Black Panther - Movie Discussion (Warning! Spoilers!)

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**Adeptus Doritos**

I'm just going to say this:

"Monkey noises".

If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.

I can take a good joke of any sort, trust me. But even I found this to be kind of disgusting and distasteful.

**Lance845**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm just going to say this:

"Monkey noises".

If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.

I can take a good joke of any sort, trust me. But even I found this to be kind of disgusting and distasteful.

To be fair. That character and tribe are from the comics. And we all knew his character was in the movie from the cast list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Ape

**Galas**

I didn't even tought about that as any form of racist. I was just in awe with the "Wakanda" theme of the soundtrack. After Guardians of the Galaxy I think this is the only Marvel movie with an actual good Soundtrack.

**Ahtman**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm just going to say this:

"Monkey noises".

If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.

I can take a good joke of any sort, trust me. But even I found this to be kind of disgusting and distasteful.

Ape noises, actually, and each group had a animal, like the primary being a Panther, and the mountain people have an ape. Automatically associating the animal with racism seems just as problematic.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Ahtman wrote:
Ape noises, actually, and each group had a animal, like the primary being a Panther, and the mountain people have an ape. Automatically associating the animal with racism seems just as problematic.

Funny how that crops up when someone made an Obama sock monkey.

I thought the movie was mediocre, and people are simply terrified to say it was anything other than OMG THE GREATEST EVER. They're removing negative reviews of it. It wasn't a terrible movie, but IMHO it wasn't the master epic movie that people are making it out to be.

The Bigotry of Lowered Expectations, now that's just problematic.

Or maybe people with a financial stake in entertainment have found a way to scream 'racist!' when the critics start saying less than pleasant things, hopefully trying to avoid more dropoffs.

**Ahtman**

Edit: You know what, not worth it.

**Galas**

I think the movie was one of the best Marvel ones. At the same time, the bests marvels movies are at best "good enough". They are blockbusters for a reason. Fast food to see in the big screen with your friends/family. Nothing that will change how you perceive your world. The kind of movie that like Pacific Rim if you watch in your computer screen or TV, it lost half of his appeal.

For me the biggest acomplishement of Marvel with his movies are not the movies themselves but the organic universe they have created. One where a character like Hulk can appear in Thor:Ragnarok and fit totally natural, like as if you where watching a TV-series.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Ahtman wrote:
Edit: You know what, not worth it.

I can assure you, it isn't. You're being wise.

**Zond**

I saw it again and I think I want to revise my opinion downward. It's an average movie. I don't hate it but neither do I love it and it sort of exists for me with all the average Marvel movies such as Iron Man 2 and 3.

I think there's a great story that got lost in the need to tick the checkboxes that make up a superhero blockbuster.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Zond wrote:
I don't hate it but neither do I love it and it sort of exists for me with all the average Marvel movies such as Iron Man 2 and 3. .

That's my actual opinion. It's like, "Netflix awesome", but not "dealing with the hassle and cost of the cinema" awesome.

**H.B.M.C.**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I can take a good joke of any sort, trust me. But even I found this to be kind of disgusting and distasteful.

It wasn't a joke. It wasn't disgusting. It wasn't distasteful. It was done to show the differences between the Panther tribe and the White Gorilla cult.

But don't believe me, believe Winston Duke, the excellent actor behind M'Baku:

"The panther is sleek, the panther is sneaky, the panther is covert—meanwhile, the gorilla will show up and bang on his chest and make noises to warn you about what is about to happen if you continue to cross the line,” Duke says. “We don’t hide, we don’t sneak. We come through the front door.”

**Adeptus Doritos**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It wasn't a joke. It wasn't disgusting. It wasn't distasteful. It was done to show the differences between the Panther tribe and the White Gorilla cult.

I'm sorry, I just kind of think there's a dozen other ways to do what they were trying to do there, without it turning into the Alt-Right's next favorite gif. It was cringy, if nothing else.

