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Being a player with multiple armies (5+) and most of them haveing psychic powers... after looking at the rules leaks yesterday I'm not sure why I'd ever bring a psyker in this new edition. You get to choose between 3 powers, most are just the same thing re-written for every army. none are great, most are meh, leaving me with an overall bland feeling. Also take into account the cost of Psykers and I have no idea why anyone would bring them now. Can anyone shed some light on to some of the more exciting powers or convince me to take the 12+ psykers I have?

for purposes of this thread the psychic armies I have are: Eldar, Harlequins, Ynnari, and GSC.

These are the baseline powers, expect more when you get your Codexes.

Meh psykers should be more bland rather than the cookie cutter "take invisibility" that was 7th.
Should offer minor buffs, or a shooting style attack IMO.

I think we will see some more "exciting" psychic rules in the codices regardless.

I love it like this. I'm going to enjoy this much simpler, less broken format for as long as it lasts.

Yeah I'm certainly a bit disappointed as well...

Granted I'm happy that invis WK's are no longer a thing (this is coming from an Eldar player) however we had like 6 tables in the BRB to choose from along with 2-3 tables in our respective codex's

Now we have 1 power in the BRB and 3 powers for each codex... and like I said, most are the same with a different title ex: "add +1 to hit"

Kinda bored with psychics. Why have a phase dedicated to mediocrity?

 digital-animal wrote:
Kinda bored with psychics. Why have a phase dedicated to mediocrity?

agreed, why not just have a base buff that psykers add to a unit they're 6" from instead of dedicating a whole phase to blandness.

 supreme overlord wrote:

 digital-animal wrote:
Kinda bored with psychics. Why have a phase dedicated to mediocrity?

agreed, why not just have a base buff that psykers add to a unit they're 6" from instead of dedicating a whole phase to blandness.

Why not just have three ranged and melee profiles then? The powers various psykers wield and the manner in which they wield them are as varied as the other weapons used in the setting. Some powers needing toning down and others up but they should definitely remain varied and interesting.

It is a stop gap set of indices, streamlined so that everything can be updated to the new rules for launch. Look at what came out at the release of 2nd or 3rd edition, other times when the game rules were completely overhauled. They were simple army rules so that everyone could play from the start. Codexes will expand on what we have, adding more varied rules and powers.

 Trickstick wrote:
It is a stop gap set of indices, streamlined so that everything can be updated to the new rules for launch. Look at what came out at the release of 2nd or 3rd edition, other times when the game rules were completely overhauled. They were simple army rules so that everyone could play from the start. Codexes will expand on what we have, adding more varied rules and powers.

so when is the "official" release with the "official" psychic powers?

Actually the biggest blow to Psykers in general is Psychic Focus, which comes into play for Matched Play games.

It reads that you cannot ATTEMPT to cast a power more than once, regardless of how many psykers know this power.

This means, you have 3 librarius Psykers, you can only attempt to manifest null zone ONCE per turn. Not once per psyker - once OVERALL. So if Psyker A, B, and C know the same power, and A attempts and fails, B & C cannot cast that power this turn.

The only power you can attempt more than once is Smite.

Cheers, enjoy

 supreme overlord wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
It is a stop gap set of indices, streamlined so that everything can be updated to the new rules for launch. Look at what came out at the release of 2nd or 3rd edition, other times when the game rules were completely overhauled. They were simple army rules so that everyone could play from the start. Codexes will expand on what we have, adding more varied rules and powers.

so when is the "official" release with the "official" psychic powers?

...

The 17th of March, 2019.

It should stay like this IMO. The alternative is what we have with 7th, so no thanks.

 supreme overlord wrote:
Granted I'm happy that invis WK's are no longer a thing (this is coming from an Eldar player) however we had like 6 tables in the BRB to choose from along with 2-3 tables in our respective codex's

Now we have 1 power in the BRB and 3 powers for each codex... and like I said, most are the same with a different title ex: "add +1 to hit"

Here's your problem SM don't use psychics all the much and the two Chapters that do dip heavily into Psychic powers have their own tables already. So expect a long wait for any kind of psychic powers that expand the ability of armies that use Psy powers as a staple.

