Sisters of Battle 8th Edition Tactica

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**MacPhail**

dracpanzer wrote:
Played a 2k game against Death Guard yesterday. Mortarion is an absolute beast, flew right up to my three squads of HB Rets, Canoness, Imagifers (2) and Exorcists (2) base of fire. I ignored him as best I could apart from feeding him piece meal. Was able to contain him a bit by overloading models into the objective he had a defend card for. Celestine and the SB Doms wrecked Typhus and everything else including 60-80? Poxwalkers. Mortarion probably killed 1250 points by himself. I didn't fire on him until I had too but was able to manage seven wounds on the big guy. 11-10 win for the Sisters. Mortarion is a great model, rules make him an absolute beast, and he proves to me Celestine is not OP.

I got a peek a Mortarion on the table next to me this weekend. He looks absolutely devastating. He was matched against Guilliman and for that reason alone the game played out to its full extent... short of that it would have been extremely one-sided. I think Sisters will need to focus on the mission, feed him sacrificial units, and try to minimize damage as you've said, because I don't see a head-to-head confrontation being an option, even with Celestine.

**Waaaghpower**

WhiteListedUser wrote:
So as i heared sisters are a lot better this edition, but would you say that sisters are Over Powered in comparison to the other armys ?
My friends and I all started fresh this edition so we are pretty unexperienced wenn it comes to playing, but i manage to win 99% of my games at an
Point level from 500pts to 1000pts.

They all hate playing against sisters, saying "they are to cheap for what they bring" and " 4 AoF`s a Turn is stupid", but all hate Celestine the most.

I think you guys have more practice then we do, so i just want to ask.

Sisters of Battle do well in 500-1000pt games, but scale very poorly at high values due to the fact that you get one free Act of Faith, but everything after the first taste costs a little extra.
Let's say you have one unit of Sisters, and that's your entire army. (Or two units, if one of them is Celestine.)
100% of your army can either move twice, shoot twice, fight twice, or regenerate a model. The effectiveness of that one unit is increased by a good 50%, or even wholly doubled if it's a stationary fire base like Retributors.

Now let's say that you have five units - Celestine and four others.
40% of your army can use those abilities.
Now let's say you take a Brigade. Even if you take Celestine and all three of your mandatory Elites choices are Simalcrum Imperialus bearers, you're only getting an average of 3.5 Acts of Faith to your 18+ units. That's less than 20% of your army.

Even with that in mind, though... No, Sisters of Battle are not overpowered. They're too limited on options and bound to certain, specific builds to be overpowered. If you have lots of good AP at medium strength, you can kill them all really easily.

**Amishprn86**

Waaaghpower wrote:
WhiteListedUser wrote:
So as i heared sisters are a lot better this edition, but would you say that sisters are Over Powered in comparison to the other armys ?
My friends and I all started fresh this edition so we are pretty unexperienced wenn it comes to playing, but i manage to win 99% of my games at an
Point level from 500pts to 1000pts.

They all hate playing against sisters, saying "they are to cheap for what they bring" and " 4 AoF`s a Turn is stupid", but all hate Celestine the most.

I think you guys have more practice then we do, so i just want to ask.

Sisters of Battle do well in 500-1000pt games, but scale very poorly at high values due to the fact that you get one free Act of Faith, but everything after the first taste costs a little extra.
Let's say you have one unit of Sisters, and that's your entire army. (Or two units, if one of them is Celestine.)
100% of your army can either move twice, shoot twice, fight twice, or regenerate a model. The effectiveness of that one unit is increased by a good 50%, or even wholly doubled if it's a stationary fire base like Retributors.

Now let's say that you have five units - Celestine and four others.
40% of your army can use those abilities.
Now let's say you take a Brigade. Even if you take Celestine and all three of your mandatory Elites choices are Simalcrum Imperialus bearers, you're only getting an average of 3.5 Acts of Faith to your 18+ units. That's less than 20% of your army.

Even with that in mind, though... No, Sisters of Battle are not overpowered. They're too limited on options and bound to certain, specific builds to be overpowered. If you have lots of good AP at medium strength, you can kill them all really easily.

This is most likely change with our Codex.

Edit: You can make sure GW knows this tho and how we feel if you wanted to shoot them a message, they are listening this time for sure.

