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Honestly, i imagine they will probably take over the units from the index and boost them to a playable level. We proabably also get maybee a stronger structure torwards IG structures as in we maybee get orders or other benefits?
Elite Level i am fairly certain that we will keep what we got, maybee we get beastmen/ bigger mutants as a elite choice.
I also think they will tie the demagogue devotions to the basic faction traits, which in all honesty could be fairly great. Probably they also let us combine them with the former mark benefits of the coven?
In a way, they basically got an relatively easy way by just adapting the IA13 list for 8th, what with demagogue devotions and the covenants basically beeing easily able to fullfill the purpose of faction traits.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Honestly, i imagine they will probably take over the units from the index and boost them to a playable level. We proabably also get maybee a stronger structure torwards IG structures as in we maybee get orders or other benefits?
Elite Level i am fairly certain that we will keep what we got, maybee we get beastmen/ bigger mutants as a elite choice.
I also think they will tie the demagogue devotions to the basic faction traits, which in all honesty could be fairly great. Probably they also let us combine them with the former mark benefits of the coven?
In a way, they basically got an relatively easy way by just adapting the IA13 list for 8th, what with demagogue devotions and the covenants basically beeing easily able to fullfill the purpose of faction traits.

If they stick with the extra wound on squad leaders not only would it be unqiue and appropriate it would make our troopers more flexable for melee or shooting . The extra wound may just be for blackstone tho but if not then Take my Moneys gw

Also to note that beastmen are 6 points each

. The Traitor Guard codex itself will also just be an Astra Militarum in a plastic bag with a spikey bits sprue in it.

Really had my hopes up there. This is obviously satire and we are NOT getting a codex.

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Honestly, i imagine they will probably take over the units from the index and boost them to a playable level. We proabably also get maybee a stronger structure torwards IG structures as in we maybee get orders or other benefits?
Elite Level i am fairly certain that we will keep what we got, maybee we get beastmen/ bigger mutants as a elite choice.
I also think they will tie the demagogue devotions to the basic faction traits, which in all honesty could be fairly great. Probably they also let us combine them with the former mark benefits of the coven?
In a way, they basically got an relatively easy way by just adapting the IA13 list for 8th, what with demagogue devotions and the covenants basically beeing easily able to fullfill the purpose of faction traits.

If they stick with the extra wound on squad leaders not only would it be unqiue and appropriate it would make our troopers more flexable for melee or shooting . The extra wound may just be for blackstone tho but if not then Take my Moneys gw

Also to note that beastmen are 6 points each

Kinda difficult no? They would fit the bill for a Melee orientated Elite choice, but we will see. I also think the 6 ppm is a given so they are about as good as Disciples /marauders (maybee tougher but no BS and armor?!?)

@ph34r: Considering A: That the traitor Guardsmen are explicitly named Traitor Guardsmen and B: The Rogue psyker named like what he is in R&H i would imagine that yes, actually we are very likely to get a codex.
Not to mention that GW revived GSC and did the one thing people said that the hell would freeze over before, giving sisters an update.
I imagine that lost and the damned / R&H will get out alongside the Cult legions, and as part of a general update to the CSM lineup which is preeeeeeeety old now. Heck Abbadon is older then some people in this forum, it's about time the (h)armless would get an update, especially now what with the whole advancement in story.
What surprises me though, positively, that Huron Blackheart got a mention in the news for Blackstone fortress, because in all honesty, i would prefer this dude over abbadon, simply because he actually gets gak done and he actually has or seems to have a plan, unlike failbaddon.

 ph34r wrote:

. The Traitor Guard codex itself will also just be an Astra Militarum in a plastic bag with a spikey bits sprue in it.

Really had my hopes up there. This is obviously satire and we are NOT getting a codex.

https://spikeybits.com/2018/01/100-completely-factual-40k-rumors-for-2018.html

Again it could be refering to Upgrade kits like the primius have for chspters and refering to it being Closer to imperial guard stats which will still be a. Mass improvement and the fact they mentioned it coming and the collectors ed having deamons in. It hint to an actual codex. Also the fact they said a codex is coming just not new models.

