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So what changes do we all think might be made to the 7th ed system if any with this new rulebook? The article doesn't make it sound like many changes are being made at all. It's slightly disappointing because I was hoping they would take the chance to change a few of the problematic issues with 7th edition. Most notably the random rolls for Warlord traits and Psychic powers. The Psychic powers in particular, needed cleaned up and rebalanced. I play TS and I'd like to not get TFG looks from other players.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

 bomtek80 wrote:
So what changes do we all think might be made to the 7th ed system if any with this new rulebook? The article doesn't make it sound like many changes are being made at all. It's slightly disappointing because I was hoping they would take the chance to change a few of the problematic issues with 7th edition. Most notably the random rolls for Warlord traits and Psychic powers. The Psychic powers in particular, needed cleaned up and rebalanced. I play TS and I'd like to not get TFG looks from other players.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

They did say it will clean up a lot of the special rules.

Do you know how you don't get TFG looks as a Thousand Sons player? Don't play TFG. Even if you randomly roll on the Psychic table and get the "DEATH POWER OF DEATH!", there is nothing in the rules saying you have to use it. Or you can always look at your opponent and say "That power is gank. Do you mind if I roll again?"

 Tamwulf wrote:

 bomtek80 wrote:
So what changes do we all think might be made to the 7th ed system if any with this new rulebook? The article doesn't make it sound like many changes are being made at all. It's slightly disappointing because I was hoping they would take the chance to change a few of the problematic issues with 7th edition. Most notably the random rolls for Warlord traits and Psychic powers. The Psychic powers in particular, needed cleaned up and rebalanced. I play TS and I'd like to not get TFG looks from other players.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

They did say it will clean up a lot of the special rules.

Do you know how you don't get TFG looks as a Thousand Sons player? Don't play TFG. Even if you randomly roll on the Psychic table and get the "DEATH POWER OF DEATH!", there is nothing in the rules saying you have to use it. Or you can always look at your opponent and say "That power is gank. Do you mind if I roll again?"

Don't insist on STR: D nova's and problem mostly solved.

Sounds minor but some key tweaks to Artillery, USRs and Psychics could have a major impact at the table.

Str D novas were never rules legal anyway.

But I too feel the anti- TS prejudice. It hurts. Sob.

My dreams of a custom ruleset for Heresy are fading. Tidied up 7th is acceptable but a wasted opportunity

Captyn_Bob wrote:
My dreams of a custom ruleset for Heresy are fading. Tidied up 7th is acceptable but a wasted opportunity

Well let's be realistic. Radical changes would require more time to produce. So FW would have to be in a situation without rulebook available for a long time if they made major changes.

Mind you this now doesn't exclude possibility of more changes in the future.

Honestly, if this new book is simply the 7th edition rulebook revised with some 40k references taken out and 30k stuff added, then I'm not wasting my money since I already have a 7th ed rulebook.

tneva82 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
My dreams of a custom ruleset for Heresy are fading. Tidied up 7th is acceptable but a wasted opportunity

Well let's be realistic. Radical changes would require more time to produce. So FW would have to be in a situation without rulebook available for a long time if they made major changes.

Mind you this now doesn't exclude possibility of more changes in the future.

"Radical changes" would likely have also required a revision to the army lists, which is another reason why the rulebook wasn't going to be much different.

Well for those who didn't read their facebook posting, they made note in there that they weren't discussing many details yet, like whats happening to the psychic phase.

This was a basic, basic description of the book. The only thing they addressed was special rules. Expect more news to come on what they'll be doing with this book.

What a waste of time.

Updating the armies to 8th would be way easier than fixing 7th. They've already changed more things to 8th than exist in HH.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
What a waste of time.

Updating the armies to 8th would be way easier than fixing 7th. They've already changed more things to 8th than exist in HH.

Seriously man, can you contribute anything to these conversations? It's getting a bit old.

This forum is for discussing 30K. 30K is staying 7th edition. You don't like it, don't want to play 30K anymore, that's on you. Stop trolling the forum about 30K then.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
What a waste of time.

Updating the armies to 8th would be way easier than fixing 7th. They've already changed more things to 8th than exist in HH.