**Jancoran**

WhiteListedUser wrote:
So as i heared sisters are a lot better this edition, but would you say that sisters are Over Powered in comparison to the other armys ?
My friends and I all started fresh this edition so we are pretty unexperienced wenn it comes to playing, but i manage to win 99% of my games at an
Point level from 500pts to 1000pts.

They all hate playing against sisters, saying "they are to cheap for what they bring" and " 4 AoF`s a Turn is stupid", but all hate Celestine the most.

I think you guys have more practice then we do, so i just want to ask.

Celestine and the Relic Mission is stupid for sure. But then the Relic Mission is the dumbest mission. So there's that.

**WhiteListedUser**

I also am not sure why you're fielding 3-4 Imagifiers. I wouldn't.

I was running 2 Imagifier, the Celestine AoF in addition to the 2+ one.

here the list i used:

Spoiler:

**drbored**

I've just gotten a Sisters squad to add to my Space Marines army. Celestine along with a regular troop squad of Battle Sisters with Storm Bolters to help add some dakka.

I also have a Dominion Squad with 2 flamers and 2 meltas, along with Veridyan (so, a Canoness) but I'm wondering if it would be worth it to bring those into the force?

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Jancoran wrote:
WhiteListedUser wrote:
So as i heared sisters are a lot better this edition, but would you say that sisters are Over Powered in comparison to the other armys ?
My friends and I all started fresh this edition so we are pretty unexperienced wenn it comes to playing, but i manage to win 99% of my games at an
Point level from 500pts to 1000pts.

They all hate playing against sisters, saying "they are to cheap for what they bring" and " 4 AoF`s a Turn is stupid", but all hate Celestine the most.

I think you guys have more practice then we do, so i just want to ask.

Celestine and the Relic Mission is stupid for sure. But then the Relic Mission is the dumbest mission. So there's that.

Oh yes, that was funny. Relic came up while I was playing in the league, and though my opponent had first, he didn't get anyone on the point turn 1, and I ran out, grabbed it, and ran off and played keep away for the rest of the game, because 9" of move was still faster than anything he had to chase after me with.

WhiteListedUser wrote:
I also am not sure why you're fielding 3-4 Imagifiers. I wouldn't.

I was running 2 Imagifier, the Celestine AoF in addition to the 2+ one.

here the list i used:

Spoiler:

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [60 PL, 1000pts] ++

+ HQ +

Celestine [8 PL, 150pts]: Celestine

Canoness [4 PL, 68pts]: Combi-melta, Power maul

+ Troops +

Battle Sister Squad [8 PL, 96pts]
. 7x Battle Sister
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Storm bolter
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Storm bolter

Battle Sister Squad [8 PL, 96pts]
. 7x Battle Sister
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Storm bolter
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Storm bolter

Battle Sister Squad [8 PL, 96pts]
. 7x Battle Sister
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Storm bolter
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Storm bolter

+ Elites +

Imagifier [2 PL, 40pts]

Imagifier [2 PL, 40pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Dominion Squad [5 PL, 137pts]
. Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Combi-melta
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

+ Heavy Support +

Retributor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]
. Retributor Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Chainsword
. Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

Retributor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]
. Retributor Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Chainsword
. Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

+ Dedicated Transport +

Sororitas Repressor [5 PL, 107pts]: Heavy flamer, Heavy flamer, Storm bolter

++ Total: [60 PL, 1000pts] ++

I see. It seems critically deficient in anti-tank capacity.

drbored wrote:I've just gotten a Sisters squad to add to my Space Marines army. Celestine along with a regular troop squad of Battle Sisters with Storm Bolters to help add some dakka.

I also have a Dominion Squad with 2 flamers and 2 meltas, along with Veridyan (so, a Canoness) but I'm wondering if it would be worth it to bring those into the force?

Dominions, yes, mechanized.

Well, more precisely, they're like Sternguard, but cheaper, with vanguard, and limited weapon choices. Sternguard do not make as good an antitank squad as Dominions, however, Space Marines also have other excellent antitank options [particularly ones with range] that we don't, so take that with a grain of salt.

**MacPhail**

drbored wrote:
I've just gotten a Sisters squad to add to my Space Marines army. Celestine along with a regular troop squad of Battle Sisters with Storm Bolters to help add some dakka.

I also have a Dominion Squad with 2 flamers and 2 meltas, along with Veridyan (so, a Canoness) but I'm wondering if it would be worth it to bring those into the force?

