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Grand Master Dreadknights seems pretty legit now with the extra BS.

The fact that they added an additional psychic power to Dreads is beneficial as well.

I am glad that the special edition Terminator Chaplain appears to be getting a wide release.

I can see the regular NDK being useless now and the GMNDK being the go to guy.

You can take 3 of them in the HQ detachment and get 1 CP for your troubles

Yeah, 30 extra points for better BS, WS, inv. save, and psychic abilities is a steal.

Not to mention that the GMNDK is a character. with aura bubbles.

any word on weapon point options.

There was a rumour double falchions might get a pt cost and hammers might come down.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am glad that the special edition Terminator Chaplain appears to be getting a wide release.

we don't know that yet since it's described as a conversion

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am glad that the special edition Terminator Chaplain appears to be getting a wide release.

Casval,

Where is that coming from?

It's conjecture based on the fact that the only Terminator Chaplain model they used was the limited Chaplain. If they wanted to convert at chaplain, why wouldn't they convert one from a model they actually sell?

 TheMostWize wrote:
Grand Master Dreadknights seems pretty legit now with the extra BS.

And give him 5+ FnP relic and the reroll to charge warlord trait and he is going to be boss

 ZombieDK wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:
Grand Master Dreadknights seems pretty legit now with the extra BS.

And give him 5+ FnP relic and the reroll to charge warlord trait and he is going to be boss

You can't give him the FnP relic. It's restricted only to Infantry. The only relic he can take is the -1 Leadership to nearby Daemons.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It's conjecture based on the fact that the only Terminator Chaplain model they used was the limited Chaplain. If they wanted to convert at chaplain, why wouldn't they convert one from a model they actually sell?

Because if they did that it would actually be hard to convert. Putting GK shoulderpads on metal models isn't really doable.

Audustum wrote:

 ZombieDK wrote:

 TheMostWize wrote:
Grand Master Dreadknights seems pretty legit now with the extra BS.

And give him 5+ FnP relic and the reroll to charge warlord trait and he is going to be boss

You can't give him the FnP relic. It's restricted only to Infantry. The only relic he can take is the -1 Leadership to nearby Daemons.

Dang

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Nephilim jet figther for the win. The only space marine flyer that isn't a brick!

The Corvus Blackstar would like to have a word.

But I agree, the Nephilim does look fantastic. Too bad it has Dark Angels symbols for wings, because I would put that sucker in my BA in a heartbeat.

Um.... You do know it just has feathered wing symbols on the wings right? you know, that theme that follows every imperial army...

Also Covus Blackstar may not be a brick but it's totally in the running for land scaping block of the year.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It's conjecture based on the fact that the only Terminator Chaplain model they used was the limited Chaplain. If they wanted to convert at chaplain, why wouldn't they convert one from a model they actually sell?

Your applying logic to a company that also removed twin autocanons as a option from the VERY SAME book do to the limitations provided from the stock kit.

It's almost funny how large the balls actually are on GW

Games Workshop does make a Chaplain model for the Grey Knights. Paint the arm black on any model from the Terminator kit and boom, Chaplain.

That being said, I used the Brother Captain Stren model as the base for both my Chaplain and Librarian conversions.

Anyone able to catch the Terminator point values in any of these previews?

Looking at WinterSEO's, it's blurry but it looks like they actually went UP in points to 46...? That would just be absurd, especially after they lowered SM Terminator costs.

Lanlaorn wrote:
Anyone able to catch the Terminator point values in any of these previews?

Looking at WinterSEO's, it's blurry but it looks like they actually went UP in points to 46...? That would just be absurd, especially after they lowered SM Terminator costs.

That does appear to be what happened, sadly.

well, Paladins without special weapons it is, then.

Wait, Terminators went UP in points? Damn, GK weren't exactly powerful as it was. Hopefully it just means that their wargear went down to compensate.

Our melee weapons were already free, except the hammers. The guns stayed the same price from what I saw.

Apparently Paladins went down in cost.
WTF?

So, normal terminators go up, and paladins go down? Man, is there any point to normal terminators anymore?

Paladins didn't go down they are the same. Some people are getting confused because the battlescribe entry includes the price of the stormbolter.

Battlescribe =/= The rules

Spartacus wrote:


Battlescribe =/= The rules

I can't count how many times I've thought this since 8th came out.

Spartacus wrote:
Paladins didn't go down they are the same. Some people are getting confused because the battlescribe entry includes the price of the stormbolter.

Battlescribe =/= The rules

I already felt like you should always buy Paladins over Terminators. With the increase in cost it only put another nail in the coffin. I'd love to see how they justify increasing the cost after dropping the cost for space marines. Then again GW continually disappoints in every aspect of balancing this game.

DarkOnes wrote:

Spartacus wrote:
Paladins didn't go down they are the same. Some people are getting confused because the battlescribe entry includes the price of the stormbolter.

Battlescribe =/= The rules

I already felt like you should always buy Paladins over Terminators. With the increase in cost it only put another nail in the coffin. I'd love to see how they justify increasing the cost after dropping the cost for space marines. Then again GW continually disappoints in every aspect of balancing this game.

Has is been 100% confirmed that Terminators are going up? Perhaps Paladins will become Lieutenant style characters or be limited to squads of 3-5. Or Terminators in GK are marketly better than SM Terminators (extra WS+BS, special rules, grenades?)

It's hard to read in the still images of reviewer's videos (they tend to focus on the new stuff, strategems, relics, etc. while flipping through the old stuff quickly) but it looks like Terminators are exactly the same stats but a couple points more expensive.

Also, again blurry images so can't be certain, but it looks like our special weapons are still terrible as well.

They seem committed to balance so they may fix it at some point, but at the moment they seem oblivious to a lot of mathematical disparities in the game.

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, normal terminators go up, and paladins go down? Man, is there any point to normal terminators anymore?

Obsec feels like its going to be the only reason when compared to paladins.

Does anyone have the cost changes of GK?

Terminators +2 points

Grandmaster Dreadknight +60 points compared to regular

Everything else is the same or unreadable

how much wounds will that GM dreadknight have?

seems like a bargain for +60 points +1ws, high Toughness and S and being a character