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Could make for a nice big robot army that isn't Imperial Knights. Sure, not everyone likes the Dreadknights, but for those that do it's good to get a new option.

I'm not thrilled by the idea of GW taking options away someplace and adding new ones elsewhere, though. That's basically the same lack of direction that has plague GW for too long.

Nice work Elmir! Are you on CMON?

GM Dreadknight will be buffed stats, maybe a special rule attached to a weapon or for the character causing mortal wounds and additional psychic powers/buffed psychic powers.

 Elmir wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

As ever, Space Marines will be allowed to get away with it, no one else will.

Incredibly weird statement, since SMs are the first ones to suffer from it (Dreadnoughts at least and all the bikes)... But they did forget to scrap the twin assault cannons for some reason.

Imateria is wrong here, but your not correct either. Marines are not the first to suffer from such a policy which was probably what he was elluding to. DE, Necrons etc have all had options elminated from units based on whats in available in their individual kits.


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 puma713 wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Traditionally Eldar are the ones to bust the new edition. So until they get their codex I will he quietly hopeful that the missteps will be successfully ironed out.

Traditionally? As in, 6th edition? Before 6th and the advent of the new Wave Serpent and Allies, Eldar were generally Tier 2. I played them since second Edition and the only edition they ever busted was 6th.

Then you didn't play much in 2nd LMAO. Eldar in 2nd were literally the most bitched about faction around. They also ruined 4th edtion with unkillable falcons.

 Geifer wrote:
Could make for a nice big robot army that isn't Imperial Knights. Sure, not everyone likes the Dreadknights, but for those that do it's good to get a new option.

I'm not thrilled by the idea of GW taking options away someplace and adding new ones elsewhere, though. That's basically the same lack of direction that has plague GW for too long.

Well people only dislike Dreadknights in looks, most people are kinda fine with them otherwise (kinda like the inverse of Primaris Marines).

So the normal grey knights are no longer available online on the uk Webstore. All sold out it seems . I wonder if they're going to repack

Sining wrote:
So the normal grey knights are no longer available online on the uk Webstore. All sold out it seems . I wonder if they're going to repack

Probably just a change in the actual packaging rather than the boxes.

A few years ago they did 10 man Strike Squad boxes that are at the $60 price point instead of $66 for 2 of the $33 boxes.

Maybe they will finally come with 32mm bases

Is this real? Why would they use the same cover for a new codex? Isn't that the same codex as the last Grey Knight codex?

The CSM codex is the same too.

As was the case for most (all?) of the 7th edition codexes.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/30/two-new-codexes-coming-next-week/

 Red Corsair wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Traditionally Eldar are the ones to bust the new edition. So until they get their codex I will he quietly hopeful that the missteps will be successfully ironed out.

Traditionally? As in, 6th edition? Before 6th and the advent of the new Wave Serpent and Allies, Eldar were generally Tier 2. I played them since second Edition and the only edition they ever busted was 6th.

Then you didn't play much in 2nd LMAO. Eldar in 2nd were literally the most bitched about faction around. They also ruined 4th edtion with unkillable falcons.

To be fair, I was much younger when 2nd edition was around and probably didn't have my thumb to the pulse of the competitive scene. Around where I played, it was Space Wolves and their Wolf Guard that were bitched about. I do remember the Falcons of 4th, but I don't remember them "ruining" the edition on the scale that Taudar and the like did.

 puma713 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Traditionally Eldar are the ones to bust the new edition. So until they get their codex I will he quietly hopeful that the missteps will be successfully ironed out.

Traditionally? As in, 6th edition? Before 6th and the advent of the new Wave Serpent and Allies, Eldar were generally Tier 2. I played them since second Edition and the only edition they ever busted was 6th.

Then you didn't play much in 2nd LMAO. Eldar in 2nd were literally the most bitched about faction around. They also ruined 4th edtion with unkillable falcons.

To be fair, I was much younger when 2nd edition was around and probably didn't have my thumb to the pulse of the competitive scene. Around where I played, it was Space Wolves and their Wolf Guard that were bitched about. I do remember the Falcons of 4th, but I don't remember them "ruining" the edition on the scale that Taudar and the like did.

Hey no worries, I was very young too but made friends with a bunch of silver backs as they referred to themselves as and they tuned me into the meta back then. BTW you aren't wrong about the wolves either, wolf guard heavy weapon terminator spam was also a thing. But at any rate Eldar has been stronger in 40k then it has been weak, as a faction they mostly suffered through a small stint in 3rd and then as they aged from 4th going into 5th but even then it was a matter of lists. For the most part they have been VERY strong and flat broken undeniably 3 times by my count.

