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That Static Pslam-code is a pretty big deal, since it lets you enhance shooters at the edge of your Deep Strike denial radius.

Two Canticles is meh. Just a higher chance to get Shroudpsalm. However, if they buff Canticles...

That Wrath of Mars is insane. It solves out mortal wounds problem with 2 CP.

Anyhow, with the Forgeworld Warlord traits, I am now holding out more hope for new Warlords using existing models and command squads.

"Corpuscarii Electro-Priests can throw out a terrifying amount of firepower; a unit of 20 with re-rolls to hit from Belisarius Cawl being nearby will inflict, on average, a colossal 80 strength 5 hits on any given enemy unit; combine this with the Wrath of Mars stratagem and you’ll deal an additional 13(!) mortal wounds as well as any other damage! "

And they will never get in range with their 6'' movement, 3 toughness, 5++/5+++, 12'' weapons

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
And they will never get in range with their 6'' movement, 3 toughness, 5++/5+++, 12'' weapons

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
And they will never get in range with their 6'' movement, 3 toughness, 5++/5+++, 12'' weapons

Right because bloodletters daemons never get in range of anything with their 6" movement, 3 toughness, 5++, and melee range weapons.

 Arkaine wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
And they will never get in range with their 6'' movement, 3 toughness, 5++/5+++, 12'' weapons

Right because bloodletters daemons never get in range of anything with their 6" movement, 3 toughness, 5++, and melee range weapons.

Exactly, they don't. I see you're catching on.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 Arkaine wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
And they will never get in range with their 6'' movement, 3 toughness, 5++/5+++, 12'' weapons

Right because bloodletters daemons never get in range of anything with their 6" movement, 3 toughness, 5++, and melee range weapons.

Exactly, they don't. I see you're catching on.

Spoiler:

Unless they get summoned, which is exactly the point because AdMech don't have anything like that.... yet

Clearly you haven't played against daemons.

 Arkaine wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 Arkaine wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
And they will never get in range with their 6'' movement, 3 toughness, 5++/5+++, 12'' weapons

Right because bloodletters daemons never get in range of anything with their 6" movement, 3 toughness, 5++, and melee range weapons.

Exactly, they don't. I see you're catching on.

Spoiler:

Unless they get summoned, which is exactly the point because AdMech don't have anything like that.... yet

Clearly you haven't played against daemons.

I PLAY daemons. I brought 60 blood letters as a joke to teach a new player. 50 died turn 1. 10 died turn 2

Then I played them in reserve and destroyed everyone I've faced.

LOL, you're claiming 50 died on the first turn. Try not bringing nothing but a 60 bloodletter list. They have the same toughness and a marginally better save than conscripts yet even those don't evaporate 50 per turn. If your enemy wants to decimate the bloodletters to the man, hit him with what he didn't shoot at. Clearly the greatest threat on your field was a few packs of troops. That's not the unit's fault.

Jfc humans....

 Arkaine wrote:
LOL, you're claiming 50 died on the first turn. Try not bringing nothing but a 60 bloodletter list. They have the same toughness and a marginally better save than conscripts yet even those don't evaporate 50 per turn. If your enemy wants to decimate the bloodletters to the man, hit him with what he didn't shoot at. Clearly the greatest threat on your field was a few packs of troops. That's not the unit's fault.

Um.. It was a 3k pts list. So yes, I brought more than just 60 letters lol. Except everyone with half a brain knows they are one of the strongest units damage/pts wise and will direct any anti-horde weapons into them. How about 90 str 4 shots with re-rolls. Also Bloodthrister died turn 1 too so the bloodletters died to morale.

For comparison and everyone raving about genestealers: Bloodletters are 25% better than them in melee damage wise. They just need to get there - oh hi summoning.

Humans stop arguing and use math and test results. Goddamn

Initially after these previews nothing for my list so far changes much, but the list certainly does improve.

Spearhead Detachment
Cawl
2x DataSmith
2x2 Phosphor Kastellans
Onager with Icarus

Vanguard Detachment
Greyfax
Culexus
Culexus
Culexus
Eversor
Eversor

SuperHeavy Auxilary
Knight Crusader, BattleCannon and Stormspear rocket pod

Barring any points changes I will now be able to spread out my Kastellans a bit more, almost guarantee shroudpsalm for them and drop a stratagem or two for mortal wounds. The list has been good so far, but not world-beating, this should bring it solidly into mid-tier in my mind.

Where is your anti tank? .... oh the knight

linds14sr20det wrote:
Initially after these previews nothing for my list so far changes much, but the list certainly does improve.

Spearhead Detachment
Cawl
2x DataSmith
2x2 Phosphor Kastellans
Onager with Icarus

Vanguard Detachment
Greyfax
Culexus
Culexus
Culexus
Eversor
Eversor

SuperHeavy Auxilary
Knight Crusader, BattleCannon and Stormspear rocket pod

Barring any points changes I will now be able to spread out my Kastellans a bit more, almost guarantee shroudpsalm for them and drop a stratagem or two for mortal wounds. The list has been good so far, but not world-beating, this should bring it solidly into mid-tier in my mind.

