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I have always enjoyed small elite and thematic type armies. Currently working on building a Grey Knight purifier force. Probably add some dreads or toss them all in landraiders and have a go.

That being said what other armies can field decent elite style armies?

Thinking somthing like Crisis Suit Tau? MC Tyranids?

I know the 8th edition meta isn't set but based on what you have been reading and seeing in your games.

Dark Angels Deathwing and Ravenwing are both pretty solid elite armies.

Tau Crisis Suit is probably the most versatile of the "elite" armies without going into vehicle spam.

There's also all-dread armies if you take a Librarian dread (or Bjorn if I remember) as your HQ and then use the Vangard Detachment. Even in normal marine armies you can make due with just a generic HQ and then spam Dreads. Nothing feels more satisfying than having a bunch of Icarus Turrets on legs.

Nidzilla is best done with actual monsters rather than Warriors. Warriors are not so much elite units, but cheap spammable synapse. Their true elite units are either the Warrior-derivatives (Such as the Zoanthrope) or the straight up monstrous creatures.

There is also the Destroyer Cult. Take a Destroyer Lord backed up by Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers in an Outrider Detachment. Destroyers are scarily fast this edition, although I think they lost some of their Ooomph with their higher point cost (and the shot reduction from last edition doesn't help either).

Finally, Eldar Aspect Warriors. They've been forgotten for a long time but some of them have become a lot more useful than before (most notably the Dark Rangers and Shining Spears). Which detachment you field will depend on which slots you need (Banshees and Scorps will need the Vanguard Detachment, Shining Spears need the Outriders, and so forth). They come with a good range of HQ choices since an Avatar is very fluffy (Court of Young Kings anyone?) while an Autarch can mimick your Exarches. Then there's the tried and true Farseer buffer.

Well as Cirssis are terrible I wouldn't recommend that... But SM can pretty much field Custodes, Terminators and Deathwing.

Carnifex spam and Ork Dreadspam seems viable too.

Carnifex spam is ridiculous. They come 3 fexes for the price of 2 ranged dreads and can tear face extremely easily. They're also decently fast to get into face-tearing range.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Carnifex spam is ridiculous. They come 3 fexes for the price of 2 ranged dreads and can tear face extremely easily. They're also decently fast to get into face-tearing range.

Carnifex Spam with Hive Tyrant synapse bubbles? Or just let them do whatever since instinctive behavior doesn't seem so punishing now.


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XeZZ wrote:
Well as Cirssis are terrible I wouldn't recommend that... But SM can pretty much field Custodes, Terminators and Deathwing.

Carnifex spam and Ork Dreadspam seems viable too.

What's wrong with suits this edition?

 TheMostWize wrote:
I have always enjoyed small elite and thematic type armies. Currently working on building a Grey Knight purifier force. Probably add some dreads or toss them all in landraiders and have a go.

That being said what other armies can field decent elite style armies?

Thinking somthing like Crisis Suit Tau? MC Tyranids?

I know the 8th edition meta isn't set but based on what you have been reading and seeing in your games.

Sisters of Battle are elite and very themeatic as well as being able to kick ass.

 TheMostWize wrote:


What's wrong with suits this edition?

Crisis aren't bad, but are quite costly and must come in 3-men groups now, like in 6th; on the other hand, Commanders are better suited to be used in elite lists.
I'd leave Crisis to flamer work, homing beacon'ed by a Stealth Suit team

I feel you should be able to build around Roboute Guilliman ?

How many Dreads can you run in a single list?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:
I have always enjoyed small elite and thematic type armies. Currently working on building a Grey Knight purifier force. Probably add some dreads or toss them all in landraiders and have a go.

That being said what other armies can field decent elite style armies?

Thinking somthing like Crisis Suit Tau? MC Tyranids?

I know the 8th edition meta isn't set but based on what you have been reading and seeing in your games.

Sisters of Battle are elite and very themeatic as well as being able to kick ass.

Just a shame its £50 for one squad.

Gibs55 wrote:
I feel you should be able to build around Roboute Guilliman ?

How many Dreads can you run in a single list?