To each their own, man. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.

**AdeptSister**

The sounds were fine and appropriate. It was an inside joke for anyone who knows Black Fraternities, specifically Omega Psi Phi. "Ques", as they are called, bark. It was the first thing I thought of during the scene and it was definitely an intentional "wink."

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/02/winston-duke-black-panther-mbaku-interview

"Duke [The Actor who plays M'Baku] cracks up at the suggestion that once the film finally hits theaters, the Jabari tribe might also be claimed by Omega Psi Phi, the black fraternity whose members are usually referred to as “Que Dogs”—and are known for barking and a general rebelliousness. "

**Ahtman**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Edit: You know what, not worth it.

I can assure you, it isn't. You're being wise.

Well one of us should be.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Ahtman wrote:
Well one of us should be.

You were a hair away from screaming 'racist', don't get cocky.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

AdeptSister wrote:
The sounds were fine and appropriate. It was an inside joke for anyone who knows Black Fraternities, specifically Omega Psi Phi. "Ques", as they are called, bark. It was the first thing I thought of during the scene and it was definitely an intentional "wink."

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/02/winston-duke-black-panther-mbaku-interview

"Duke [The Actor who plays M'Baku] cracks up at the suggestion that once the film finally hits theaters, the Jabari tribe might also be claimed by Omega Psi Phi, the black fraternity whose members are usually referred to as “Que Dogs”—and are known for barking and a general rebelliousness. "

That's an interesting context to put it into. I hadn't heard this.

**Ouze**

Just came from seeing it. I think it's on a very short list for best Marvel movie so far; right up there with Iron Man in terms of accessibility to non-comic-book people.

The costumes and settings were terrific, and the action good. The acting was solid. It's kind of interesting that Angela Bassett hasn't seemed to age since the mid-90s. The Rhinos were terrific. Michael B. Jordan was awesome as always, I thought. I would definitely have liked to have seen more of him even if they had to chop some other stuff to get there.

Some of the stuff I didn't like:

Spoiler:

It was very weakly linked to the rest of the MCU, which is neither good not bad. It would be a cool setting for future movies depending on what happens after IW.

**H.B.M.C.**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm sorry, I just kind of think there's a dozen other ways to do what they were trying to do there, without it turning into the Alt-Right's next favorite gif. It was cringy, if nothing else.

To each their own, man. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.

What's the Alt-Right got to do with any of this? And it's not my opinion anyway. It's a direct quote from the guy who played M'Baku. He spells out exactly why his tribe makes the gorilla noises. To them the gorilla god that they worship (as opposed to the Gorilla Grodd... heh!) is very strong and extremely forceful and open, so they channel him in battle. They announce themselves in the same way an angry gorilla does, loud noises and whatnot, because they work to embody their god.

So, again, what has any of those got to do with the Alt-Right? This is something straight from the film.

**Ouze**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm sorry, I just kind of think there's a dozen other ways to do what they were trying to do there, without it turning into the Alt-Right's next favorite gif. It was cringy, if nothing else.

To each their own, man. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.
What's the Alt-Right got to do with any of this? And it's not my opinion anyway. It's a direct quote from the guy who played M'Baku. He spells out exactly why his tribe makes the gorilla noises. To them the gorilla god that they worship (as opposed to the Gorilla Grodd... heh!) is very strong and extremely forceful and open, so they channel him in battle. They announce themselves in the same way an angry gorilla does, loud noises and whatnot, because they work to embody their god.

So, again, what has any of those got to do with the Alt-Right? This is something straight from the film.

No one bit on the "bad CGI" hook, so switched bait.

**dogma**

LordofHats wrote:

Calling it entirely off point seems a bit forgiving to me. Someone is borderline idiotic if they walked into the theater expecting something related to the BPP. The Trailers alone, not to mention the last movie the character was in, should be a pretty clear indication these things are not related.

Also there was that time when T'Challa called himself the the Black Leopard because he didn't want to be associated with the Black Panthers.

**H.B.M.C.**

Ouze wrote:
No one bit on the "bad CGI" hook, so switched bait.

I've long since lost the ability to determine whether you're having a go at me Ouze or trying to make a point...

I thought the movie was fun. Shuri and M'Baku were the two best things about it. Can't wait to seem 'em again (and Wakanda) in Infinity War. What more else can I really say?

**Inquisitor Gideon**

He's agreeing with you. Everyone ignored Dorito's first attempt at trolling, so he's throwing out the insulted card to try and get a rise. Despite the fact you've shown him evidence that the actor explained exactly why it's portrayed that way in the film.

**Ouze**

Yes. Sorry if that was oblique.

I also thought M'Baku was terrific, especially the "vegetarian" joke.

**Frazzled**

Galas wrote:
I think the movie was one of the best Marvel ones. At the same time, the bests marvels movies are at best "good enough". They are blockbusters for a reason. Fast food to see in the big screen with your friends/family. Nothing that will change how you perceive your world. The kind of movie that like Pacific Rim if you watch in your computer screen or TV, it lost half of his appeal.

For me the biggest acomplishement of Marvel with his movies are not the movies themselves but the organic universe they have created. One where a character like Hulk can appear in Thor:Ragnarok and fit totally natural, like as if you where watching a TV-series.

Good point.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

The 'professional' review earlier, where he seems disappointed it's not about something it's never been about?

Reminds me of some about Dredd.

'Eeeeh, it's awful violent'

'Crikey! Why are Dredd shoot first, ask later'

You'd think if you're gonna review a comic book movie, you'd do at least a cursory Google on the character?

As for Marvel's individual movies....

As impressive as the narrative weaving has been, what I think it even more remarkable is that each movie still ultimately works as a stand-alone. Yes, you'll get more out of Civil War if you've seen Cap and Winter Soldier, but you don't have to have seen them to make sense of that specific movie. That's terribly impressive if you ask me!

**Adeptus Doritos**

Ouze wrote:
No one bit on the "bad CGI" hook, so switched bait.

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
He's agreeing with you. Everyone ignored Dorito's first attempt at trolling, so he's throwing out the insulted card to try and get a rise. Despite the fact you've shown him evidence that the actor explained exactly why it's portrayed that way in the film.

One of the things that makes Dakkadakka's forums so blatantly toxic is that you can't critique something or even make a joke without it being considered 'trolling'. If people are this fanatical over entertainment media, there are actual religions out there that would love this kind of fanaticism.

I thought my post was pretty clear, and when someone gave me more information, I took that into consideration.

Sorry if you're offended by someone not liking a movie as much as you do.

**trexmeyer**

I wouldn't go so far as to call Dakka's forums toxic...

Edit:

Touching on this comment:

giving kids an opening when someone important is like them is a huge formative moment, 'disposable popcorn' in your view or not.

Spoiler - since this not in regards to film quality, but hype.

Spoiler:

**Adeptus Doritos**

trexmeyer wrote:
I wouldn't go so far as to call Dakka's forums toxic..

Meh.

At least a little... 'hostile' toward negative critique of certain things. Star Wars and Black Panther this week seem to be more precious than the Virgin Mother.

I haven't even said Black Panther was a bad movie. It's got its flaws, it's not perfect- I just really (personally) don't think it's worth paying ~$15.00 to see in the theaters.

**trexmeyer**

Um TLJ got lambasted even here for a good 90+ pages.

**Adeptus Doritos**

trexmeyer wrote:
Um TLJ got lambasted even here for a good 90+ pages.

The game, not the movie. I should have been clear.

90+ pages is being nice. I found someone who has a 5.5-hour dismantling of the movie on Youtube.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Does anyone know where they filmed the Oakland scenes? We were trying to figure out where in Oakland those took place, or even if they were in Oakland at all.