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That's my point, though. WKs are over costed and thus under-preform. WKs would not be terrible if they dropped 100pts overall.
Guiliman doubles most of his army's damage output and thus needs a points increase, or to not give out re-rolls like he does.

Guilliman lists aren't even placing in tournaments.

It's all Guard, Tau, and Eldar.

Guilliman is totally and completely restricted to Ultramarines. If he offered that bubble to Imperium, he'd be totally broken, but he offers it to space marines, which are basically bottom tier.

What difference does it make if he's Ultramarines only?

 bullyboy wrote:
What difference does it make if he's Ultramarines only?

Because he's buffing a faction that is massively underpowered.

Guard, Tau, Eldar. These are tournament winning/placing lists with consistency, before and after flier spam nerf.

 bullyboy wrote:
What difference does it make if he's Ultramarines only?

The difference between him fully buffing conscripts, guard barrage tanks and mortar teams, kastellan robots, ratlings, etc. etc.

Mono-marines are a bit weak right now. They still have the "generalist curse" where they pay for non-useful stats, like ws on a devastator for example, and they don't have cheap screen units, which are a huge boon to the armies that do have them, allowing their backfield to essentially operate unopposed and only worry about enemy long range elements, while making short range and assault elements a non-issue for a couple turns.

Don't get me wrong, they aren't in a terrible place, but after adding chapter tactics, they feel somewhere around mediocre, and the lack of a screening unit at the moment really stops them from being stable and sturdy enough to take on 6 round GT's.

Ultramarines can still use conscripts to screen, not every unit has to be buffed by Gullyman, lol. Just the ones that count. The UMs are in no way neutered either, lots of strength in the codex. Of course, I assume everyone is thinking about their spammy list and how it handles Gully. Great.However, I don't want to have to play a broken list just to compete with him. If his points are costed appropriately, a standard list will have an equal chance.

Girlyman needs a buff. He needs to have 1 extra W added to him. That will solved all the problems.

 bullyboy wrote:
There are plenty of other units that Guilleman can buff that are better than devs. It's almost as if some of you can only think of one unit and spam it endlessly...yawn.

It's almost as if in a proof of concept we only need flesh out one good example to get an understanding of potential.