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I don't like the new Wulfen too
bad thing I just have 3 models of the original ones.

Questions is should I convert Marine size Wulfen or the new sized Wulfen.
Would either use the Puppets War bodies for Marines size or Mantics Werewolfs for the large version

Out of question... on Games Workshop site there is no stand alone Logan model. Do you have to buy him on his sleigh.

yes, or get the old metal one on ebay

 kodos wrote:
I don't like the new Wulfen too
bad thing I just have 3 models of the original ones.

Questions is should I convert Marine size Wulfen or the new sized Wulfen.
Would either use the Puppets War bodies for Marines size or Mantics Werewolfs for the large version

The Wulfen curse affects anyone and everyone so there's no reason not to have mixed sizes, you just have to get some extra 40mm bases.
Terminators work best for looks if you have Wulfen sprues.
I got two Wulfen kits and two Terminator kits and kit-bashed five Wulfen packs that I'm happy with.
If you dislike the Wulfen models so much that that is still not an option I'd suggest looking into AoS Chaos ranges like Chaos Blood Reavers and Kairic Acolytes, I've used Chaos Warriors and Ultramarine conversions to make my Space Wolves look a bit more "Viking" than "Wolfity Wolf" for a while, the rest of the kit gets converted to Wolf Scouts so nothing goes to waste.


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Regular Wulfen

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32cn10t9fdh4375/20170703_093149.jpg?dl=0
Vanilla Terminator Wulfen

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6l3wccbtzs5bet/20170703_093233.jpg?dl=0
D&D Gnoll

My problem with the Wulfen kit is more with the legs/poses.

I think of them more like Berserker Rage Marines instead of Chaos Spawns.
A classic Werewolf is something different and I would go for that one with the Wulfen of the 13th.
But the Karate Kid style is a no go.
And just for Bits it is too expensive for my taste

 kodos wrote:
My problem with the Wulfen kit is more with the legs/poses.

I think of them more like Berserker Rage Marines instead of Chaos Spawns.
A classic Werewolf is something different and I would go for that one with the Wulfen of the 13th.
But the Karate Kid style is a no go.
And just for Bits it is too expensive for my taste

Chaos Blood Reavers and Kairic Acolytes are human.
Google Kairic Acolytes.
They're the same kit price as Wulfen, you get ten in a kit rather than five, they come with shields and axes, you can change some axe heads to hammer heads and your Space Wolves' bits box should have enough left over dangly stuff to Fenrisianise them - personally I'd change their heads too but those helmets look badass, maybe you can just stick some greenstuff braids or flying hair on to make them look wilder or give them wolf ears.
Wish I needed more Wulfen - I'd love to kit-bash the Acolytes in particular..

I just know the stuff from the starter set and there were too many not so easy to remove mutations
if the regular Box is better I will take a closer look

What starter set?

The old metal wulfen need to be converted though as they have different wargear. And they're typically more expensive than the most recent models.

The only one I don't like as much is as everyone else put it the "karate kid" pack leader. Even that one I've kind of grown to like... I just view him as jumping into the middle of the enemy/pouncing without fear or care for his own well being.

But as my GF says... I am an obnoxiously glass half-full person. @.@

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
The only one I don't like as much is as everyone else put it the "karate kid" pack leader. Even that one I've kind of grown to like... I just view him as jumping into the middle of the enemy/pouncing without fear or care for his own well being.

But as my GF says... I am an obnoxiously glass half-full person. @.@

The Sun shines out your arse.
The leader in an option anyway.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
What starter set?

The first AoS one

Ahh, I was about to say, Wulfen never came in a starter set.
You can get the Acolytes in a kit of ten.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
The only one I don't like as much is as everyone else put it the "karate kid" pack leader. Even that one I've kind of grown to like... I just view him as jumping into the middle of the enemy/pouncing without fear or care for his own well being.

But as my GF says... I am an obnoxiously glass half-full person. @.@

The Sun shines out your arse.
The leader in an option anyway.

1) the leaders pose is not supposed to be karate kid, it's supposed to be landing from a jump
2) there are alternate arms and legs for that model included to give it a completely different pose

Mixing Wulfen bits with he new Reivers could also be an idea

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Ahh, I was about to say, Wulfen never came in a starter set.
You can get the Acolytes in a kit of ten.

I meant I know the Blood Reavers from the AoS starter set but there were too many models with mutations or Khorne Marks that were too complicated to remove.
So if the regular kit is better I will have a closer look.

But for now I prefer this bodies here as base for a conversion:
https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=588

 kodos wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Ahh, I was about to say, Wulfen never came in a starter set.
You can get the Acolytes in a kit of ten.

I meant I know the Blood Reavers from the AoS starter set but there were too many models with mutations or Khorne Marks that were too complicated to remove.
So if the regular kit is better I will have a closer look.

