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Holy Christ. Killed gazghul 7 nobz a big mek and a unit of trukkboys in overwatch , With 3 kastelans.

still lost because 2 orks were still left on the table, a nob and one of the trukk boys and they grabbed some objectives but goddamn that was fun.

It is now the OP updating time, which means new official tactical entries for the new Codex. I’d like to enlist your help in writing new and complete entries for each unit, so I can mash them together and put them in OP. I’ll work on writing my own data for this task, and post my first impressions when I read my book.

 Verviedi wrote:
It is now the OP updating time, which means new official tactical entries for the new Codex. I’d like to enlist your help in writing new and complete entries for each unit, so I can mash them together and put them in OP. I’ll work on writing my own data for this task, and post my first impressions when I read my book.

new thread?

Wulfey wrote:

I do think it is obviously going to be close. What do you think the target priority should be? The player who double shoots first should ... I think distribute their robot shots across many units? As much as robots are devastating, they are kind of bad at shooting against robots since volume of fire against mortal wound reflections is really bad. Assuming I am starting my shooting phase in a mirror, I think I spread each robot's 18 shots into a different screening infantry unit. Then I put any hard hitting anti-tank (neutron) into the other guy's robots. I think I save my scions in reserve until the robots don't have aegis anymore and don't have shroudpsalm (only a 5++ then) or until another good target is exposed within 12" (since scions are only worth deepstriking if you can rapid fire). I am assuming my conscripts are irrelevant, but if they can pop off some lasgun fire into some screening units I will take it. This is making me think about using a second neutron since neutron is one of the few trully all star weapons against robots. If either player's screen dies, then the dragoons can make combat and the first player to get the other guy's robots in combat wins the game.

Also, this codex needs a FAQ on two strategems. RAGE OF THE MACHINES and BENEVOLENCE OF THE OMNISSIAH both apply to a single VEHICLE. But admech has several UNITS of vehicles (ironstriders + kastelons). So does only 1 robot get to shrug off mortal wounds on a 5+ or ignore the heavy+move penalty? Or is all the robots?

EDIT: em_en's comment below is exactly why I keep running more Icarus than Neutron. Rolling the 1 shot and then a 2 to wound is just so sad. This is also why I kept running double ballistari since they had a stable 4 lascannon shots for 50 more points than the D3 shots of the Onager.

As I would advise anyone playing against my army: kill my Kastelans first. They are the most vulnerable part of my army, but also the most devastating. But yes, assuming you are >44" from the enemy's Kastelans, you will be shooting at infantry in Aegis mode. Neutron Crawlers should be shooting other Neutron Crawlers. First person to Protector automatically loses because the other side's Kastelans can walk up to 36" without facing return fire, then walk in on his turn and lay waste to your rooted Kastelans. That or just fry them with Neutron Lasers from afar.

6 Protector Kastelans kill 4.5 Aegis Kastelans on average with Wrath of Mars. Whichever side has fewer Kastelans after the first volley loses utilizes CP less efficiently. Everything in the mirror rides on who can kill the other side's Kastelans first or engage them in CC, and who dictate that is whoever has more 48" guns or Dragoons.

I still think 6 Kastelans is too much for precisely this reason. I actually bring 2 Icarus and 2 Neutron, but I may just go 4 Neutron with extra Stubbers if I can find the points.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
On neutron vs. icarus, remember that dunecrawlers are skitarii and can benefit from the Protector Doctrina Imperative stratagem. Your neutronager can be hitting a stormraven on a 2+ for 1 command point.

Hitting isn't usually the issue. It often that the d3 winds up being one stupid shot and then we have to wound which invariably we roll a 1.

Another reason why I am slowly beginning to think 100% Neutron is tempting...

Be positive. 18 damage in one turn!

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
It is now the OP updating time, which means new official tactical entries for the new Codex. I’d like to enlist your help in writing new and complete entries for each unit, so I can mash them together and put them in OP. I’ll work on writing my own data for this task, and post my first impressions when I read my book.

new thread?

I agree a new thread is necessary. It'll help the collective here be more organized. I'd love to contribute if you want me to though.

Ditto. This thread is beginning to get long and filled with dated information anyway.

Newthread!
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/740395.page#9616469

I havs stressed the issue so many times. Neutronagers with dual srubber is the way. Habing cp to reroll some dice also help. So many robots for wrath are enough for all issues we might have. Yes we gonna face bigger issues with Tau or heavy -1 to hit armies sure. But we cant have all. Still you ll got enough to deal with almost all threats.

I use 4 robots 3 neutronagers. Seems able to kill and win vs most enemies. Snipers dragoons deal with tne rest. Cant have ir all. As i have said from codex release i have my onagers with icarus and gotta change them. Was a decisions but if you go heavy robots thats it. Use snipers use arc rifles use gem on neutron use Cawl use even stubbers on air units 4+ rerollable is not bad. I prefer to be less effective vs a skimmer army than not being able to have a chance vs knight armies fortif. Heavy armor armies in generall.

You might not see it so much in frienbly matches but you will soon enough. A 4 knight army is not uncommon. Nor a heavy transport list nor a heavy tank list. Icarus str6 shots are pure antihorde and the only reall issue was against most likely eldar(heavy skimmer,tau). But as we go lower in toughness we got options to simply wound. As we go higher we dont. And its a shame when we got one of the best guns around and with 2 stubbers 145 cost. You can try and find your own sweet spot for onagers but i will use 3 from my gaming experience.

Its exactly the same talk as with arc rifle. We dont take Robots for str 6 but for the volume of fire and -2 - Cover.
Icarus has str 6 and str 7 placing it par with robot in many cases. Same goes for lascannon. You can roll good hit even with no reroll you can get a bad wound roll but also a bad damage roll.

While Onager with cawl reroll Hit is no issue ,wound roll is an issue but str 10 best we got and damage MINimum 3-6. Does not compete. Even on fliers.

Always 2 neutronagers with Cawl stygia rest for if you want!

New book released = new thread.