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Made in nz
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DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Never read the vraks books actually. I was browsing through my Imperial Armour book and saw renegades. It incorporated a lot of guard stuff which I love with chaos which I had never played.


Same here ish. I have guard and space wolves and wanted a non imperial faction, ergo traitor guard and nurgle deamons and death guard.
   
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





Sadly fw took it down it seems.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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New Zealand

Not Online!!! wrote:
Sadly fw took it down it seems.

Poo, does anyone have it?
   
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What's going on with the Baneblade? Is its turret seriously only 2d6 shots compared to AMs 3d6 shots?
   
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 Intercessor wrote:
What's going on with the Baneblade? Is its turret seriously only 2d6 shots compared to AMs 3d6 shots?


Nope, since we must use the most recent one we'd use the Baneblade of the am dex, ofcourse sans traits.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin





Stasis

I really wish we could take Deathstrikes.

I know they suck, but the idea of a renegade force of Mutants stealing 3 Deathstrikes, led by multiple Psyker Covens and a Malfeic Lord.

I build for fluff and theme and if I get the chance to run this it would be super fun.

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 Blndmage wrote:
I really wish we could take Deathstrikes.

I know they suck, but the idea of a renegade force of Mutants stealing 3 Deathstrikes, led by multiple Psyker Covens and a Malfeic Lord.

I build for fluff and theme and if I get the chance to run this it would be super fun.


Tzeentchian suicide Terrorist pact?

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Hamilton, ON

So what's heresy to a Heretic? Orthodoxy? I guess so.

Anyway, if you'll excuse the... orthodoxy... it's entirely possible to model your dudespeople as R&H and still have them usable as Astra Militarum, too. I use mine as AM when they run solo.

Now granted, you couldn't use your Deathstrikes when you were setup as R&H, but you could knock-together a Hydra platform, for example, relatively easily and quickly and run them as Deathstrikes when you're AM and Hydras (or whatever) when you're a Renegade.

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 Excommunicatus wrote:
So what's heresy to a Heretic? Orthodoxy? I guess so.

Anyway, if you'll excuse the... orthodoxy... it's entirely possible to model your dudespeople as R&H and still have them usable as Astra Militarum, too. I use mine as AM when they run solo.

Now granted, you couldn't use your Deathstrikes when you were setup as R&H, but you could knock-together a Hydra platform, for example, relatively easily and quickly and run them as Deathstrikes when you're AM and Hydras (or whatever) when you're a Renegade.


Probably would go for a wyvern instead of a hydra but basically this.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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UK

I'm curious about taking an R&H detachment, simply because I want to add decent flamer units to my army (it fits their fluff) and Chaos dont really have any options when it comes to fire.

I know, right. You'd think they'd be the pyro kings. But nope, it's the imperials again. Go figure.

Tzeentch gets some decent option in their Flamers/Exalteds as foot-troops, but other than that everything is a fairly useless 8/9" range (even forgeworld units).

So I was considering a spearhead of Hellhounds. Complete waste of points, or worth a detachment slot?

Edit: The alternative being the Hellforged Predator with Infernal Flamestorm Cannon and a couple heavy flamers. 4d6 from a single platform is fairly nasty, but it's got the typical chaos crappy range and it's 50 points more than a hellhound.

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Niiru wrote:
So I was considering a spearhead of Hellhounds. Complete waste of points, or worth a detachment slot?

I don't have much experience with them myself (yet), but everything I've read has said that they're fairly competitive, for Astra Militarum, in 8th.
   
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Niiru wrote:
I'm curious about taking an R&H detachment, simply because I want to add decent flamer units to my army (it fits their fluff) and Chaos dont really have any options when it comes to fire.

I know, right. You'd think they'd be the pyro kings. But nope, it's the imperials again. Go figure.

Tzeentch gets some decent option in their Flamers/Exalteds as foot-troops, but other than that everything is a fairly useless 8/9" range (even forgeworld units).

So I was considering a spearhead of Hellhounds. Complete waste of points, or worth a detachment slot?

Edit: The alternative being the Hellforged Predator with Infernal Flamestorm Cannon and a couple heavy flamers. 4d6 from a single platform is fairly nasty, but it's got the typical chaos crappy range and it's 50 points more than a hellhound.


Could add the heldrake or lord discordant to get their baleflamers if you just really want flamers.
   
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 cole1114 wrote:
Niiru wrote:
I'm curious about taking an R&H detachment, simply because I want to add decent flamer units to my army (it fits their fluff) and Chaos dont really have any options when it comes to fire.

I know, right. You'd think they'd be the pyro kings. But nope, it's the imperials again. Go figure.

Tzeentch gets some decent option in their Flamers/Exalteds as foot-troops, but other than that everything is a fairly useless 8/9" range (even forgeworld units).