Did you actually read that link ulfhednir86?

All of the rumors are obvious satire and things that are jokes and will never happen. Also it is from ten months ago.

Your link is a joke, and the title COMPLETELY FACTUAL RUMORS should immediately give that away.

 ph34r wrote:
Did you actually read that link ulfhednir86?

All of the rumors are obvious satire and things that are jokes and will never happen. Also it is from ten months ago.

Your link is a joke, and the title COMPLETELY FACTUAL RUMORS should immediately give that away.

Ok then How about the fact that the new models are available in. The blackstone fortress box set and gw said they can be used in 40k games and has point costs for them as well including chaos beastmen?

That quote is from Spikey Bits.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, but it would be nice if it happened. Some of the other rumors in that thread were about Fried Chicken.

Forgeworld has been removing Traitor Guard models for some time now, it would not surprise to me to learn GW is moving in this direction.

However, while I am not a rumor monger, I heard different.

 techsoldaten wrote:
That quote is from Spikey Bits.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, but it would be nice if it happened. Some of the other rumors in that thread were about Fried Chicken.

Forgeworld has been removing Traitor Guard models for some time now, it would not surprise to me to learn GW is moving in this direction.

However, while I am not a rumor monger, I heard different.

I do Concur and am hopeful and sceptical at the same time of these rumours. Even a brood brothers like regiment would improve it but a full codex will be the best

I also got this reply and hopeful again

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Did you actually read that link ulfhednir86?

All of the rumors are obvious satire and things that are jokes and will never happen. Also it is from ten months ago.

Your link is a joke, and the title COMPLETELY FACTUAL RUMORS should immediately give that away.

Ok then How about the fact that the new models are available in. The blackstone fortress box set and gw said they can be used in 40k games and has point costs for them as well including chaos beastmen?

The plot will continue to advance. Cypher will reveal to Roboute Guilliman the Dark Angels best kept secret: Luther’s blend of herbs and spices that make the secret original recipe for his world famous Caliban Fried Chicken.

You think that kind of source is reliable?-)

Good news is that joke is likely coming true eventually but in better shape than the joke version

tneva82 wrote:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Did you actually read that link ulfhednir86?

All of the rumors are obvious satire and things that are jokes and will never happen. Also it is from ten months ago.

Your link is a joke, and the title COMPLETELY FACTUAL RUMORS should immediately give that away.

Ok then How about the fact that the new models are available in. The blackstone fortress box set and gw said they can be used in 40k games and has point costs for them as well including chaos beastmen?

The plot will continue to advance. Cypher will reveal to Roboute Guilliman the Dark Angels best kept secret: Luther’s blend of herbs and spices that make the secret original recipe for his world famous Caliban Fried Chicken.

You think that kind of source is reliable?-)

Good news is that joke is likely coming true eventually but in better shape than the joke version

From the screenshot above your comment looks like at least we will be getting some new troops from gw which we all know is our one of our biggest pitfalls which will be announced soon according to them. So new models, units and potentially a codex or updated rules i think we will he getting some good news.

Yeah, we are going to get rules for squads of Exactly Seven And A Flamer No More No Less guardsmen to be used in 40k, but that is a far far cry from "we are finally getting a codex!!!"

 ph34r wrote:
Yeah, we are going to get rules for squads of Exactly Seven And A Flamer No More No Less guardsmen to be used in 40k, but that is a far far cry from "we are finally getting a codex!!!"

I highly doubt they would limit the squad size to 7 for 40k that would be stupid especially when they will nees to write new stats for them anyway as the blackfortress does not use standard stats and allowing larger squad sizes and weapon options increases their sales.
Also a squad of 7 traitor guard is still better than current troop options so we are still better off. We will have to see when they announce it. If sisters can get a codex and plastic models we can get a rule update.

Well, they limited the Elucidian Starstriders infantry to exactly 4 models so I would say the precedent for a severe lack of customization is there.

