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I will give you daemonhood Status if you manage to have your arty survive until t3.

Not Online!!! wrote:
I will give you daemonhood Status if you manage to have your arty survive until t3.

Yeah, true. I don't really build for competitive, I just like the Noctilith as a noice centerpiece.

 skonis wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I will give you daemonhood Status if you manage to have your arty survive until t3.

Yeah, true. I don't really build for competitive, I just like the Noctilith as a noice centerpiece.

You know considering the lackluster quality of our troops (except If you use my betarules) you probably would not missnvest in it.

I am unsure if I should laugh are be sad.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 skonis wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I will give you daemonhood Status if you manage to have your arty survive until t3.

Yeah, true. I don't really build for competitive, I just like the Noctilith as a noice centerpiece.

You know considering the lackluster quality of our troops (except If you use my betarules) you probably would not missnvest in it.

I am unsure if I should laugh are be sad.

Always laugh. Winning with a mid-tier army is satisfying, winning with a cheese list is expected, winning with a bottom-of-the-barrel-keep-scraping-you'll-get-there-eventually army is like a surprise present. That's the reason I made an Ogre team for BB. It ain't about the win, it's about the game.

Plus, our boys are much more flavorful than 90% of the armies out there.

Always laugh. Winning with a mid-tier army is satisfying, winning with a cheese list is expected, winning with a bottom-of-the-barrel-keep-scraping-you'll-get-there-eventually army is like a surprise present. That's the reason I made an Ogre team for BB. It ain't about the win, it's about the game.

Plus, our boys are much more flavorful than 90% of the armies out there.

Our Boys were once truly flavourfull, when we had a solid mid Tier dex.
Now the index feels more like a bunch of random murderhobos that have raided a munutorium stockpile world, then a propper Revolution, traitor guard, Raider, etc.

But you are indeed correct, when you pull that win out off your pockets, a remarkable feeling.
Also csm regular cultists are now nearly as bad as ours

Not Online!!! wrote:

Always laugh. Winning with a mid-tier army is satisfying, winning with a cheese list is expected, winning with a bottom-of-the-barrel-keep-scraping-you'll-get-there-eventually army is like a surprise present. That's the reason I made an Ogre team for BB. It ain't about the win, it's about the game.

Plus, our boys are much more flavorful than 90% of the armies out there.

Our Boys were once truly flavourfull, when we had a solid mid Tier dex.
Now the index feels more like a bunch of random murderhobos that have raided a munutorium stockpile world, then a propper Revolution, traitor guard, Raider, etc.

But you are indeed correct, when you pull that win out off your pockets, a remarkable feeling.
Also csm regular cultists are now nearly as bad as ours

It ain't easy being a Heretic. Damn loyalists get all the shinies.

What’s the best way to arm a mob of 50 mutants? Autoguns or shotguns?

Dark blessings heretics,
We have a whisper in the warp of a codex.
Too many times these whispers have been nothing but deamonic trickery but just to make you aware of what stirs on vigilius

Hereticus Militrum

Could just be fluff...I want to be positive, but don't want to get my hopes up.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Could just be fluff...I want to be positive, but don't want to get my hopes up.

My thoughts exactly but just making all aware.


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But the fact they called them hereticus militrum instead of renegades and heretics is a good sign

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Could just be fluff...I want to be positive, but don't want to get my hopes up.

My thoughts exactly but just making all aware.


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But the fact they called them hereticus militrum instead of renegades and heretics is a good sign

Hmm, a surprise, sadly only traitor regiments.

On the other hand, would they just throw fluff in there?


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Time of madness wrote:
What’s the best way to arm a mob of 50 mutants? Autoguns or shotguns?

Depends on the Job intended for them, autoguns for when you use them as a screen with an enforcer, shotguns when you just throw them at the enemy.


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Time of madness wrote:
What’s the best way to arm a mob of 50 mutants? Autoguns or shotguns?

Depends on the Job intended for them, autoguns for when you use them as a screen with an enforcer, shotguns when you just throw them at the enemy.

Time of madness wrote:
What’s the best way to arm a mob of 50 mutants? Autoguns or shotguns?

Saw this last night, but didn't have time to reply. Short answer is what Not Online said: Autoguns to pile bodies on something, and Shotguns to run up to the enemy and shoot them in the face. I'm heading out now, but in a couple of hours I can wrangle some excel-fu, and tell you how they perform against different benchmarks.

Of course, if you want to embrace the magic and the love that is playing R&H, you can run them with Stub Revolvers and confuse the enemy.

 skonis wrote:

Time of madness wrote:
What’s the best way to arm a mob of 50 mutants? Autoguns or shotguns?