SUPERHEAVY AUX
Guilliman

VANGUARD
Sgt. Telion

1x Contemptor w/ Kheres
1x Venerable Dread w/ AC and HF
2x Ironclad w/ Dual HF
2x Venerable with Dual AC

1,498 points (per Battlescribe)

I will be running this now, thanks for the idea!

 TheMostWize wrote:

What's wrong with suits this edition?

Like a lot of elite or bigger stuff, the issue is points vs. firepower. A simple anti-infantry suit with 2 burst cannons and advanced targeting system (-1 AP to all weapons) is 70 points. 8 shots, hits on 4s, wounds on 3s, reduces marines to 4+ save. So about 1.32 wounds. 2.64 vs orks, 2.297 vs guard. You can go cheaper by taking less weapons or support systems, but that seems nutty. taking 3 guns might slightly increase the numbers (against marines it doesn't, 1.307, but does against orks- 3.445), but generally the point cost goes up from there. A pair of missile pods and an ATS is nearly 100 points per suit, though surprisingly good against light vehicles.

Markerlights, of course, help but you really want a full 5 stack against targets, which pretty much requires a full pathfinder team, which is 70 more points, which can't skimp on the lights to take the rifle upgrades.

Chaos can do elite pretty well this edition. Seen a couple people running lists that are just a bunch of different daemon princes to great success.

A lot of fun ideas here! Don't care too much about winning just want to have fun and be able to have a chance at pulling off a win.

orks with nobs and warbosses in trukks can be pretty badass.

Nobs chew through alot of stuff with their big choppas.

Nobs with kombi skorchas have some of the best shooting in the ork codex ironically.

Nobs with ghazzy and choppas have a ton of attacks.

Trukks can lockup units by charging them and beeping the horn.

Nobs are cheap as gak given that they have been crap forever, and come for free in just about any ork collecting box ever.

I am totally new and looking to build my first 40k army in a long time also. Therefore low model count is key simply from an affordability perspective.

I am narrowing the list down to the following ideas;

1) Ultramarines 'Primaries' built around Guilliman

2) Dark Angels Deathwing. Belial with DW Knights and Azrael in the backline with 3x Dreads

3) Imperial Knights army

After reviewing the book as a new player, and therefore in my inexperienced opinion I am leaning towards the Deathwing Army. Both special characters 'look cool' and they do cool things that I feel will have a big impact on the playstyle of the army. In all honestly I have no idea how best to use the Imperial Knights in list building.....haha

Harlequins? Small, elite, cool models and look like the have had quite the buff this edition.

I really don't find Imperial Knights appropiate for a "cheap army". You need 4 for a 2.000 point army. With discounts at least in euros that comes down to something like 400€, so maybe 450$. You can have other "elite" armies to 2k points for cheaper. An example are deathwing yes.

I've started on my Tyrannical War Ultramarines 1st Co, so it's all Terminators, Veterans, Dreadnoughts and tanks for me! I missed the Biker Veterans on my first look through the Index Imperium - they're new, right? Effectively dual-wielding combi-weapons looks pretty beastly. I might have to get several squads... five combi-flamers to deal with hordes, five combi-plasma to deal with... well, anything, five combi-Melta to hunt big stuff, and five assorted melee weapons to be a mobile unit of 'knights'. I'm not sure what to do with my Terminators, though - I originally wanted two of each heavy weapon and a full squad each of LCs and THSS but then Cataphractii & Tartaros came along and I feel spoiled for choice...

 lindsay40k wrote:
I've started on my Tyrannical War Ultramarines 1st Co, so it's all Terminators, Veterans, Dreadnoughts and tanks for me! I missed the Biker Veterans on my first look through the Index Imperium - they're new, right? Effectively dual-wielding combi-weapons looks pretty beastly. I might have to get several squads... five combi-flamers to deal with hordes, five combi-plasma to deal with... well, anything, five combi-Melta to hunt big stuff, and five assorted melee weapons to be a mobile unit of 'knights'. I'm not sure what to do with my Terminators, though - I originally wanted two of each heavy weapon and a full squad each of LCs and THSS but then Cataphractii & Tartaros came along and I feel spoiled for choice...