Anyway, wasn't trying to snipe you, just thought I would chime in.

Looking forward to se how the Dreadknight only list is going to look.

I could literally see people doing a 5-dreadknight list with the rest being terminators for support.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Does anybody remember when 5th edition was the "no frills" edition but it only lasted for the first 2 or 3 codexes before going completely off the rails? I'm still thinking 8th is going to do that. The "no kit no rules" concept being unevenly applied is signaling to me that GW rules desingers are having issues with keeping themselves in a cohesive design space. We might look back at the indexes and see it as the pinnacle of 8th edition. I hope not but I've got no evidence that I should trust GW lol.

I fully intend to use the Indices as supplements to the official codices. Of course, I'l playing in a "friendly games" space, where we're also allowing for converisons based on previous edition rules, so a Librarian with Jump Pack and a pair of Lightning Claws, CSM Lord with a Thunder Hammer, Apothecary with a Power Sword, Legion of the Damned guy with Lascannon are being grandfathered in - along with the Dark Milennium Chosen and the like. With the implicit understanding that new builds of models and the like will be "current codex legal". I think we'll also allow for the "apothecaries on bikes" type exception as well based on the Index-Supplement concept. Of course, this is no use to people playing in moure tourney or FLGS-PUG situations, but I'm lucky enough to be in a group that's in a situation to be able to take ownership of the game and "forge the narrative" as we like.

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I've got four thousand points of metal Grey Knights from the pre-Draigo heresy (including the now apparently OOP Forgeworld Dreadnaughts) and one heavily converted to a Samurai pose with a Dreadnaught front Dreadknight.

...hopefully, this will not make me cry and put them back in the Storage Closet of Shame.

SWEET! I can now run my all Dreadknight list!

Dreadknight Kingdoms.

One day we'll get the Defiler Kingdoms to match!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dreadknight Kingdoms.

One day we'll get the Defiler Kingdoms to match!

I hope not, I actually enjoyrd building the dreadknightm, the defiler? less so

Could GK take Chaplains before?

Reading the new WD now and there's a shot of some of the GK models in the codex and that plastic Terminator Chaplain is there. He looks pretty sick in silver armour.

Edit: The Dreadknight conversion is badass af!

I got the new WD too in the mail. The chaplain picture sure as hell is small, but it's definitely that model... It is a new addition to the Grey Knight line-up. A welcome one!

Funnily enough, there are 3 models in that shot of the codex that all say "converted" in it. Makes the riffleman dread disappearance a more bitter pill to swallow I guess...

The new GMDK will only be worth it if it gains the GM WS and BS and probably a few wounds as well. And even then how much is GW going to add to the point costs of a model that is overcosted for what you get already.

That being said adding Chaplains would be a cool addition to the army since we do have some in the grey knight stories.

The GM improving the invulnerable save on the DK would be huge, too. And you could make it your warlord for 6+ FNP.

Mostly hoping for points reductions and survivability increases from the psychic powers / relics / strategems. Maybe some reliable charge aid and something to prevent enemy fallbacks for the safety of being stuck in melee?

Because IME everything people take to kill vehicles just blows us off the table.

 Elmir wrote:
I got the new WD too in the mail. The chaplain picture sure as hell is small, but it's definitely that model... It is a new addition to the Grey Knight line-up. A welcome one!

Funnily enough, there are 3 models in that shot of the codex that all say "converted" in it. Makes the riffleman dread disappearance a more bitter pill to swallow I guess...

Wait..... I may have been living under a rock for a while. Did they get rid of the two twin-autocannon setup for the Dreadnought?

In the new Marine codex they got rid of anything that you can't make from the sprue in the box, so that and e.g. things like jump packs and bikes on some characters aren't listed.

However, they then said you're free to use the Index entry for anything missing in the Codex, just use the most up-to-date points for any unit or wargear.

So for the moment twin-autocannon Dread is perfectly legal but in the future they'll probably phase that sort of thing out completely.

Well, that's just silly. So a dreadnought can only have a DCCW or missile launcher on the left arm, and a TL lascannon or assault cannon on the right? No more autocannons? No more Plasmacannon? No more TW heavy bolter?

Did that apply to razorbacks as well? I have TL assault cannons and las plas that are nervous.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Could GK take Chaplains before?

Reading the new WD now and there's a shot of some of the GK models in the codex and that plastic Terminator Chaplain is there. He looks pretty sick in silver armour.

Edit: The Dreadknight conversion is badass af!

pictures please! which model exactly?

Las-plas has gone from the codex version, but twin assault cannons are still there for some reason...