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 Melissia wrote:

pessa wrote:
I guess to a degree it all depends on how invested in 40K you are and how much you will play this ed. It's not a complaint, but we won't be using the codex books. We'll stick with the Indexes and be perfectly happy with them

So if someone's army is expanded in a codex and they want to use that, you'll tell them no, grab the index instead-- even if it meant their army was invalid?

Houserules > Personal Rules

Also, if it's a closed-group there is no problem.

Actually, it is if the closed group are dicks about it.

 Melissia wrote:
Actually, it is if the closed group are dicks about it.

True, but let's try to have a little faith in humanity.

I've been on the internet for 20 years, why would I have any of that?

 Melissia wrote:
I've been on the internet for 20 years, why would I have any of that?

I've been outside a few times and can concur. There is no reason to have faith in humanity.

Me and my group are gonna buy the codex, because we're looking forward to them. But we have a few people that come and go sporadically, and I could see at least one of them going "don't wanna do that, can I just use the index forever?" and there wouldn't be a single turned head. Everyone would happily let him do that. But if he started to try and mix and match the codex and the index... nah, that's a hard no. I also would never think it was a good idea for tournaments. If GW are actually trying to do balance as things go along here, let's actually help them do that instead of complaining they don't balance and then actively refuse to let them. It's like people that open all the windows and complain the AC isn't working.

 Purifier wrote:
It's like people that open all the windows and complain the AC isn't working.

But what if it's too hot and that AC actually is broken?

 Selym wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
It's like people that open all the windows and complain the AC isn't working.

But what if it's too hot and that AC actually is broken?

I've had this argument at my workplace with people that are convinced that the AC is broken, so they open all the windows. Funnily, it's never too hot when I'm alone and I just let the AC work for half an hour before opening every window. Mostly people that do this are people that don't understand how an AC works and why opening the windows renders it useless.

So yeah, the analogy keeps giving and giving. And if it actually is broken... well then it's broken, but you can't just stroll in at minute one and go "IT'S HOT AC MUST BE BROKEN" and slam open all the windows, then point to the fact that it's still hot and say that proves the AC is broken.

Of course, the affordability of an index or codex can depend heavily on both the size of your group and the quality of your ethics...

 Melissia wrote:
I've been on the internet for 20 years, why would I have any of that?

Wow. It may be time to get off the internet then

So from the community leaks so far it looks like the SM Codex is not a return to the old game breaking system. The Chapter tactics whilst giving an obvious advantage over non-codex armies should be pretty balanced when the other codexes come out. This is for hoping

Mordian2016 wrote:
So from the community leaks so far it looks like the SM Codex is not a return to the old game breaking system. The Chapter tactics whilst giving an obvious advantage over non-codex armies should be pretty balanced when the other codexes come out. This is for hoping

Maybe, maybe not. We still do not know a number of things:

How powerful are the stratagems and Relics,
Can you have multiple detachments with different Chapter Tactics in your army - how powerful that will or not be.

As you say the main issue is going to be with the balance between the Codex haves and haves not, some will not get them until 2018 at the earliest and then only "major" factions are getting them - so there will def e the Codex blessed and everyone else for many months.

GW have said that there will be about 10 codexes released before Christmas - 3 of these have already been confirmed Grey Knights, Chaos Space Marines, Death Guard

Then its likely to be Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Blood and Dark Angels

Might be room for a couple of non marine codexes - I would think Daemons, Orks and Eldar, plus maybe Necrons might squeeze in - Unless any other Marine dexes slip in. I would be shocked if there was no Primus Codex as well. They have kept saying the focus is on Imperium vs Chaos (well Marines vs Chaos)

Anyone else likely 2018 at the earliest - So Tau, Ad Mech, Tyranids, Guard, Agents, Dark Eldar, Harelquins, Genestealers,.

A long time.

Eventually there will be for the Guard (and all the other Codex blessed) Regimental Tactics, a relic for each regiment and strategms. Same with Orks and Clans, Taus and Septs, Necrons and Dynasties etc.

I really hate the idea of multiple chapter tactics due to different chapter detachments. It was an annoyance in 7th and would be a shame if it returned in 8th

Or you should lose CPs or something

There needs to be a cost to not having a single chapter battle forged army

The cost looks to be multiple (expensive) HQs that don't synergise with the units contained in the other Detachments.