Sounds awesome, Tyrannical War Ultramarines 1st Co, sounds really cool and would look great on the table.

Question: Cataphractii & Tartaros what is the benefit of using them over regular Terminators? I am reading Imperium 1 and they just seem worse off?

Gibs55 wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:
I've started on my Tyrannical War Ultramarines 1st Co, so it's all Terminators, Veterans, Dreadnoughts and tanks for me! I missed the Biker Veterans on my first look through the Index Imperium - they're new, right? Effectively dual-wielding combi-weapons looks pretty beastly. I might have to get several squads... five combi-flamers to deal with hordes, five combi-plasma to deal with... well, anything, five combi-Melta to hunt big stuff, and five assorted melee weapons to be a mobile unit of 'knights'. I'm not sure what to do with my Terminators, though - I originally wanted two of each heavy weapon and a full squad each of LCs and THSS but then Cataphractii & Tartaros came along and I feel spoiled for choice...

Sounds awesome, Tyrannical War Ultramarines 1st Co, sounds really cool and would look great on the table.

Question: Cataphractii & Tartaros what is the benefit of using them over regular Terminators? I am reading Imperium 1 and they just seem worse off?

cataphractii have a higher invul bonus,tartaros have a better move.

BrianDavion wrote:

Gibs55 wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:
I've started on my Tyrannical War Ultramarines 1st Co, so it's all Terminators, Veterans, Dreadnoughts and tanks for me! I missed the Biker Veterans on my first look through the Index Imperium - they're new, right? Effectively dual-wielding combi-weapons looks pretty beastly. I might have to get several squads... five combi-flamers to deal with hordes, five combi-plasma to deal with... well, anything, five combi-Melta to hunt big stuff, and five assorted melee weapons to be a mobile unit of 'knights'. I'm not sure what to do with my Terminators, though - I originally wanted two of each heavy weapon and a full squad each of LCs and THSS but then Cataphractii & Tartaros came along and I feel spoiled for choice...

Sounds awesome, Tyrannical War Ultramarines 1st Co, sounds really cool and would look great on the table.

Question: Cataphractii & Tartaros what is the benefit of using them over regular Terminators? I am reading Imperium 1 and they just seem worse off?

cataphractii have a higher invul bonus,tartaros have a better move.

Is the higher save worth the massive movement penalty?

It's situational, generally speaking the answer is no. however if you really want a squad of terminators to dig in on an area and hold it, cataphractis are gonna be a bit better. also in a points POV, standard termies are much much more efficant, HOWEVER if you want a lightning claw terminator squad, cataphractis are the cheaper option.

I imagine cataphractis would be pretty useful if you dropped em in cover on an objective, and ran em with 8 lightning claws, a heavy flamer a power fist, a grenade harness and dared a hrode enemy to come dislodge you.

Militarum Tempest are semi-elite guardsmen.

Yeah, I already built five Cataphractii with LCs, Flamer-Chainfist, LC-Chainfist. This was in 7ed - the last one is going to switch to twin LCs, and the rest of the squad will fall in line.

Generally going to drop them on an objective in no mans land or near some unprotected heavy firebase, throwing in an accompanying Librarian to give them re-roll charges to try a wolverine rushdown or Veil of Time to really laugh at charging hordes.

Tartaros will be split between a fireteam with two Reapers, focussing on T7 targets because that's their weird sweet spot, and a LC rushdown squad with a couple of Grenade Harnesses and a Volkite Charger & Chainfist making the most of Assault as they run to a charging position. Maybe switch VC for a Plasma Blaster, but I'd like to take a bit of everything.

Been drafting an army list, the Warlord is going to be a homemade special character, will use points values from Tartaros and Deathwatch to price his wargear up.



I'm thinking about changing a Sternguard squad to all Plasma and having them in the Crusader with Invictus and the Ancient. That'll be one hell of a driveby.

You can add Aeldari Spirithost to the list. My 1000 point list has 18 models / 4 deployments, and going to 2000 only adds another 4.

 lindsay40k wrote:
Yeah, I already built five Cataphractii with LCs, Flamer-Chainfist, LC-Chainfist. This was in 7ed - the last one is going to switch to twin LCs, and the rest of the squad will fall in line.