But for now I prefer this bodies here as base for a conversion:
https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=588

I never bothered removing a lot of them - I either filled them in with green-stuff or just covered them with dangly bits.

Anybody had much luck with the flyers?

not really
Melter makes them too expensive and without they are no suitable gunships (not better than anything you get cheaper) while the Gunship itself can work but I did not find a unit 6 man unit worth transporting

Six Wolf Guard in power armor with storm bolters puts out a decent amount of dakka within 12". You could use them to thin out infantry hordes before a charge or to sit on an objective.

The flyers themselves are ok, nothing special and expensive. I'd rather use a land raider.

and what is the advantage to transport them with the flyer into 12" instead of a Razorback with AC or taking WG on Bike?

I see no unit that can take an advantage out of the up to 50" move of the Gunship
Even for a 6 Melter Squad it is better to just take Long Fangs with MM in a Pod (take it 2 times for the same prize as 1 squad with the gunship for similar firepower)

I think the transport flyer seems to be worth it. Dropping a 8 man wulfen squad on someone's head is pretty brutal. And it has plenty of dakka.

It also can't get surrounded by the enemy like a land raider can if you're facing a fellow assault army.

Being able to "Drop" heavily armed units like Terminators, Wolf Scouts and Inceptors into enemy territory is kind of making me re-think every transport's viability.

I am contemplating wolf guard terminators with a cheap load out of storm bolted/power sword deepstriking in with arjac. I feel like this unit is a good jack of all trades unit that can strike in shoot and be good at combat when dealing with hordes. Is this a good idea or is it better to take Ss/th?

2k list for reference

Arjac
WGBL on thunderwolf SS/frost axe

2 units of 10 GH with plasma gun (1 in Rhino)1
5 man blood claws

5 wolf guard storm bolted/sword

3 Thunderwolf cav 1ss/chain sword 2 with wolf claws

Las predator

Knight with Gatling cannon/battle cannon and middles on top

LegendaryEgo05 wrote:
I am contemplating wolf guard terminators with a cheap load out of storm bolted/power sword deepstriking in with arjac. I feel like this unit is a good jack of all trades unit that can strike in shoot and be good at combat when dealing with hordes. Is this a good idea or is it better to take Ss/th?

2k list for reference

Arjac
WGBL on thunderwolf SS/frost axe

2 units of 10 GH with plasma gun (1 in Rhino)1
5 man blood claws

5 wolf guard storm bolted/sword

3 Thunderwolf cav 1ss/chain sword 2 with wolf claws

Las predator

Knight with Gatling cannon/battle cannon and middles on top

That is some heavy, HEAVY firepower.
Have you played many games with it yet? Looks like you'd be protecting the Knight and Pred an awful lot.

Only two games, the predator has died both times. The goal is deepstrike termies and t wolves fly up the board so they have to choose to kill heavies or have elites up in their face. The problem is the knight isn't enough by itself if you run into spam so I feel the pred is needed.

I like the knight, the pred is good too but I'd like more points for another rhino or GH unit. However, with a knight you can't have everything. I was just curious about termies specifically because I like them as a TAC choice but wasn't sure if they were better optimized to guard arjac.

Nids got me for the loss, those monstrous creatures and gene stealers tore through the elites and the knight wasn't enough alone.

I personally am leaning towards two terminator units. A tax varient like you mentioned and a thunder hammer and atorm shield group to go with arjac. I feel like they'd be elite hunters with him and the rest could take on everything else.

For me the strength of arjac doesnt mesh too well with the unreliability of deep striking 9" assaults. He is expensive if it doesn't work.

I'd almost want to either make sure ragnar is around to help that charge roll (perhaps in a pod, or moved up in a rhino and drop the termies turn 2?), or maybe have arjac drop in to buff some wolf guard that just got out of a transport? Idk i just dont love them all deep striking in.

jcd386 wrote:
For me the strength of arjac doesnt mesh too well with the unreliability of deep striking 9" assaults. He is expensive if it doesn't work.

I'd almost want to either make sure ragnar is around to help that charge roll (perhaps in a pod, or moved up in a rhino and drop the termies turn 2?), or maybe have arjac drop in to buff some wolf guard that just got out of a transport? Idk i just dont love them all deep striking in.

If you don't mind deepstriking him into their faces rather than on their asses Wulfen could be your answer. Over a twenty four inch no man's land you have a seven inch move, one to six inch advance and a six inch bubble gives you thirteen to eighteen inches to tag the back of Arjac and his boys, effectively a two inch possible failure range if the advance roll doesn't go your way and that can be negged out by a conga-line.

Now that people have a few games under their belt, do we have a good idea what our winning combos are? Do we have any must picks or are all units truly viable?

most units are viable, but it is more about the concept of list than about the some must pick stuff

eg Blood/Swift Claws work well with WG Battle Leader, Priest and Wulfen, TWC with Wolf Claws and Lord, Rune Priest are a must have if you are in need for Cover (eg using large Units)