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Yeah, we are going to get rules for squads of Exactly Seven And A Flamer No More No Less guardsmen to be used in 40k, but that is a far far cry from "we are finally getting a codex!!!"

I highly doubt they would limit the squad size to 7 for 40k that would be stupid especially when they will nees to write new stats for them anyway as the blackfortress does not use standard stats and allowing larger squad sizes and weapon options increases their sales.
Also a squad of 7 traitor guard is still better than current troop options so we are still better off. We will have to see when they announce it. If sisters can get a codex and plastic models we can get a rule update.

Well, I have been talking to people who should know about whether or not there's going to be a Black Legion supplement for 8th edition.

What I was told is that BSF is as close as we are going to get to a supplement. I think that meant Traitor Guard and Beastmen are now something you can include in your CSM army.

Who knows if there's more to expect from than that. I'm not optimistic but open to being surprised somewhere down the road.

What would really be the big deal for me would be if the new Traitor Guard get the Renegades + Heretics keyword. If they become basically the same as Cultists that is a bit weaksauce to me.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Yeah, we are going to get rules for squads of Exactly Seven And A Flamer No More No Less guardsmen to be used in 40k, but that is a far far cry from "we are finally getting a codex!!!"

I highly doubt they would limit the squad size to 7 for 40k that would be stupid especially when they will nees to write new stats for them anyway as the blackfortress does not use standard stats and allowing larger squad sizes and weapon options increases their sales.
Also a squad of 7 traitor guard is still better than current troop options so we are still better off. We will have to see when they announce it. If sisters can get a codex and plastic models we can get a rule update.

Well, I have been talking to people who should know about whether or not there's going to be a Black Legion supplement for 8th edition.

What I was told is that BSF is as close as we are going to get to a supplement. I think that meant Traitor Guard and Beastmen are now something you can include in your CSM army.

Who knows if there's more to expect from than that. I'm not optimistic but open to being surprised somewhere down the road.

Rather than CSM did they mention renegades and heretics?

 techsoldaten wrote:

Well, I have been talking to people who should know about whether or not there's going to be a Black Legion supplement for 8th edition.

What I was told is that BSF is as close as we are going to get to a supplement. I think that meant Traitor Guard and Beastmen are now something you can include in your CSM army.

Who knows if there's more to expect from than that. I'm not optimistic but open to being surprised somewhere down the road.

You said Black Legion.... Did you mean to say Renegades and Heretics?

The plot will continue to advance. Cypher will reveal to Roboute Guilliman the Dark Angels best kept secret: Luther’s blend of herbs and spices that make the secret original recipe for his world famous Caliban Fried Chicken.

You think that kind of source is reliable?-)

Good news is that joke is likely coming true eventually but in better shape than the joke version

I mean for a joke post they were eerily on point though.

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

From the screenshot above your comment looks like at least we will be getting some new troops from gw which we all know is our one of our biggest pitfalls which will be announced soon according to them. So new models, units and potentially a codex or updated rules i think we will he getting some good news.

Yes but they are 100% unrelated to the joke rumour linked by you. They are not "upgrade sprue" and the codex won't be IG codex+upgrade sprue. That joke rumour was done purely as joke with no relation to the blackstone fortress figures.

Good news is joke rumour would have been lackluster release especially model wise. Real deal is better than the joke would have been if it had been real.


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 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Yeah, we are going to get rules for squads of Exactly Seven And A Flamer No More No Less guardsmen to be used in 40k, but that is a far far cry from "we are finally getting a codex!!!"

I highly doubt they would limit the squad size to 7 for 40k that would be stupid especially when they will nees to write new stats for them anyway as the blackfortress does not use standard stats and allowing larger squad sizes and weapon options increases their sales.
Also a squad of 7 traitor guard is still better than current troop options so we are still better off. We will have to see when they announce it. If sisters can get a codex and plastic models we can get a rule update.

Imperium players were glamouring for the rogue trader troops as new units. Instead they got 1 fixed size unit and that's it. Don't count on getting better than that until proper codex comes up.

tneva82 wrote:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

From the screenshot above your comment looks like at least we will be getting some new troops from gw which we all know is our one of our biggest pitfalls which will be announced soon according to them. So new models, units and potentially a codex or updated rules i think we will he getting some good news.