Saw this last night, but didn't have time to reply. Short answer is what Not Online said: Autoguns to pile bodies on something, and Shotguns to run up to the enemy and shoot them in the face. I'm heading out now, but in a couple of hours I can wrangle some excel-fu, and tell you how they perform against different benchmarks.

Of course, if you want to embrace the magic and the love that is playing R&H, you can run them with Stub Revolvers and confuse the enemy.

Well the stubpistol is op, just not the one we have, gsc get's the liberator, we get the crude sickly little brother made out of pipes.

Time of madness wrote:
What’s the best way to arm a mob of 50 mutants? Autoguns or shotguns?

So, just finished up lunch and cooked this up:


Size Weapon GEQ MEQ TEQ
10 Autogun 1.089 0.35937 0.17424
Autogun (RF range) 2.178 0.71874 0.34848
Autopistol 1.089 0.35937 0.17424
Shotgun 2.178 0.71874 0.34848
Shotgun (Half range) 2.87496 1.089 0.528
Stub 2.178 0.35937 0.17424
30 Autogun 3.267 1.07811 0.52272
Autogun (RF range) 6.534 2.15622 1.04544
Autopistol 3.267 1.07811 0.52272
Shotgun 6.534 2.15622 1.04544
Shotgun (Half range) 8.62488 3.267 1.584
Stub 6.534 1.07811 0.52272
50 Autogun 5.445 1.79685 0.8712
Autogun (RF range) 10.89 3.5937 1.7424
Autopistol 5.445 1.79685 0.8712
Shotgun 10.89 3.5937 1.7424
Shotgun (Half range) 14.3748 5.445 2.64
Stub 10.89 1.79685 0.8712


Unsaved wounds against GEQ, MEQ, and TEQ for all loadouts, for groups of 10, 30, and 50 Mutants. Keep in mind that Mutants have a 33% chance of getting an extra attack at the beginning of the game, and that this could make Mutant charges srsbzns.

I'm building mine with shotguns (except the champ) so I can run them into people screaming, like the subhuman scum they are.

EDIT: Sorry for the wonky columns, the image link wasn't working, so I pasted it

Is it better to have 10-man squads of disciples with a heavy weapon, or have several 5-man squads with a heavy weapon in each?

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Is it better to have 10-man squads of disciples with a heavy weapon, or have several 5-man squads with a heavy weapon in each?

Better for what, exactly?

As an example, imagine you want some autocannons. A MSU disciple squad with Champion, two Disciples, and a HWT with Autocannon will run you 1 point more than a Renegade Heavy Weapons Squad with three Autocannons. Sure, the Disciples have a 3+ versus the HWS's 5+, but 2 shots at 3+ is 1.32 hits while 6 shots at 5+ is 1.98 hits.

If it's about cramming in Heavy Weapons, there are other ways. Running 10 man Disciple squads also gives some protection against moral. Runing multiple MSUs of a decent Elite unit will cram your slots and make you reach the Rule of Three that much quicker.

Edit for clarity. I should really sleep.

 skonis wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Is it better to have 10-man squads of disciples with a heavy weapon, or have several 5-man squads with a heavy weapon in each?

Better for what, exactly?

As an example, imagine you want some autocannons. A MSU disciple squad with Champion, two Disciples, and a HWT with Autocannon will run you 1 point more than a Renegade Heavy Weapons Squad with three Autocannons. Sure, the Disciples have a 3+ versus the HWS's 5+, but 2 shots at 3+ is 1.32 hits while 6 shots at 5+ is 1.98 hits.

If it's about cramming in Heavy Weapons, there are other ways. Running 10 man Disciple squads also gives some protection against moral. Runing multiple MSUs of a decent Elite unit will cram your slots and make you reach the Rule of Three that much quicker.

Edit for clarity. I should really sleep.

Well disciples are not hit by the rule off 3, but rather 6.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 skonis wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Is it better to have 10-man squads of disciples with a heavy weapon, or have several 5-man squads with a heavy weapon in each?

Better for what, exactly?

As an example, imagine you want some autocannons. A MSU disciple squad with Champion, two Disciples, and a HWT with Autocannon will run you 1 point more than a Renegade Heavy Weapons Squad with three Autocannons. Sure, the Disciples have a 3+ versus the HWS's 5+, but 2 shots at 3+ is 1.32 hits while 6 shots at 5+ is 1.98 hits.

If it's about cramming in Heavy Weapons, there are other ways. Running 10 man Disciple squads also gives some protection against moral. Runing multiple MSUs of a decent Elite unit will cram your slots and make you reach the Rule of Three that much quicker.

Edit for clarity. I should really sleep.

Well disciples are not hit by the rule off 3, but rather 6.

Hmmm, but by "demoting" Disciple Command Squads to HW duty, you don't take full advantage of their Banner shenaningans, though.

 skonis wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 skonis wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Is it better to have 10-man squads of disciples with a heavy weapon, or have several 5-man squads with a heavy weapon in each?