Nope. Like 95% of 7th ed problems were already fixed in HH and 8th ed creates so many more problems you would need to do another HH fix to 8th ed which is more work than fixing the remaining 5% of 7th.

The only issue I see is now that 30k is stuck in 7th, the player base may drop off a bit.

SO happy HH stays in 7th. I really enjoy 7th, I didn' enjoy all the decurion detachment, formations and general in balance of the 40k range in 7th ed.

Horus Heresy staying in 7th allowes me to keep playing the ruleset I love, with the game I love.

 AaronWilson wrote:
SO happy HH stays in 7th. I really enjoy 7th, I didn' enjoy all the decurion detachment, formations and general in balance of the 40k range in 7th ed.

Horus Heresy staying in 7th allowes me to keep playing the ruleset I love, with the game I love.

But neither decurions nor formations exist in 30k.

I know...That's why I said I enjoy HH so much? "Horus Heresy in 7th allowes me to keep playing the ruleset I love, with the game I love"

I also said "I didn't enjoy all the decurion detachments or formations and general in balance of the 40k range in 7th ed"

So yeah.. I am saying that's why I enjoy HH so much, because they are not there but I still get to play 7th which is ideal as I love the ruleset

 djones520 wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
What a waste of time.

Updating the armies to 8th would be way easier than fixing 7th. They've already changed more things to 8th than exist in HH.

Seriously man, can you contribute anything to these conversations? It's getting a bit old.

This forum is for discussing 30K. 30K is staying 7th edition. You don't like it, don't want to play 30K anymore, that's on you. Stop trolling the forum about 30K then.

I'm bitter and angry that I'm no longer going to be able to play the thing I invested in. I don't know anyone else who plays 30k.

Then try to involve others people ! 30k is wonderful, a great story, great models...
You only need one or two others guys

And others avoided losing ability to play what they invested. If you invested in 30k you didn't lose anything as 30k remains as is. Guys who invested in 40k army with fw models...well that was always uncertain proposition anyway

 AaronWilson wrote:
I know...That's why I said I enjoy HH so much? "Horus Heresy in 7th allowes me to keep playing the ruleset I love, with the game I love"

I also said "I didn't enjoy all the decurion detachments or formations and general in balance of the 40k range in 7th ed"

So yeah.. I am saying that's why I enjoy HH so much, because they are not there but I still get to play 7th which is ideal as I love the ruleset

Sorry, sorry. I misread.

What part of 7th do you "love" then?

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 AaronWilson wrote:
I know...That's why I said I enjoy HH so much? "Horus Heresy in 7th allowes me to keep playing the ruleset I love, with the game I love"

I also said "I didn't enjoy all the decurion detachments or formations and general in balance of the 40k range in 7th ed"

So yeah.. I am saying that's why I enjoy HH so much, because they are not there but I still get to play 7th which is ideal as I love the ruleset

Sorry, sorry. I misread.

What part of 7th do you "love" then?

I like competing weapon skills meaning something. When I have primarchs clash, it shouldn't be a decision of who charged gets to walk away. It should be a long drawn out combat of two epically awesome dudes beating each others faces in.

I do like having all of the special rules located in one place, instead of each unit having its own special flare and having to go thumbing through the indexes to find each page to clear it up.

I like not having to need a degree in math to compute the points for my arm.

Those are just a few things. Granted, I think 8th edition is a fine game. It's "simplified nature" though takes away from what 30K should be. A gentlemans game.

Fair points. Especially the lay-out. Good god if there is one thing I loathe about the indices it's the fething layouts.

Disclaimer before I say what I like about 7th - I have about 7k Points of nids, I enjoy 8th, it's quick fun and brutal but I'm finding it really bland

What I like about 7th?

Vehicle armor values, Vehicle damage table, Weapon facing.

Initiative values, different weapons actually feeling different and not just a generic -AP stat with D1-D6 damage.

SO much flavor from all the of the legion rules, as well as rites of war. They're all good, represent the legions well without the crazyness of formations or decurions (Gladius Strike Force, Riptide wing).

Terrain I actually interact with, can use to slow my opponent down and feels like it matters. Not just running over all the terrain and only having LoS pieces matter.

Just a few things, but these are the things I really enjoy about the core rule system that was lost to 8th ed.