Generally going to drop them on an objective in no mans land or near some unprotected heavy firebase, throwing in an accompanying Librarian to give them re-roll charges to try a wolverine rushdown or Veil of Time to really laugh at charging hordes.

Tartaros will be split between a fireteam with two Reapers, focussing on T7 targets because that's their weird sweet spot, and a LC rushdown squad with a couple of Grenade Harnesses and a Volkite Charger & Chainfist making the most of Assault as they run to a charging position. Maybe switch VC for a Plasma Blaster, but I'd like to take a bit of everything.

Been drafting an army list, the Warlord is going to be a homemade special character, will use points values from Tartaros and Deathwatch to price his wargear up.

Spoiler:

TYRANNIC WAR ULTRAMARINES

CAPTAIN INVICTUS
Terminator Captain, Plasma Blaster, Power Fist, Melta Gun

CHAPLAIN SERTORIUS
Terminator Chaplain

HONOUR GUARD
RAZORBACK

COMPANY ANCIENT

COMPANY CHAMPION

APOTHECARY ANTYLLUS
Apothecary

LIBRARIAN FEROX
Terminator Librarian

LIBRARIAN
With Jump Pack

LIBRARIAN
On bike

VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT
Dual twin Autocannons

VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT
Plasma Cannon, Power Fist, Storm Bolter

VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT
Assault Cannon, Power Fist, Heavy Flamer

CONTEMPTOR DREADNOUGHT



CATAPHRACTII TERMINATOR SQUAD
8 Dual Lightning Claws, 2 Heavy Flamers, 2 Chainfists, Grenade Harness

TARTAROS TERMINATOR SQUAD
4 Dual Lightning Claws, 2 Reaper Autocannon, Volkite Charger, 2 Grenade Harnesses, 2 Chainfist

TERMINATOR ASSAULT SQUAD
10 THSS

TERMINATOR SQUAD
2 Assault Cannon, 2 Chainfist

TERMINATOR SQUAD
2 Cyclone, 2 Chainfist

STERNGUARD SQUAD
8 combi flamer, 2 heavy flamer, power fist
RHINO

STERNGUARD SQUAD
5 combi plasma, 2 lascannon, power axe
RAZORBACK

VANGUARD SQUAD
Jump packs, 2 thunder hammers, Relic Blade, 5 Plasma Pistols, 2 Storm Shields, 2 Power Swords, 2 Power Axes

BIKER VETERANS
5 combi flamer, 5 combi Melta

BIKER VETERANS
5 combi plasma, 1 storm shield, 2 thunder hammer, 2 power axe


PREDATOR SQUADRON

VARIOUS ARTILLERY, AIRCRAFT, TECHMARINES

LAND RAIDER

LAND RAIDER

LAND RAIDER EXCELSOIR

LAND RAIDER PROMETHEUS

LAND RAIDER CRUSADER

I'm thinking about changing a Sternguard squad to all Plasma and having them in the Crusader with Invictus and the Ancient. That'll be one hell of a driveby.

since your list reminded me, I checked, and apparently deathwatch terminators lost the ability to get the built in meltagun on their power fists?

^ 'Powerfist & Melta gun' is one of their Terminator Melee Weapons

Working on a dreadmob Ork list currently for my next army. At 2k points which is where my group mostly plays at I can field two spear head detachments (the heavy support one) 2 meks as HQs and then use all the slots for 21 killakans and 3 deff dreads. It seems like it will be fun! Most likely will be rotating in things like gorkanauts and morkanauts if needed.

hi.

i need some feedback.

i have never played 40k more then a few small 500p games in 7th, so i am basicly brand new to the system.

i have however no patience to paint big number of models so i was wondering if for a totaly casual playstyle a tau force of only mec suits(maybe 1 hammerhead in there) can be playable in the 500-1000p range(dont know what that is in the new powr score system)

i know that wont leave me whit many actual models on the table vsa traditional army whit infantry, but considering the small point scale i am aiming for and only casual gameing, can it work?