Yes but they are 100% unrelated to the joke rumour linked by you. They are not "upgrade sprue" and the codex won't be IG codex+upgrade sprue. That joke rumour was done purely as joke with no relation to the blackstone fortress figures.

Good news is joke rumour would have been lackluster release especially model wise. Real deal is better than the joke would have been if it had been real.


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 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Yeah, we are going to get rules for squads of Exactly Seven And A Flamer No More No Less guardsmen to be used in 40k, but that is a far far cry from "we are finally getting a codex!!!"

I highly doubt they would limit the squad size to 7 for 40k that would be stupid especially when they will nees to write new stats for them anyway as the blackfortress does not use standard stats and allowing larger squad sizes and weapon options increases their sales.
Also a squad of 7 traitor guard is still better than current troop options so we are still better off. We will have to see when they announce it. If sisters can get a codex and plastic models we can get a rule update.

Imperium players were glamouring for the rogue trader troops as new units. Instead they got 1 fixed size unit and that's it. Don't count on getting better than that until proper codex comes up.

By the sound of your pessimism we are not getting a codex anyway. But again 30pt rogue psycher, 6pt beastmen, 4pt tratior guard and possibly dark magos still better than we were before.

I'm not sure I'd attribute us not getting a codex to pesimmism as much as I would say any assumption that we are getting a codex is based on a blatant joke-article..... It's not really pessimistic to think that we won't get something for which there has been zero official indication.

Now, Rogue Trader had "mini codexes", we might get one of those? That would not be the worst.

 ph34r wrote:
I'm not sure I'd attribute us not getting a codex to pesimmism as much as I would say any assumption that we are getting a codex is based on a blatant joke-article..... It's not really pessimistic to think that we won't get something for which there has been zero official indication.

Now, Rogue Trader had "mini codexes", we might get one of those? That would not be the worst.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/11/40knew-minis-point-to-a-return-of-codex-lost-the-damned.html

And the fact they commeted thst there is news coming soon on the offical fb page

 ph34r wrote:
I'm not sure I'd attribute us not getting a codex to pesimmism as much as I would say any assumption that we are getting a codex is based on a blatant joke-article..... It's not really pessimistic to think that we won't get something for which there has been zero official indication.

Now, Rogue Trader had "mini codexes", we might get one of those? That would not be the worst.

I could live with that.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I'm not sure I'd attribute us not getting a codex to pesimmism as much as I would say any assumption that we are getting a codex is based on a blatant joke-article..... It's not really pessimistic to think that we won't get something for which there has been zero official indication.

Now, Rogue Trader had "mini codexes", we might get one of those? That would not be the worst.

I could live with that.

Me too. I started to carve off the shoulder pads off my guardmens because of their 6+ save and looks neat but now doesnt look like i need too. Assuming By the images and name that they have flak armour making them the best horde unit available to chaos.

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I'm not sure I'd attribute us not getting a codex to pesimmism as much as I would say any assumption that we are getting a codex is based on a blatant joke-article..... It's not really pessimistic to think that we won't get something for which there has been zero official indication.

Now, Rogue Trader had "mini codexes", we might get one of those? That would not be the worst.

I could live with that.

Me too. I started to carve off the shoulder pads off my guardmens because of their 6+ save and looks neat but now doesnt look like i need too. Assuming By the images and name that they have flak armour making them the best horde unit available to chaos.

Why would you do that? you could just paint and make them look like they were in terrible condition.

As for the stats, we have no idea, just like we don't have one for units sizes beyond that atleast 5 + lead to an sergant.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I'm not sure I'd attribute us not getting a codex to pesimmism as much as I would say any assumption that we are getting a codex is based on a blatant joke-article..... It's not really pessimistic to think that we won't get something for which there has been zero official indication.

Now, Rogue Trader had "mini codexes", we might get one of those? That would not be the worst.