So I was considering a spearhead of Hellhounds. Complete waste of points, or worth a detachment slot?

Edit: The alternative being the Hellforged Predator with Infernal Flamestorm Cannon and a couple heavy flamers. 4d6 from a single platform is fairly nasty, but it's got the typical chaos crappy range and it's 50 points more than a hellhound.


Could add the heldrake or lord discordant to get their baleflamers if you just really want flamers.


Horribly overpriced.

@Niiru.
The hellhound are decent tanks. With traits they were quite liked for a time.
Infantry wise you can go militia with 2 (4) flamers.
Alternativly marauders with flamers do decent aswell.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh





Hamilton, ON

Battalion Detachment

Commander x2
Command Squad, four Flamers
Militia (10), two Flamers x3
Hellhound (3) x 3

runs you, off the top of my head, about 1,100pts, nearly 1,000 of which is the nine Hellhounds.


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Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)

All 'crimes' should be treasured if they bring you pleasure somehow. 
   
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 Excommunicatus wrote:
Battalion Detachment

Commander x2
Command Squad, four Flamers
Militia (10), two Flamers x3
Hellhound (3) x 3

runs you, off the top of my head, about 1,100pts, nearly 1,000 of which is the nine Hellhounds.



Ayy that would do.
30 bodies.

9 hellhounds and 2 commanders.

Course you could always cut the militia but that sweet cp is usefull for csm.

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in us
Mauleed




 Excommunicatus wrote:
Battalion Detachment
Commander x2
Command Squad, four Flamers
Militia (10), two Flamers x3
Hellhound (3) x 3

runs you, off the top of my head, about 1,100pts, nearly 1,000 of which is the nine Hellhounds.


Hot.

It's just the three Hellhound variants out of the Index that R+H gets access to, right, and not the popular Forgeworld variant?

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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





ElSmacko wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
Battalion Detachment
Commander x2
Command Squad, four Flamers
Militia (10), two Flamers x3
Hellhound (3) x 3

runs you, off the top of my head, about 1,100pts, nearly 1,000 of which is the nine Hellhounds.


Hot.

It's just the three Hellhound variants out of the Index that R+H gets access to, right, and not the popular Forgeworld variant?


To my knowledge the basic one is better since the FW got a pricehike.

i do hope you play the Dragon CSM though, because all that fire.

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh





Hamilton, ON

R&H vehicles use Astra Militarum Datasheets, minus some <KEYWORD> indicators. Since you use the most recent Datasheet, we use vehicle Datasheets from Codex: Astra Militarum.

You can still only use the specific Datasheets that the Index/FAQs allow to use though, so if the Forge World Hellhound is 'named' (like, "Armageddon-Pattern Hellhound" or something) and it isn't in the list of what we're allowed...

Computer says no.

The Fall of Kronstaat IV
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Волшебная Сказка | Volshebnaya Skazka | A Fairy Tale (updated 29/12/19, ep10 - And All That Could Have Been)
Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)

All 'crimes' should be treasured if they bring you pleasure somehow. 
   
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UK

Not Online!!! wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
Battalion Detachment

Commander x2
Command Squad, four Flamers
Militia (10), two Flamers x3
Hellhound (3) x 3

runs you, off the top of my head, about 1,100pts, nearly 1,000 of which is the nine Hellhounds.



Ayy that would do.
30 bodies.

9 hellhounds and 2 commanders.

Course you could always cut the militia but that sweet cp is usefull for csm.



I mean yes this does fulfill my 'flamer' requirements, but would it actually be 'good' lol.

Honestly asking, I have no idea. Looks like it would be cool though.
   
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





Niiru wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
Battalion Detachment

Commander x2
Command Squad, four Flamers
Militia (10), two Flamers x3
Hellhound (3) x 3

runs you, off the top of my head, about 1,100pts, nearly 1,000 of which is the nine Hellhounds.



Ayy that would do.
30 bodies.

9 hellhounds and 2 commanders.

Course you could always cut the militia but that sweet cp is usefull for csm.



I mean yes this does fulfill my 'flamer' requirements, but would it actually be 'good' lol.

Honestly asking, I have no idea. Looks like it would be cool though.


5 CP.

30 militia with flamer, (cut them personally)
9 Hellhounds.
Yeah that can be very decent.
altough keep your units away from the Hellhounds at the start, mostly due to well, nasty tendencies of detonating.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh





Hamilton, ON

It really depends on what else you take with it, but... maybe?

I'm not really 'up' on Heretic Astartes points costs so I can't comment on that, but 900pts will buy you an awful lot of Daemonettes. 150 of them, to be precise.

Or, I guess, 180 Cultists.


