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 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Also I don't think anyone has talked about it, but the infamous Pyrovore isn't useless anymore.

It's not *good*, but at least it isn't completely useless. While it still has a low number of attacks, it's not as bad when compared to other melee units, so it might actually get to use that Acid Maw of his. Plus now there's a good number of chances for him to "explode' or at least bleed on the opponent without having to die to an instant death shot.

Agreed. Pyros are definitely better. They can now mess a bit with enemy squads. I hope that new kit for Pyros/Biovores is on the way.

I like how this thread is the only faction thread with any sort of positivity.

Everyone else has been like "waaah our units are worthless!" while we've been salivating at genestealers and co.

Because nid fans know that at the end we will eat

speaking of which the local shop has a Tyranid Swarm box that hasn't sold in years.

I probably should snatch that up while it's still there. Mmmm all dem gribblies.

Small critters are now so much fun (so do get that box). I really like Hungering Swarm and Hail of Living Ammunition rules.

I'm stoked at trygon's new tunnel rules. It now works!

And the beast itself is also really good

Anyone noticed that GW article mistook Toxic Lashes rules for Lash Whip ones? Tbh I would prefer that units with LW would be attacking first rather than being able to attack dispite being slain. It would simulate living lashes well.

Holy Mother of God the Haruspex is a beast.

GW figured out how to make anti-horde melee critters.

Alcibiades wrote:
Holy Mother of God the Haruspex is a beast.

GW figured out how to make anti-horde melee critters.

Yeah, it is a beast but also 278 points.

I don't know why anyone would go Dakka Fex. Screamer Killer. Take the twin scything talons, grab some bio plasma, take 2, and throw them near OLD One Eye who adds +1 to hit with his other guys.

So Carnifexes hit on a 3 up rerolling 1s and get an additional attack. With every swipe of your scything talons dealing 3 dmg ap-3.

Why would you ever give them a gun?


Also Biovores.... just handing out mortal wounds from 4 feet away.

 Lance845 wrote:
I don't know why anyone would go Dakka Fex. Screamer Killer. Take the twin scything talons, grab some bio plasma, take 2, and throw them near OLD One Eye who adds +1 to hit with his other guys.

So Carnifexes hit on a 3 up rerolling 1s and get an additional attack. With every swipe of your scything talons dealing 3 dmg ap-3.

Why would you ever give them a gun?


Also Biovores.... just handing out mortal wounds from 4 feet away.

While I agree that Screamer Killer is back in glory (as it should), I think that cheap, tough weapon platform also have it uses. Especially that now you can buy 3 for 1 slot but still they will act separately = none is wasting its potential. You can have 2 cc and 1 for shooting. Good mix

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
speaking of which the local shop has a Tyranid Swarm box that hasn't sold in years.

I probably should snatch that up while it's still there. Mmmm all dem gribblies.

I just got that to start my tyranid army. Pretty good deal cost wise. I put some together that didn't have loadout options and then I was waiting for the book to figure out how to build the rest.

That's the great thing with the fex in this edition: it's back to what we oldblood nid players remember. A Flexible platform that can function well with a little customization for any role. It's still nowhere near as customizable as in 4th or 3rd (no 2+ armor, no extra wounds, no improving every stat with points, etc) it's probably got as close as it can get for the foreseeable decade.

EDIT: Also I think the DISTRACTION CARNIFEX tactic might also be back, since you can spam them with relative impunity and the Fex doesn't lose stats as it gets hurt unlike our other MCs. This means that a few lone fexes can be herded towards important enemy units on the cheap and they have to choose to either completely destroy one (as oppose to just cripple it by reducing it to half health like other MCs or vehicles) or ignore it and have their crap pushed in.

I think at this point taking OOE and spamming barebones fexes is the best choice at the moment for heavy support.

I would really, REALLY love to take the Tyrannofex with the Rupture cannon but even with his news rules and stats I don't think he is worth taking over the 2, almost three carnifex I could take in his place.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I like how this thread is the only faction thread with any sort of positivity.

Everyone else has been like "waaah our units are worthless!" while we've been salivating at genestealers and co.

I think that's cause you faction essentially 'got what it wanted' being a faction below the top tier power.
All I literally ever heard about nids was, make 'fexes better, make genestealers better, more ways to play than flyrants, pyrovores need to be useful.

I'm genuinely happy for tyranids getting these kinds of buffs they are good and justified.

The negativeity comes from things going too far the other way in the other factions.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I like how this thread is the only faction thread with any sort of positivity.

Everyone else has been like "waaah our units are worthless!" while we've been salivating at genestealers and co.

SoB are pretty stoked too.


Mostly because they forgot to make celestine unique so we can take 5 of them and make our whole army 2++ and heal 6d3 wounds or return 6 models per turn.

Stoked as in stoking the fire of never ending sadness.

 Boniface wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I like how this thread is the only faction thread with any sort of positivity.

Everyone else has been like "waaah our units are worthless!" while we've been salivating at genestealers and co.

I think that's cause you faction essentially 'got what it wanted' being a faction below the top tier power.
All I literally ever heard about nids was, make 'fexes better, make genestealers better, more ways to play than flyrants, pyrovores need to be useful.

I'm genuinely happy for tyranids getting these kinds of buffs they are good and justified.

The negativeity comes from things going too far the other way in the other factions.

See I have an eldar army too (three in fact) and two of them are pretty happy about the new updates too. One of them is Biel Tan Aspect Warriors and the other is Alaitoc Pathfinders. Banshees are finally useful again, especially since a wave serpent is now a viable transport for them again. My Dark Reapers are better too, especially since I can finally field their Exarch with the Shuriken Cannon and not have him being a waste of points (due to everything having splitfire).

