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They are pretty much Imperial Fists, which I think we've all decided is pretty 'meh', right?

So I'm one of those guys that stopped playing in 5th ed and moved on to other, what I considered to be *better* games. The advent of 8th Ed pulled me back and I at least dug out all my old models to get some games in. The lack of flavor bummed me out, but made sense considering the scope of the change. I've been playing Iron Warriors for 15 years, Imagine my excitement when I see the Iron Warriors article pop up! Then imagine my lack of excitement when I see that their trait is pretty bland...

I might be watering down a post about the IW article with my personal thoughts and feelings... but I was EXCITED for this, and now I'm just... not. I guess I'll hold out hope that the Death Guard (my other Chaos love) are interesting...

Also, I know I shouldn't complain, there are plenty of other players in really similar positions. Now I know how all the loyal Fists players feel, casting jealous glances toward RG and Salamanders. Oh well, life moves on.

Edit: Here's the link - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/01/legion-focus-iron-warriors-aug-1gw-homepage-post-2/

Ignores Cover is awesome. What are you talking about?

Plus the Warlord trait is pretty good too.

Iron Warriors with Marks? Eww.

 MagicJuggler wrote:
Iron Warriors with Marks? Eww.

Why not? Have you not read Storm of Iron? Great book. They have a captain, and his unit, who favor Khorne.

Iron Warriors being just inferior Imperial Fists is fluffy, so what's the problem?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Ignores Cover is awesome. What are you talking about?

Plus the Warlord trait is pretty good too.

Ignore cover is fine in a vacuum, but it's not good compared to other traits you see tossed about. Look at the poll for the loyalists traits, it's pretty clear that ignoring cover is far from the best thing you can get. Heck, I would argue that the only other spoiled trait (Emperor's Children) is significantly better.

The best thing in there is the Fleshmetal Exoskeleton, I'm on board with that for sure. Still incredibly meh overall, IMO.

Link?

IronNerd wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Ignores Cover is awesome. What are you talking about?

Plus the Warlord trait is pretty good too.

Ignore cover is fine in a vacuum, but it's not good compared to other traits you see tossed about. Look at the poll for the loyalists traits, it's pretty clear that ignoring cover is far from the best thing you can get. Heck, I would argue that the only other spoiled trait (Emperor's Children) is significantly better.

The best thing in there is the Fleshmetal Exoskeleton, I'm on board with that for sure. Still incredibly meh overall, IMO.

Because an internet poll determines how well an army performs. /s

Go play against Mechanicus with it's ignore cover everything and tell me how useless the ability is on say.....autocannons, or heavy bolters, etc.

Iron Fists
Imperial Fist
Iron Warriors
Fist Warriors
Imperial Warriors
Warrior Iron
Imperial Iron
Warrior Fists


I don't know which is which anymore

The only thing they have in common with IF is their Legion Tactic.

Their relic, warlord trait and stratagem are entirely different.

Their relic is, unlike IF's, really good.
Their warlord trait is also pretty good, I'd say better than IF.
Their stratagem is bad, however.

 Talamare wrote:
Iron Fists
Imperial Fist
Iron Warriors
Fist Warriors
Imperial Warriors
Warrior Iron
Imperial Iron
Warrior Fists


I don't know which is which anymore

Imperial Fists

Loyalists, originally Legion VII (7th), bright yellow, Primarch is Rogal Dorn. Successor chapters include the Crimson Fists and the Black Templars. Have a self-harm fetish.


Iron Warriors

Traitor Legion, originally the IV (4th) Legion. Primarch Perturabo. Steel grey armour with yellow and black hazard stripes. Moody. Technophiles and like big guns. Don't like Daemons and Chaos Gods.

This is a pretty good trait, and the Emp Children one has to be better due to Emp Children having restricted unit choices (no units that can't take mark of slaanesh).

Iron Warriors are focused on shooting and for that ignores cover is very good. If they've improved the oblits and mutis in the codex Iron warriors might be the Legion with the most fluffy choices.
You also get tanky Daemon princes that can fly forward along your Drakes or Maulerfiends. Your cultists and CSM won't run away. I don't see what's not to like. I suspect we'll get linebreaker bombardment as a stratagem, too, so Vindis might improve as well.

 nintura wrote:

 MagicJuggler wrote:
Iron Warriors with Marks? Eww.

Why not? Have you not read Storm of Iron? Great book. They have a captain, and his unit, who favor Khorne.

Have you read all other fluff that stresses how they dont follow the gods and spurn any "gifts" by cutting them pff and replacing them with bionics.

Lancelot185 wrote:
Link?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/01/legion-focus-iron-warriors-aug-1gw-homepage-post-2/

hobojebus wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 MagicJuggler wrote:
Iron Warriors with Marks? Eww.

Why not? Have you not read Storm of Iron? Great book. They have a captain, and his unit, who favor Khorne.