The Fall of Kronstaat IV
Война Народная | Voyna Narodnaya | The People's War - 2,765pts painted (updated 06/05/20)
Волшебная Сказка | Volshebnaya Skazka | A Fairy Tale (updated 29/12/19, ep10 - And All That Could Have Been)
Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)

All 'crimes' should be treasured if they bring you pleasure somehow. 
   
Made in ch
The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





 Excommunicatus wrote:
It really depends on what else you take with it, but... maybe?

I'm not really 'up' on Heretic Astartes points costs so I can't comment on that, but 900pts will buy you an awful lot of Daemonettes. 150 of them, to be precise.

Or, I guess, 180 Cultists.



It buys atleast 2 DP's and a Sorcerer. in a High command detachments.

Better yet ahriman?

One or the other Oblit?



https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




UK

Not Online!!! wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
It really depends on what else you take with it, but... maybe?

I'm not really 'up' on Heretic Astartes points costs so I can't comment on that, but 900pts will buy you an awful lot of Daemonettes. 150 of them, to be precise.

Or, I guess, 180 Cultists.



It buys atleast 2 DP's and a Sorcerer. in a High command detachments.

Better yet ahriman?

One or the other Oblit?





If I did do this, it would have to replace an existing detachment plan. So it would either be -

Renegades Batallion: (550 pts)
Commander x2
3 Militia Squads w/ Flamer
Hellhound
Hellhound
Devil Dog

Or

Daemons Batalion: (582 pts)
Skullreaver Prince
Tzeentch herald on disc
3 Squads of 3 Nurglings
Unit of 6 Flamers (deepstrike)

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Niiru wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
It really depends on what else you take with it, but... maybe?

I'm not really 'up' on Heretic Astartes points costs so I can't comment on that, but 900pts will buy you an awful lot of Daemonettes. 150 of them, to be precise.

Or, I guess, 180 Cultists.



It buys atleast 2 DP's and a Sorcerer. in a High command detachments.

Better yet ahriman?

One or the other Oblit?





If I did do this, it would have to replace an existing detachment plan. So it would either be -

Renegades Batallion: (550 pts)
Commander x2
3 Militia Squads w/ Flamer
Hellhound
Hellhound
Devil Dog

Or

Daemons Batalion: (582 pts)
Skullreaver Prince
Tzeentch herald on disc
3 Squads of 3 Nurglings
Unit of 6 Flamers (deepstrike)


Personally cut the flamers on the milita and field three propper hellhounds for the 16" range. and 2D6 hits.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Hamilton, ON

Yeah, your Militia are just going to die without achieving anything anyway.

It's what they do.

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Волшебная Сказка | Volshebnaya Skazka | A Fairy Tale (updated 29/12/19, ep10 - And All That Could Have Been)
Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)

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 Excommunicatus wrote:
Yeah, your Militia are just going to die without achieving anything anyway.

It's what they do.


job description of militia:

BE READY TO DIE FOR THE GLORY OFF:------- (insert chaos god/ Cause here).
Prepare for GREAT (gakky) supply lines!
True cammeraderie with your superiors (beeing used as livestock/ cannonfodder/ slave labour)
the sky's the limit and promotions are happening at a fast rate. (yeah just not for normal humans/ mutants and even when mostly due to the extremely high turnover rate due to Death, spawnification or both)

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Hamilton, ON

Tired of Commuting?

Earn Eternal Damnation from the comfort of your Hab Block!

Call 1-800 CHAOS

The Fall of Kronstaat IV
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Волшебная Сказка | Volshebnaya Skazka | A Fairy Tale (updated 29/12/19, ep10 - And All That Could Have Been)
Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)

All 'crimes' should be treasured if they bring you pleasure somehow. 
   
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i kinda want a recruitment poster for Renegades and heretics now!



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Tired of Commuting?

Earn Eternal Damnation from the comfort of your Hab Block!

Call 1-800 CHAOS


Just 999 souls/ second!
Call now`!

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Hamilton, ON

I did a Kronstaat Needs You thing based on a close-up of KomBat Petrichenko, but I couldn't make it good.



In my defence though, at the time I didn't have a camera, a lightbox or GIMP. Also before I switched to using Russian.

I should probably have another stab at it.

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The Fall of Kronstaat IV
Война Народная | Voyna Narodnaya | The People's War - 2,765pts painted (updated 06/05/20)
Волшебная Сказка | Volshebnaya Skazka | A Fairy Tale (updated 29/12/19, ep10 - And All That Could Have Been)
Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)

All 'crimes' should be treasured if they bring you pleasure somehow. 
   
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 Excommunicatus wrote:
I did a Kronstaat Needs You thing based on a close-up of KomBat Petrichenko, but I couldn't make it good.



In my defence though, at the time I didn't have a camera, a lightbox or GIMP. Also before I switched to using Russian.

I should probably have another stab at it.


Isn't half bad.
Missing the spikes though

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
 
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