I could live with that.

Me too. I started to carve off the shoulder pads off my guardmens because of their 6+ save and looks neat but now doesnt look like i need too. Assuming By the images and name that they have flak armour making them the best horde unit available to chaos.

Why would you do that? you could just paint and make them look like they were in terrible condition.

As for the stats, we have no idea, just like we don't have one for units sizes beyond that atleast 5 + lead to an sergant.

My display pic is one reason.

 ph34r wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

Well, I have been talking to people who should know about whether or not there's going to be a Black Legion supplement for 8th edition.

What I was told is that BSF is as close as we are going to get to a supplement. I think that meant Traitor Guard and Beastmen are now something you can include in your CSM army.

Who knows if there's more to expect from than that. I'm not optimistic but open to being surprised somewhere down the road.

You said Black Legion.... Did you mean to say Renegades and Heretics?

Haha... no. And please don't interpret anything I have to say as a rumor. It's safe to assume I'm an optimistic wishlister informed by some very non-specific conversations.

A few other Black Legion players and I coordinate and share notes. We've been pressing some creative / marketing types we know for details on a Black Legion supplement for 8th edition. The people we talk to are tight lipped but we occasionally get some useful information.

The comment I posted - that this is as close as we are going to get to a Black Legion supplement - is exactly what we were told. I think it's a reference to the fact Black Legion is the largest and most diverse Traitor Legion. Also, it's a Blackstone Fortress, that's Abaddon's thing.

FWIW, the person who said this could be misleading us or misinformed. We're not talking with anyone having anything to do with release schedules. The most we ever see is a spreadsheet with titles we don't always understand and the contents of that document are usually already being discussed on Dakka.

That said, we noticed that Forgeworld Renegade Cultists have been going away. I have no special insight into why that's happening only that it's happening around the same time as the release of BSF.

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

From the screenshot above your comment looks like at least we will be getting some new troops from gw which we all know is our one of our biggest pitfalls which will be announced soon according to them. So new models, units and potentially a codex or updated rules i think we will he getting some good news.

Yes but they are 100% unrelated to the joke rumour linked by you. They are not "upgrade sprue" and the codex won't be IG codex+upgrade sprue. That joke rumour was done purely as joke with no relation to the blackstone fortress figures.

Good news is joke rumour would have been lackluster release especially model wise. Real deal is better than the joke would have been if it had been real.


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 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Yeah, we are going to get rules for squads of Exactly Seven And A Flamer No More No Less guardsmen to be used in 40k, but that is a far far cry from "we are finally getting a codex!!!"

I highly doubt they would limit the squad size to 7 for 40k that would be stupid especially when they will nees to write new stats for them anyway as the blackfortress does not use standard stats and allowing larger squad sizes and weapon options increases their sales.
Also a squad of 7 traitor guard is still better than current troop options so we are still better off. We will have to see when they announce it. If sisters can get a codex and plastic models we can get a rule update.

Imperium players were glamouring for the rogue trader troops as new units. Instead they got 1 fixed size unit and that's it. Don't count on getting better than that until proper codex comes up.

By the sound of your pessimism we are not getting a codex anyway. But again 30pt rogue psycher, 6pt beastmen, 4pt tratior guard and possibly dark magos still better than we were before.

Good thing to know reading comprehension still low as hell in dakkadakka if you think i said no codex coming.
Btw beastmen in bsf are indeed max 1 unit in army...probably rest too


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 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I'm not sure I'd attribute us not getting a codex to pesimmism as much as I would say any assumption that we are getting a codex is based on a blatant joke-article..... It's not really pessimistic to think that we won't get something for which there has been zero official indication.

Now, Rogue Trader had "mini codexes", we might get one of those? That would not be the worst.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/11/40knew-minis-point-to-a-return-of-codex-lost-the-damned.html

And the fact they commeted thst there is news coming soon on the offical fb page

And that's related to joke rumour...how? I keep saying the joke rumour is and was false which is good! Why you even want that joke rumour be true as if it was your codex would be imperial guard codex? That you can buy already...