On the bright side SW get a always in cover spell!!!! So be excited for them.

 Trickstick wrote:

 supreme overlord wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
It is a stop gap set of indices, streamlined so that everything can be updated to the new rules for launch. Look at what came out at the release of 2nd or 3rd edition, other times when the game rules were completely overhauled. They were simple army rules so that everyone could play from the start. Codexes will expand on what we have, adding more varied rules and powers.

so when is the "official" release with the "official" psychic powers?

...

The 17th of March, 2019.

woah... I hope this is a joke or an exaggeration. why release an unfinished rule set 1yr and 9 months before drop?


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dosiere wrote:
It should stay like this IMO. The alternative is what we have with 7th, so no thanks.

not necessarily. Most of the 7ed powers were not OP. Most were balanced and fun. dont let invisibility jade your judgment

Have you seen the Tau psychic table? Thats bland!

 Galas wrote:
Have you seen the Tau psychic table? Thats bland!

ba dum tiss

7th edition was too much, and these are not the army codices.
Is too early to complain and frankly, Psypower should be something used for support or as a special weapon.
More than that, they become ridiculous and game breaking.

Better bland than invis in the game.

I love all my nid powers. 5+ fnp. Run and shoot and charge with reduced or no penalties. Zoanthropes getting a boosted smites to hand out mortal wounds like candy. And the horror giving -1 ld and to hit coupled with venomthropes -1 to hit will make my nids great. Im pumped.

 Marmatag wrote:
Actually the biggest blow to Psykers in general is Psychic Focus, which comes into play for Matched Play games.

It reads that you cannot ATTEMPT to cast a power more than once, regardless of how many psykers know this power.

This means, you have 3 librarius Psykers, you can only attempt to manifest null zone ONCE per turn. Not once per psyker - once OVERALL. So if Psyker A, B, and C know the same power, and A attempts and fails, B & C cannot cast that power this turn.

The only power you can attempt more than once is Smite.

Cheers, enjoy

It's kinda funny/sad how the Thousand Sons have no reason to run more than a single psyker because either Magnus/Ahriman can cover all of their casting potential by themselves.

First, I will freely admit that I'm somewhat biased in this discussion. All of my armies had a total lack of psykers or they were basically useless (looking at you weird boy).

There is nothing more demoralizing in a game than not getting to take part in a whole phase of the game. Especially when the other player is getting massive buffs or doing massive damage to you during that phase.

I absolutely love the fact that psykers now only provide small buffs or do a couple mortal wounds. Honestly, psykers should help the rest of the army carry the load, not do the heavy lifting themselves.

"Let's always role on Telepathy to get Invisibility" is much, much blander

I've now seen 4 different people complain about invisibility... so wouldnt we have been better off if they would have kept the tables and just taken that power out? I built a seer council for my eldar that are now utterly pointless as max I can even bring is 3 without becoming redundant.

I agree that tables with 6 powers balanced ones with the others and balanced in general with the game is better than 3 powers.
But with so many armies theres only so much spells you can make before entering the "danger zones" of broken spells.

We all can want better rules but is GW we are talking about. Between psychics powers full of OP ones, useless ones, and broken ones one way or the other in every army, and a small amount of more "moderated" powers for all armies better balanced, I choose the second.

I play Tau, but we have talked already about erasing the restriction of only attempting one spell per turn, basically because one of my friends play TS. So if he fails he can try again with other spellcaster. At least that mitigates the problem with Psykers.

I for one am glad that hour long psychic phases are no longer a part of 40k.

 Fafnir wrote:
I for one am glad that hour long psychic phases are no longer a part of 40k.

I'm glad that I don't have to wait for a daemon player to roll on tables for half an hour before we can even start.

 supreme overlord wrote:
I've now seen 4 different people complain about invisibility... so wouldnt we have been better off if they would have kept the tables and just taken that power out? I built a seer council for my eldar that are now utterly pointless as max I can even bring is 3 without becoming redundant.

If it's not invisibility it's going to be one of the other power options. Invisibility was just the tier breaker that made everything good. I will however miss my Slaanesh powers that bolster my sonic guns now that they are better, but Warptime and Prescience are worthwhile in exchange.

8th Edition - The Bland and Flavorless