A Dominion squad with full stormbolters is probably a nice add to any but a full gunline army. Use Vangaurd to find cover and the AoF to unleash midfield dakka. I had a squad of 5x SB Doms last the whole game on an objective last weekend. What you have is a nice Jack of all trades unit that can still break something fancy and dish out hits, but they'll need to be close to be effective and they aren't mech'd up. Great that you're adding a Troop to Celestine!

**drbored**

MacPhail wrote:
drbored wrote:
I've just gotten a Sisters squad to add to my Space Marines army. Celestine along with a regular troop squad of Battle Sisters with Storm Bolters to help add some dakka.

I also have a Dominion Squad with 2 flamers and 2 meltas, along with Veridyan (so, a Canoness) but I'm wondering if it would be worth it to bring those into the force?

A Dominion squad with full stormbolters is probably a nice add to any but a full gunline army. Use Vangaurd to find cover and the AoF to unleash midfield dakka. I had a squad of 5x SB Doms last the whole game on an objective last weekend. What you have is a nice Jack of all trades unit that can still break something fancy and dish out hits, but they'll need to be close to be effective and they aren't mech'd up. Great that you're adding a Troop to Celestine!

Only trouble is getting the extra Storm Bolters. I'll only have two models, and the individual Storm Bolter models are sold out... I'll effectively have 2 Storm Bolters, 2 Flamers, and 2 Melta Guns to play with, which isn't great since it mixes up the weapons in a squad...

**Amishprn86**

drbored wrote:
MacPhail wrote:
drbored wrote:
I've just gotten a Sisters squad to add to my Space Marines army. Celestine along with a regular troop squad of Battle Sisters with Storm Bolters to help add some dakka.

I also have a Dominion Squad with 2 flamers and 2 meltas, along with Veridyan (so, a Canoness) but I'm wondering if it would be worth it to bring those into the force?

A Dominion squad with full stormbolters is probably a nice add to any but a full gunline army. Use Vangaurd to find cover and the AoF to unleash midfield dakka. I had a squad of 5x SB Doms last the whole game on an objective last weekend. What you have is a nice Jack of all trades unit that can still break something fancy and dish out hits, but they'll need to be close to be effective and they aren't mech'd up. Great that you're adding a Troop to Celestine!

Only trouble is getting the extra Storm Bolters. I'll only have two models, and the individual Storm Bolter models are sold out... I'll effectively have 2 Storm Bolters, 2 Flamers, and 2 Melta Guns to play with, which isn't great since it mixes up the weapons in a squad...

Im the opposite lol, i have like 20 SB ones and only 4 Melta and 4 Flamers :(

**pretre**

Do the same that I did with Meltas, convert. Heavy weapons sisters are a godsend for that.

**Amishprn86**

pretre wrote:
Do the same that I did with Meltas, convert. Heavy weapons sisters are a godsend for that.

I have something like 40 BSS with Bolters, im going to covert 7 into HB's, 8 into Meltas.

Shouldnt be to hard..... i hope lol.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Damn. I wish I had a pile of storm bolters right about now.

I have more flamers than I need, not quite enough meltaguns, and not nearly enough storm bolters.

**Mymearan**

Waaaghpower wrote:
WhiteListedUser wrote:
So as i heared sisters are a lot better this edition, but would you say that sisters are Over Powered in comparison to the other armys ?
My friends and I all started fresh this edition so we are pretty unexperienced wenn it comes to playing, but i manage to win 99% of my games at an
Point level from 500pts to 1000pts.

They all hate playing against sisters, saying "they are to cheap for what they bring" and " 4 AoF`s a Turn is stupid", but all hate Celestine the most.

I think you guys have more practice then we do, so i just want to ask.

Sisters of Battle do well in 500-1000pt games, but scale very poorly at high values due to the fact that you get one free Act of Faith, but everything after the first taste costs a little extra.
Let's say you have one unit of Sisters, and that's your entire army. (Or two units, if one of them is Celestine.)
100% of your army can either move twice, shoot twice, fight twice, or regenerate a model. The effectiveness of that one unit is increased by a good 50%, or even wholly doubled if it's a stationary fire base like Retributors.

Now let's say that you have five units - Celestine and four others.
40% of your army can use those abilities.
Now let's say you take a Brigade. Even if you take Celestine and all three of your mandatory Elites choices are Simalcrum Imperialus bearers, you're only getting an average of 3.5 Acts of Faith to your 18+ units. That's less than 20% of your army.