Better for what, exactly?

As an example, imagine you want some autocannons. A MSU disciple squad with Champion, two Disciples, and a HWT with Autocannon will run you 1 point more than a Renegade Heavy Weapons Squad with three Autocannons. Sure, the Disciples have a 3+ versus the HWS's 5+, but 2 shots at 3+ is 1.32 hits while 6 shots at 5+ is 1.98 hits.

If it's about cramming in Heavy Weapons, there are other ways. Running 10 man Disciple squads also gives some protection against moral. Runing multiple MSUs of a decent Elite unit will cram your slots and make you reach the Rule of Three that much quicker.

Edit for clarity. I should really sleep.

Well disciples are not hit by the rule off 3, but rather 6.

Hmmm, but by "demoting" Disciple Command Squads to HW duty, you don't take full advantage of their Banner shenaningans, though.

Banner shenanigans are only worth it if you build with melee in mind.

True that, but I get the feel DCS are good for a lot of things: banners, morale control, they can take special and heavy weapons...

 skonis wrote:
True that, but I get the feel DCS are good for a lot of things: banners, morale control, they can take special and heavy weapons...

Even then, you will field them anyways, why not give them a lascannon or autocannon, atleast they hit something

I remain of the opinion that R&H are, primarily, a gunline Faction/CP battery, currently.

Add a Khorne/Slaanesh Daemon Patrol if you want melee capability that's actually, you know, capable.

Daemonettes, for example, cost the same as Disciples do, but are so so so so so so so much faster at closing and better at ripping and shredding.

Bloodletters cost only 1pt more each.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I remain of the opinion that R&H are, primarily, a gunline Faction/CP battery, currently.

Add a Khorne/Slaanesh Daemon Patrol if you want melee capability that's actually, you know, capable.

Daemonettes, for example, cost the same as Disciples do, but are so so so so so so so much faster at closing and better at ripping and shredding.

Bloodletters cost only 1pt more each.

Hmm, I again refer to Unnatural vigour.
That said guns over melee makes always sense, the best results melee based i got was by using charges as last ditch efforts with khorne and banner support.

Melee elements being present don't dissuade, IMO, that the overall thrust of the Faction is gunline.

Tau have melee units, they remain a gunline Faction.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Melee elements being present don't dissuade, IMO, that the overall thrust of the Faction is gunline.

Tau have melee units, they remain a gunline Faction.

And now you Fall in the trap, Tau melee units don’t exist, milita and Cultists do however have access to melee weapons.

(of course the gun is better even if you charge the Enemy due to universal usefullness.)

THe noctilith crown works on our tanks!
It is a small but happy news, I'll try to field this:

2x commander
2x 10 militia squad
2x 50 renegade rubble
1x enforcer

Baneblade, macharius heavy tank and a macharius vulcan circling a nocitlith crown.

The aim is just sit down and try to have fun :-)

 brugner8 wrote:
THe noctilith crown works on our tanks!
It is a small but happy news, I'll try to field this:

2x commander
2x 10 militia squad
2x 50 renegade rubble
1x enforcer

Baneblade, macharius heavy tank and a macharius vulcan circling a nocitlith crown.

The aim is just sit down and try to have fun :-)

If the tanks make it to turn 2 or 3 to get the 5++, that could work.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 brugner8 wrote:
THe noctilith crown works on our tanks!
It is a small but happy news, I'll try to field this:

2x commander
2x 10 militia squad
2x 50 renegade rubble
1x enforcer

Baneblade, macharius heavy tank and a macharius vulcan circling a nocitlith crown.

The aim is just sit down and try to have fun :-)

If the tanks make it to turn 2 or 3 to get the 5++, that could work.

The hull of baneblade is 5,5 inches !

 brugner8 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 brugner8 wrote:
THe noctilith crown works on our tanks!
It is a small but happy news, I'll try to field this:

2x commander
2x 10 militia squad
2x 50 renegade rubble
1x enforcer

Baneblade, macharius heavy tank and a macharius vulcan circling a nocitlith crown.

The aim is just sit down and try to have fun :-)

If the tanks make it to turn 2 or 3 to get the 5++, that could work.

The hull of baneblade is 5,5 inches !

And we are completely ignoring terrain ?
look not to be pesimisstic, but i don't think it would be a good idea.

Except it hte table is basically empty terrain wise.... but then i belive there are still better combinations for a shootout then a noctilith baneblade

that said, if you pull up to a tale with that it seriously would be a mindfeth might even be able to win due to surprise but it is a skew list so that is a given.

I've Never thought to be competitive, my aim is to have a fun list to try to slow down other mono-built list for a few turns :-)