might need to consider
A) melee robots
B) mpre dragoons
C) infiltrators
D) 10 man vanguard and a combi or broad spectrum.
E) point wise wont be as effective obviously. And as we grow points in games more enemy optios create big issues. Like how you gonna deal with ig spam or any spam. You ll need 4 robots and 2 icarus onager min. How to deal with an alpha strike. Need meat shield and counter units. And finally how younll win on objectves. Obviously some fast dragoons usually screening not running and at leasr some deep strike.

Hope i helped you a bit to organise your expansion.

I think everything would be improved if we didn't have to play 2000-point games. Instead, we should bring up to 2500 points, but we only deploy 1250 or less of it on the board.

Any suggestions on this list???


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [105 PL, 1998pts] ++

+ HQ +

Belisarius Cawl [13 PL, 250pts]

Tech-Priest Dominus [7 PL, 139pts]: Phosphor Serpenta, Volkite Blaster

+ Troops +

Skitarii Rangers [8 PL, 127pts]: Omnispex
. 2x Ranger (Transuranic Arquebus): 2x Transuranic arquebus
. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle
. 4x Skitarii Ranger

Skitarii Vanguards [4 PL, 59pts]: Enhanced data-tether, 4x Skitarii Vanguard
. Vanguard Alpha: Radium Carbine

Skitarii Vanguards [4 PL, 59pts]: Enhanced data-tether, 4x Skitarii Vanguard
. Vanguard Alpha: Radium Carbine

+ Elites +

Cybernetica Datasmith [3 PL, 52pts]: Gamma pistol, Power fist

Sicarian Infiltrators [6 PL, 130pts]
. Infiltrator Princeps
. . Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
. Sicarian Infiltrator
. . Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
. Sicarian Infiltrator
. . Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
. Sicarian Infiltrator
. . Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
. Sicarian Infiltrator
. . Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad

+ Heavy Support +

Kastelan Robots [12 PL, 220pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster

Kastelan Robots [12 PL, 220pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster

Kastelan Robots [12 PL, 220pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster

Kastelan Robots [12 PL, 220pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster

Onager Dunecrawler [6 PL, 151pts]: Broad Spectrum Data-tether, Cognis heavy stubber
. Neutron laser & cognis heavy Stubber: Cognis heavy stubber, Neutron Laser

Onager Dunecrawler [6 PL, 151pts]: Broad Spectrum Data-tether, Cognis heavy stubber
. Neutron laser & cognis heavy Stubber: Cognis heavy stubber, Neutron Laser

++ Total: [105 PL, 1998pts] ++

Drop the TDP, Rangers and Vanguard for better stuff.

Drop a group of Robots add an icarus onager. 10 shots still. Drop also the vanguards and get 2 *2 dragoons. If you get extra points try a secomd datasmith with so many robots. Tpd no need!!

An interesting point my opponent raised today:
For determining Canticles, one can either, for the entire match, pick one, or roll for them.
I always saw it as being able to mix and match picking and rolling.

"At the start of each battle round, [you can pick the canticle]. Alternatively, [you can roll for it]".
-----

On another note: Belisarius with Torsion Breachers with fething ridiculous.

Your opponent is dumb.

You can mix and match rolling and picking. The rule for rolling just states "Alternatively, you can randomly determine which Canticle is in effect by rolling a D6 and consulting the table below." This is brought up after the rules for picking which state "At the start of each battle round" you can pick. The "Alternatively" is in regards to picking when you choose your Canticle each round, not for the whole game. I've no idea how someone could interpret any of this as being "you get to pick or roll, but you don't get to do both over the course of the game".

So I don't need troops if I spam Kastelans???

 The_Savior wrote:
So I don't need troops if I spam Kastelans???

Nope. Though don't spam too many. They are good, but you will want room for Dunecrawlers and Dragoons.

 Buddingsquaw wrote:
An interesting point my opponent raised today:
For determining Canticles, one can either, for the entire match, pick one, or roll for them.
I always saw it as being able to mix and match picking and rolling.

"At the start of each battle round, [you can pick the canticle]. Alternatively, [you can roll for it]".
-----

On another note: Belisarius with Torsion Breachers with fething ridiculous.

I can understand his misinterpretation. However, recent FAQ and clarified this. You may pick or roll. And do whichever on any turn you please.

So I've got my starting 1000pt list ( Cawl, 2 Tech-Priest Domini, 2 Ten Man Ranger Squads and 2 Onager Dunestalkers ) what should I add next Kataphron Destroyers, Fulgurite Electro-Priests or Sicarian Infiltrators?