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Shadow spectres have two weapon profiles, they can either fire as an 18'' Assault 1 S6 AP-3 D1, which makes an additional attack for every hit for a maximum of 3 hits per initial hit (they have BS 3+) OR 8" auto-hit assault D6 S5 AP-1 (basically a heavy flamer).
They can move 12" (and any unit firing at them always suffers a -1 to BS, units within 6" have -1 Ld, AND they have a 3+ save.
ALL FOR 23 POINTS EACH
Oh and the exarch has a weapon which does an additional mortal wound against vehicles on a wound roll of 4+, or D3 mortal wounds on a 6+
So, in short, why is anyone not taking 10 units of these

Edit: They have the fly keyword as well now, so fall back and shoot

Whats a shadow spectre?

Because they're Forge World BS.

 rayphoton wrote:
Whats a shadow spectre?

Bad guy from mass effect one?

Doom of meyermeria I belive.

 Arandmoor wrote:
Because they're Forge World BS.

What year is it?

I thought the whole FW/GW divide was settled?

They have a lot of talk going on in the eldar rumour thread. For the note competitively inclined folk the scorpion and shadow spectre and maybe the sonic lance lynx are the only fw eldar stuff seeing use.

Shadow spectre are probably the second best aspect I think most still rate dark reapers higher as they are godly and top3 eldar unit this edition.

Spectre are definetly good but have been out of stock for a while though I think FW just made some more though no Exarch yet. For most people they just are to expensive to points cost to be viable spamming then though. Running 3-4 squads as common with reapers would cost a ton with shadow spectres.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Arandmoor wrote:
Because they're Forge World BS.

What year is it?

I thought the whole FW/GW divide was settled?

It is settled. Just look at ETC with forgeworld ban, the lists couldnt get anymore lame if they tried. Just some people that should crawl back to the 5th edition hole they came from.

ETC bans forgeworld?

Because FW did a very bad job of adapting its rules to 8th edition, and some of its things are downright unusable with their rules as written.

 Melissia wrote:
Because FW did a very bad job of adapting its rules to 8th edition, and some of its things are downright unusable with their rules as written.

Thats what the anti forgeworld people allways say, yet the worst stuff have allways been non forgeworld.

 Brutallica wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Because FW did a very bad job of adapting its rules to 8th edition, and some of its things are downright unusable with their rules as written.

Thats what the anti forgeworld people allways say, yet the worst stuff have allways been non forgeworld.

Doubly so with eldar.

 Brutallica wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Because FW did a very bad job of adapting its rules to 8th edition, and some of its things are downright unusable with their rules as written.

Thats what the anti forgeworld people allways say, yet the worst stuff have allways been non forgeworld.

Nah, that's a pretty accurate observation for this edition so far.

The FW Indexes are hot messes as far as books go.

Typos, strange ambiguity in their rules and units that are either amazing or mediocre.

Hell, at one point you had a flyer that couldn't function - it's weapon was Macro and it had a minimum move. Whoops.

I think we'll see better quality...but at the moment most FW stuff is ending up banned because the books are a hot mess that was done seemingly on incredibly short notice.

Maybe when they provide a free FAQ and eratta, oh, wait...

Also, I love my spectres! They provide a really nice mobile firebase to run with my harlequins and I often add scorpions as a forward assault unit to soak overwatch.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Maybe when they provide a free FAQ and eratta, oh, wait...

Also, I love my spectres! They provide a really nice mobile firebase to run with my harlequins and I often add scorpions as a forward assault unit to soak overwatch.

The FAQ and Errata is still pretty cumbersome and does little to fix the hot mess that still is.

When they get round to proper books for them then I suspect it'll be a bit better but for now I know a lot of events are just blanket banning because it's a mess.

But then, it's pretty much the same as the Indexes but without as large a development window.

They're forgeworld, so in many places you need your opponent's or TO permission to run it at all.

 koooaei wrote:
They're forgeworld, so in many places you need your opponent's or TO permission to run it at all.

Please stop repeating this myth. FW units are part of the game just like anything else, and the only "permission" required is the same permission that applies to everything else in 40k: you aren't going to hold a gun to your opponent's head and force them to play against your tactical squads.

I love the two units I have, they've done serious work for me but even with the -1 to hit them at T3 they are still very fragile, if they were much more than the 23pts they currently cost they wouldn't be worth it.

I don't think the Exarch's special guns are worth it though, the Prism Blaster loses a point of AP for D3 damage on the ranged attack but doesn't have the heavy flamer profile so it's utility drops massively compared to the rifle, and all Haywire weapons are just bad this edition, less damage output than in 7th whilst vehicles have trippled or even quadruppled their number of wounds.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Maybe when they provide a free FAQ and eratta, oh, wait...

Also, I love my spectres! They provide a really nice mobile firebase to run with my harlequins and I often add scorpions as a forward assault unit to soak overwatch.

Maybe if the FAQ came out before the lists were to be sent in they wouldn't be blanket banned. But that is still FW's fault, not the tourney organizers.

They're pretty good. Not incredible or anything. Ultimately they're still quite fragile per point. The prism rifle's coherent mode is okay, but it's generally not as efficient as, say, Guardians shooting shuriken catapults. It gets a lot better with Guide and somewhat better with an Autarch, though of course Guide can only benefit one unit. The heavy flamer mode is really what you want them for, but this requires that they get dangerously close to the enemy. Guardians are again almost as good against MEQs even inside 8", and they're going to be competing with d-scythe Wraithguard for a flamer unit that's not scared to be right next to the enemy.

The morale debuff is barely worth considering and the haywire launcher is awful. You're taking these for the prism rifles.