I am leaning towards actually combining my Kastellans together to make use of that new strategem. Six Kastellans together throwing mortal wounds out for 2CP will be useful. Just got to be extra cautious screening them. With Cawl's increased bubble, we can spread out a bit more, which may prove useful.

On an aside, you don't need 2 Datasmiths really. One should suffice. And if rumors are to be believed, Cawl/TPD/Enginseers can repair Knights for 1W a turn now. Allegedly.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

-snip-

I am leaning towards actually combining my Kastellans together to make use of that new strategem. Six Kastellans together throwing mortal wounds out for 2CP will be useful. Just got to be extra cautious screening them. With Cawl's increased bubble, we can spread out a bit more, which may prove useful.

-snip-

Converting your Metallica stuff to Mars?

bortass wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

-snip-

I am leaning towards actually combining my Kastellans together to make use of that new strategem. Six Kastellans together throwing mortal wounds out for 2CP will be useful. Just got to be extra cautious screening them. With Cawl's increased bubble, we can spread out a bit more, which may prove useful.

-snip-

Converting your Metallica stuff to Mars?

Running the rules as Mars when I feel like using my Metalicawl(TM)

I bought him, painted him white, and will be gosh darned if I don't use him!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

bortass wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

-snip-

I am leaning towards actually combining my Kastellans together to make use of that new strategem. Six Kastellans together throwing mortal wounds out for 2CP will be useful. Just got to be extra cautious screening them. With Cawl's increased bubble, we can spread out a bit more, which may prove useful.

-snip-

Converting your Metallica stuff to Mars?

Running the rules as Mars when I feel like using my Metalicawl(TM)

I bought him, painted him white, and will be gosh darned if I don't use him!

Heresy! lol, I figured as much.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

linds14sr20det wrote:
Initially after these previews nothing for my list so far changes much, but the list certainly does improve.

Spearhead Detachment
Cawl
2x DataSmith
2x2 Phosphor Kastellans
Onager with Icarus

Vanguard Detachment
Greyfax
Culexus
Culexus
Culexus
Eversor
Eversor

SuperHeavy Auxilary
Knight Crusader, BattleCannon and Stormspear rocket pod

Barring any points changes I will now be able to spread out my Kastellans a bit more, almost guarantee shroudpsalm for them and drop a stratagem or two for mortal wounds. The list has been good so far, but not world-beating, this should bring it solidly into mid-tier in my mind.

I am leaning towards actually combining my Kastellans together to make use of that new strategem. Six Kastellans together throwing mortal wounds out for 2CP will be useful. Just got to be extra cautious screening them. With Cawl's increased bubble, we can spread out a bit more, which may prove useful.

On an aside, you don't need 2 Datasmiths really. One should suffice. And if rumors are to be believed, Cawl/TPD/Enginseers can repair Knights for 1W a turn now. Allegedly.

I've found 2 datasmiths to be surprisingly useful. My knight and assassins tend to take the pressure off of the kastellans enough that I've actually needed to swap the protocols AWAY from double shoot, so I could move them onto objectives. They can also can do a bit of screening if things are going sideways. It also gives me a lot of healing to toss around. Not saying it's the best way to go, but certainly not awful having two.

gendoikari87 wrote:
Humans stop arguing and use math and test results. Goddamn

Nobody is going to listen to the person that suggested using Tactical Marines as a better blocker than Dragoons. Please leave.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Humans stop arguing and use math and test results. Goddamn

Nobody is going to listen to the person that suggested using Tactical Marines as a better blocker than Dragoons. Please leave.

Got to love the ignore function for guys like that.

Say what you want a tac squad won't die to a single lascannon shot and they can shoot back

If they let us have double Avenger on the Mechanicum Knight, we'll never have to field robots again. 24 rerollable S6 AP2 2D shots, not to mention the dual Heavy Flamers, Heavy Stubber, and Stormspear Rockets...



Deus Mechanicus vult!

gendoikari87 wrote:
Say what you want a tac squad won't die to a single lascannon shot and they can shoot back

Wanna provide that math for that please?

Multi damage weapons are a thing now and six wounds in a single model can be fragile


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Also damage 2 autocannon hurt when you only got a 4+ to begin with

gendoikari87 wrote:
Multi damage weapons are a thing now and six wounds in a single model can be fragile


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Also damage 2 autocannon hurt when you only got a 4+ to begin with

You're not providing the math again.

I wonder this myself tbh... I mean people on here saying dragoons being the best bubblewrap we have for the points, but they have less shots and less attacks than standard troops like vanguard, and they will die super fast to multi-wound weapons (which are extremely common now).

Why would I why you can't understand is? Xp

 MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
Still surprised no-one has tried a combo of Crawl with Corpus Eletro Priests; I would have thought all those re-rolls with exploding 6s would be a great way to deal with the horde meta/anything within 18" (or more, since they'd still be very effective even running - though they would lose out on the exploding 6s)

Ok this is 100% something that needs to be tried now...

Also syndonians have no guns and in that regard tacos are infinitely better... literally as you can't divide by zero.