As for pathfinders, I should not have to explain how bad snipers have been so far, so it's refreshing to see them become useful again.

But nooooo all I hear from the eldar thread is "My bikes/Wraithlord/D-weapons are now useless!". Too many people there are so obsessed with their 7th edition "I win" buttons that none of them are looking at the other stuff. That or they're complaining about Dire Avengers (who come with a slew of special rules) being slightly more expensive than a potato in power armor.

For the record, I fully intend on fielding my aspect warriors now. The new detachments (I think vanguard is the one?) perfectly fits my idea for Aspect Warriors, since the majority of them are Elites. It even helps me dodge the whole Dire Avenger issue.

IG can't blob apparently and Vets became Elite with a loss of Carpace armor as a choice.

Gonna say the issue with Purestrain Genestealers attached to a Tyranid List is that they don't get the immunity to Moral unless the Patriarch is close to them, as Synapse effects <Hive Fleet> not Tyranid

Any thoughts on lictors? I feel they are a bit more ....fragile this version.

Maybe I am missing something.

Also, I am VERY excited for my bugs - finally going to have some presence on the table (I was never a big flyrant guy).

davethepak wrote:
Any thoughts on lictors? I feel they are a bit more ....fragile this version.

Maybe I am missing something.

Also, I am VERY excited for my bugs - finally going to have some presence on the table (I was never a big flyrant guy).

Lictors are a lot better this edition, one of the few units to get buffed

Anyone trying to hit them is at -1 (-2 for Deathleaper), and also get +2 save from cover

They also can reroll charge from DS

and have a 2shot Str6 assault weapon that can shoot into combat

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I like how this thread is the only faction thread with any sort of positivity.

Everyone else has been like "waaah our units are worthless!" while we've been salivating at genestealers and co.

I have a feeling 8th is going to be a pretty good edition for Nids

GodDamUser wrote:
Gonna say the issue with Purestrain Genestealers attached to a Tyranid List is that they don't get the immunity to Moral unless the Patriarch is close to them, as Synapse effects <Hive Fleet> not Tyranid

Not sure why you'd bother taking purestrain in a nid list when regular genestealers are plain cheaper.
True they don't benefit from the cult ambush rule, but honestly the option for a trygon assault is way more spicier and the option for poison sacs (although a bit costy) is a boon, especially as the cost of a GS with both rending claws and poison doesn't even reach the base cost of a purestrain.
That and synapse is 8" base for most models in the nid list which beats the patriarch's 6"

opu wrote:
and the option for poison sacs (although a bit costy) is a boon

I wouldn't bother with poison myself..

But Adrenal glands giving that +1" charge is worth it

GodDamUser wrote:
I wouldn't bother with poison myself..

But Adrenal glands giving that +1" charge is worth it

'Fraid Glands aren't actually an option for genestealers, I guess the fact they can advance and charge is supposed to cover it

Trygons or anyone with 2 or more sets of scything talons are brutal now. The extra attacks generated are just nuts compared to every other option.

Each set reads "if the bearer has more than 1 set of scything talons it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon each time it fights"

You get 2 bonus attacks if you have 2 sets of scything talons. Trygons get 3.

If you have 2 sets of talons, and distribute your attacks between them, you get 1 prehensile pincer, 2 attacks with the first set, and 2 attacks with the second set. Each has their ability that gains you a bonus attack when attacking with "this weapon". It will trigger twice as you are using both weapons, so a tyrant ends up with a prehensile pincer attack and 6 monstrous scything talon attacks!

Mr ghoti wrote:
Trygons or anyone with 2 or more sets of scything talons are brutal now. The extra attacks generated are just nuts compared to every other option.

Each set reads "if the bearer has more than 1 set of scything talons it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon each time it fights"

You get 2 bonus attacks if you have 2 sets of scything talons. Trygons get 3.

If you have 2 sets of talons, and distribute your attacks between them, you get 1 prehensile pincer, 2 attacks with the first set, and 2 attacks with the second set. Each has their ability that gains you a bonus attack when attacking with "this weapon". It will trigger twice as you are using both weapons, so a tyrant ends up with a prehensile pincer attack and 6 monstrous scything talon attacks!

Pretty sure it's 1 extra attack total if you have more than one set.

The way I read it is that if the bearer has 2 or more sets of talons, it gets +1 attack. That's all. It's worded differently than the chainsword and it has an effect when used alone. Still though, the Trygon is still nothing to scoff at. Between being a pseudo-drop pod and face mulcher for a pittance more than an actual drop pod, it is every bit as terrifying as it should be.

I also think the Prime might be used more than the basic variant. For about 30 points more you get Synapse, which is very useful for deepstriking trygons with units in subterranean assault, due to possibly being far away from your existing synapse, and the stronger containment spines will be good for softening up enemy attackers.

Also if I'm reading this correctly, you can have a Carnifex Brood put into the tunnel. Since they're considered a single unit until deployment, you can probably daisy-chain them around the Trygon as it comes out, essentially popping out 4 face-eating monstrous creatures (that are wholly independent if you took the prime) for just over 500 points!

Mr ghoti wrote:
Trygons or anyone with 2 or more sets of scything talons are brutal now. The extra attacks generated are just nuts compared to every other option.

Each set reads "if the bearer has more than 1 set of scything talons it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon each time it fights"

You get 2 bonus attacks if you have 2 sets of scything talons. Trygons get 3.

If you have 2 sets of talons, and distribute your attacks between them, you get 1 prehensile pincer, 2 attacks with the first set, and 2 attacks with the second set. Each has their ability that gains you a bonus attack when attacking with "this weapon". It will trigger twice as you are using both weapons, so a tyrant ends up with a prehensile pincer attack and 6 monstrous scything talon attacks!

But unlikely to be RAI and likely to be changed.