Have you read all other fluff that stresses how they dont follow the gods and spurn any "gifts" by cutting them pff and replacing them with bionics.

Actually the fluff I read says that they're just indifferent to the gods and cut off mutations. When they get gifts, they'll use it, but usually to power some kind of machine or tech rather than conventionally. It's the Night Lords that don't follow the gods at all (and as a consequence don't get any help at all from the gods).

I've also read somewhere that Iron Warriors are impartial to Khorne, and actually have a number of berserkers and Juggernauts. However this is less because of bloodshed and their berserkers have a sort of cold efficiency to the slaughter unlike world eater berserkers.

 MinscS2 wrote:
The only thing they have in common with IF is their Legion Tactic.

Their relic, warlord trait and stratagem are entirely different.

Their relic is, unlike IF's, really good.
Their warlord trait is also pretty good, I'd say better than IF.
Their stratagem is bad, however.

Their Stratagem hasn't been revealed yet, you must be thinking of the psychic power.

Stratagem has been revealed on FB, for 1CP you can give 1 unit a 6+ fnp that phase.

Iron warriors also used nurglified Orks in a campaign, marks for them wouldn't be that much of a stretch, especially when GW did away with the mark of undivided.

IronNerd wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Ignores Cover is awesome. What are you talking about?

Plus the Warlord trait is pretty good too.

Ignore cover is fine in a vacuum, but it's not good compared to other traits you see tossed about. Look at the poll for the loyalists traits, it's pretty clear that ignoring cover is far from the best thing you can get. Heck, I would argue that the only other spoiled trait (Emperor's Children) is significantly better.

The best thing in there is the Fleshmetal Exoskeleton, I'm on board with that for sure. Still incredibly meh overall, IMO.

You mean the people that overreacted to the Raven Guard trait? Alright then.

Also Ignores Cover is fantastic. Anything with an AP value starts putting in serious work.

Could you also provide a link to the article you're referencing? Is there Grey Knights news?

hobojebus wrote:


Have you read all other fluff

Source them immediately

I'm excited about that "Weaver of Fate" psychic power. I'm hoping to be able to use that for my TS!

With that and the All is Dust SR I'm looking at a 3++ for my SoT's for 1 dmg weapons.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Stratagem has been revealed on FB, for 1CP you can give 1 unit a 6+ fnp that phase.

Iron warriors also used nurglified Orks in a campaign, marks for them wouldn't be that much of a stretch, especially when GW did away with the mark of undivided.

...wow, that's an incredibly gakky stratagem. So: Emperor's Children get a better Tactic, a psychic power that gives better FNP, and a better stratagem (Oh, I dunno. I'd rather be able to shoot things twice). I guess you could combine the stratagem and the FNP warlord trait and the slaanesh power so you could roll 3 dice for each wound suffered, just to slow the game down to a snail's crawl!

Iron Warriors players have reason to be disappointed. Of the three aspects of their kit revealed the legion trait is far and away the best, and that is not a glowing compliment of the legion trait.

It's kinda sad that this article got me more hyped for Thousand Sons with the psychic power than it would have if I played Iron Warriors.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

hobojebus wrote:


Have you read all other fluff

Source them immediately

Siege of castelax for one goes into some depths about how they react to mutations and hate the chaos gods.

In dead sky black sun the possessed onyx is not trusted and kept a weary watch on.

Rest is articles all over the place.

 Marmatag wrote:
Could you also provide a link to the article you're referencing? Is there Grey Knights news?

It's on Warhammer Community in Latest News. No GK news :(

Relic is pretty decent (unless it costs a boatload)

Warlord thing is.. actually really situational- its very easy to do MSU with Iron Warriors and never care about morale.

Trait is basically half of one.

Stratagem is awful.

Overall... rather bland.


Psychic power seems a random and unrelated thing to toss in.

Far behind Emperor's Children in interesting things and utility.

Though EC would have benefited immensely from a new kit, but that's honestly true of CSM as a whole. An apparent lack of new kits makes this release just sad

the problem with iron warriors trait is the same as Imperial fists, it's great when your enemy actually takes buildings but USELESS otherwise

Voss wrote:
Relic is pretty decent (unless it costs a boatload)

Relics will most likely work the same for all codex-armies, where you can get 1 for free, 2 for 1 CP and 3 for 3 CP.

That relic is awesome on a Daemon Prince.

 MinscS2 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Relic is pretty decent (unless it costs a boatload)

Relics will most likely work the same for all codex-armies, where you can get 1 for free, 2 for 1 CP and 3 for 3 CP.

That relic is awesome on a Daemon Prince.

Wait, what? I didn't pick up the SM codex.... relics cost no points?
Well, that will help keep 2nd tier armies in the doghouse, until they get a codex in a year or three. Yay, balance.