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I see 8th as the "counts as" edition. Sure, as far as the rules say these are slaaneshi havocs, but thematically they're augmented heavy weapon experts, and the models would have extra targeters and stabilizers. Not my favorite way to do things, but it is what it is.

Conversely, Slaanesh is also the god of perfection. Maybe these Havocs have just honed their skills to such perfection that they can load, aim and fire twice in the same span of time.

malcontent999 wrote:
I see 8th as the "counts as" edition. Sure, as far as the rules say these are slaaneshi havocs, but thematically they're augmented heavy weapon experts, and the models would have extra targeters and stabilizers. Not my favorite way to do things, but it is what it is.

...This is really questionable, because at least now you have things that aren't too off. Unlike 5th editions "Counts as Khornate" Spacewolves or Blood letters. Counts as Iron Warriors using the Space Marine dex..

Least people are actually using the CSM codex.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

malcontent999 wrote:
I see 8th as the "counts as" edition. Sure, as far as the rules say these are slaaneshi havocs, but thematically they're augmented heavy weapon experts, and the models would have extra targeters and stabilizers. Not my favorite way to do things, but it is what it is.

...This is really questionable, because at least now you have things that aren't too off. Unlike 5th editions "Counts as Khornate" Spacewolves or Blood letters. Counts as Iron Warriors using the Space Marine dex..

Least people are actually using the CSM codex.

I guess I don't understand why any of that's questionable. As long as models are distinguishable and you tell your opponent what's what, what difference does it make?

You don't see anything wrong with the idea that people are using other codex's because the CSM codex can't even properly represent CSM legions?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
You don't see anything wrong with the idea that people are using other codex's because the CSM codex can't even properly represent CSM legions?

No, I don't.

I think the Chaos Codex does a fine job for most legions. Iron Warriors got a bunch of fluffy siege bonuses; all they're really missing is a good siege tank (Forge World helps with the Hellforged Typhon in that regard). Some people disagree with me, and that's fine, because fluff is subjective. If they disagree, they can use whatever rules they want.

Mechanics are not the same thing as fluff, and if you're playing for the fluff, then I don't care really if the names of a given mechanical rule don't match the fluff either.

Like, if someone wanted to play Imperial Guard with Leman Russ tanks that hover because their homeworld is one of the few Imperial worlds with access to grav-repulsor tech, then I'd be fine letting them use the Tau book to field their army.

Conversely, if someone wanted to play 'exodite' Eldar that used creatures and animals for their gear, I wouldn't mind letting them use the Tyranid codex for their army, as long as they were clear and consistent and sensible about what was what (e.g. this gigantosaurus being ridden by the Exodite Prince is the Hive Tyrant, this horde of Exodite warriors are termagaunts, etc.)

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
You don't see anything wrong with the idea that people are using other codex's because the CSM codex can't even properly represent CSM legions?

I don't see anything wrong with an individual using whatever rule set they chose to represent their models.

I, personally, don't like how the undivided legions are being handled, but for the moment, this is what we have to work with. My suggestion was just an example attempt to use existing rules to represent what we lost with the removal of things like veteran skills.

TL,DR; I said we can use the csm codex to represent the legions with some *cringe* imagination, but I don't see a problem with using whatever codex you feel fits best.