Even with that in mind, though... No, Sisters of Battle are not overpowered. They're too limited on options and bound to certain, specific builds to be overpowered. If you have lots of good AP at medium strength, you can kill them all really easily.

I can attest that Primaris Marines are amazing against Sisters. Massed S4-5 with AP -1 just shreds them.

**dracpanzer**

Mymearan wrote:
Waaaghpower wrote:
WhiteListedUser wrote:
So as i heared sisters are a lot better this edition, but would you say that sisters are Over Powered in comparison to the other armys ?
My friends and I all started fresh this edition so we are pretty unexperienced wenn it comes to playing, but i manage to win 99% of my games at an
Point level from 500pts to 1000pts.

They all hate playing against sisters, saying "they are to cheap for what they bring" and " 4 AoF`s a Turn is stupid", but all hate Celestine the most.

I think you guys have more practice then we do, so i just want to ask.

Sisters of Battle do well in 500-1000pt games, but scale very poorly at high values due to the fact that you get one free Act of Faith, but everything after the first taste costs a little extra.
Let's say you have one unit of Sisters, and that's your entire army. (Or two units, if one of them is Celestine.)
100% of your army can either move twice, shoot twice, fight twice, or regenerate a model. The effectiveness of that one unit is increased by a good 50%, or even wholly doubled if it's a stationary fire base like Retributors.

Now let's say that you have five units - Celestine and four others.
40% of your army can use those abilities.
Now let's say you take a Brigade. Even if you take Celestine and all three of your mandatory Elites choices are Simalcrum Imperialus bearers, you're only getting an average of 3.5 Acts of Faith to your 18+ units. That's less than 20% of your army.

Even with that in mind, though... No, Sisters of Battle are not overpowered. They're too limited on options and bound to certain, specific builds to be overpowered. If you have lots of good AP at medium strength, you can kill them all really easily.

I can attest that Primaris Marines are amazing against Sisters. Massed S4-5 with AP -1 just shreds them.

She who bails, fails.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Mymearan wrote:
Waaaghpower wrote:
WhiteListedUser wrote:
So as i heared sisters are a lot better this edition, but would you say that sisters are Over Powered in comparison to the other armys ?
My friends and I all started fresh this edition so we are pretty unexperienced wenn it comes to playing, but i manage to win 99% of my games at an
Point level from 500pts to 1000pts.

They all hate playing against sisters, saying "they are to cheap for what they bring" and " 4 AoF`s a Turn is stupid", but all hate Celestine the most.

I think you guys have more practice then we do, so i just want to ask.

Sisters of Battle do well in 500-1000pt games, but scale very poorly at high values due to the fact that you get one free Act of Faith, but everything after the first taste costs a little extra.
Let's say you have one unit of Sisters, and that's your entire army. (Or two units, if one of them is Celestine.)
100% of your army can either move twice, shoot twice, fight twice, or regenerate a model. The effectiveness of that one unit is increased by a good 50%, or even wholly doubled if it's a stationary fire base like Retributors.

Now let's say that you have five units - Celestine and four others.
40% of your army can use those abilities.
Now let's say you take a Brigade. Even if you take Celestine and all three of your mandatory Elites choices are Simalcrum Imperialus bearers, you're only getting an average of 3.5 Acts of Faith to your 18+ units. That's less than 20% of your army.

Even with that in mind, though... No, Sisters of Battle are not overpowered. They're too limited on options and bound to certain, specific builds to be overpowered. If you have lots of good AP at medium strength, you can kill them all really easily.

I can attest that Primaris Marines are amazing against Sisters. Massed S4-5 with AP -1 just shreds them.

Really? Hot pocket marines aren't as good as Razorbacks and Leviathans, and have a tendency to die very easily. Hellblasters, and Incestors to a lesser degree, and really the only Primaris units I've actually even thought about as far as countering goes.

**Kapitan Montag**

Amishprn86 wrote:
pretre wrote:
Do the same that I did with Meltas, convert. Heavy weapons sisters are a godsend for that.

I have something like 40 BSS with Bolters, im going to covert 7 into HB's, 8 into Meltas.

Shouldnt be to hard..... i hope lol.

If you're converting bolsters into melta
https://www.trolls.cz/products/melta-gun-conversion-bit

I used two kits of these to convert 8 sisters to melta doms. Very happy with results.

**pretre**

Those are pretty nice.

**Amishprn86**

$1 per gun? lol no............ I have like 20 Meltas/combi meltas from all my SM bits... no reason to buy more.

**Jancoran**

$1 seems infinitely reasonable to me.

**Amishprn86**

Jancoran wrote:
$1 seems infinitely reasonable to me.

Not when you have 50+ bits that can be used for the same purpose....... and not when i want to covert many of them, why spend 20+ dollars when i have the bits?

**pretre**

Amishprn86 wrote:
Jancoran wrote:
$1 seems infinitely reasonable to me.

Not when you have 50+ bits that can be used for the same purpose....... and not when i want to covert many of them, why spend 20+ dollars when i have the bits?

Well, if you have the bits, why would you even be looking?

It's a reasonable price for someone who needs them.

**Zefig**

Oooh that's a pretty nice little Bit.

**Amishprn86**

pretre wrote:
Amishprn86 wrote:
Jancoran wrote:
$1 seems infinitely reasonable to me.

Not when you have 50+ bits that can be used for the same purpose....... and not when i want to covert many of them, why spend 20+ dollars when i have the bits?

Well, if you have the bits, why would you even be looking?

It's a reasonable price for someone who needs them.

Didnt say i was looking for bits.... i have large amounts of Flamers and Melta bits, i could use some bits for HB's but thats it and i have friends with those that are giving me a few.....

**pretre**

Amishprn86 wrote:
pretre wrote:
Amishprn86 wrote:
Jancoran wrote:
$1 seems infinitely reasonable to me.

Not when you have 50+ bits that can be used for the same purpose....... and not when i want to covert many of them, why spend 20+ dollars when i have the bits?

Well, if you have the bits, why would you even be looking?

It's a reasonable price for someone who needs them.

Didnt say i was looking for bits.... i have large amounts of Flamers and Melta bits, i could use some bits for HB's but thats it and i have friends with those that are giving me a few.....

So why comment then? For those of us who need more meltas, it's a great deal. As for HB, I've posted in this thread how I converted a ton of them for my army.

**Amishprn86**

pretre wrote:
Amishprn86 wrote:
pretre wrote:
Amishprn86 wrote:
Jancoran wrote:
$1 seems infinitely reasonable to me.

Not when you have 50+ bits that can be used for the same purpose....... and not when i want to covert many of them, why spend 20+ dollars when i have the bits?

Well, if you have the bits, why would you even be looking?

It's a reasonable price for someone who needs them.

Didnt say i was looking for bits.... i have large amounts of Flamers and Melta bits, i could use some bits for HB's but thats it and i have friends with those that are giving me a few.....

So why comment then? For those of us who need more meltas, it's a great deal. As for HB, I've posted in this thread how I converted a ton of them for my army.

B.c he quoted me
Bc i think its overpriced anyways
Bc i wanted to say my 0.02c
Why do you get your 0.02c and i dont?

**pretre**

Amishprn86 wrote:
B.c he quoted me
Bc i think its overpriced anyways
Bc i wanted to say my 0.02c
Why do you get your 0.02c and i dont?

Actually, he didn't quote you. And you are welcome to your opinion, it just seemed silly when you don't even need them.

**Amishprn86**

Kapitan Montag wrote:
Amishprn86 wrote:
pretre wrote:
Do the same that I did with Meltas, convert. Heavy weapons sisters are a godsend for that.

I have something like 40 BSS with Bolters, im going to covert 7 into HB's, 8 into Meltas.

Shouldnt be to hard..... i hope lol.

If you're converting bolsters into melta
https://www.trolls.cz/products/melta-gun-conversion-bit

I used two kits of these to convert 8 sisters to melta doms. Very happy with results.

This isnt a quote of me? Oh... i guess there is another Amishprn86

**pretre**

The guy you replied to and the reply I quoted didn't quote you. If you were replying to someone else, try quoting them instead. Whatever, man. Enjoy your day.

**Drider**

Speaking of melta. Bought as squad of seraphim to go along with the odd couple i got off of ebay and had to convert me some of them there Inferno Pistols.

Pretty simple process. cut the barrel and clip off the pistol then smooth down the side. Hack up a melta gun for the barrel and power thing on the side.

Spoiler:

Glue it all together....

Spoiler:

Mug shot of the Seraphim, Inferno pistols are on the right.

Spoiler: