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Read the whole complaint. I'm told there's a bit in there where he admits to being dropped by GW because he was recasting their stuff.

So GW are the only company in the world that took heavy inspiration from/ripped off Tolkien? Shouldn't he be also going after WOTC/Hasbro, Blizzard and nearly every other company with a medieval Europe styled fantasy IP? Likewise with the 40k side, if the superficial similarities between GW Space marines and Tyranids with other IP's are enough to bring this case then there are a lot of other much bigger companies who are just as guilty.

Edit- forgot to add the and

 Popsghostly wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
Best thing I learned from reading that complaint: injection molding services from China cost $0.03 a figure.

Yeah but creating the molds themselves is where the huge costs are. If you only make 200 figures, the number per shoots up.

Yeah, assuming that is true, one can only expect that doesn't take into account designing and creating the master; mold casting; packing; shipping; distro; actually paying their staff; etc. I'm sure GW makes a killing on their minis, but seems rather unbelievable.

Mold creation in China and India are also much cheaper, but you have to watch out for quality of places.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Popsghostly wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
Best thing I learned from reading that complaint: injection molding services from China cost $0.03 a figure.

Yeah but creating the molds themselves is where the huge costs are. If you only make 200 figures, the number per shoots up.

Yeah, assuming that is true, one can only expect that doesn't take into account designing and creating the master; mold casting; packing; shipping; distro; actually paying their staff; etc. I'm sure GW makes a killing on their minis, but seems rather unbelievable.

True that.

As to any type of copyright claims, one has to be the holder of the copyright to make a claim. Even if so, the elements have to be identical and not general fantasy themes. Infringement of a genetically engineered super human wearing power armor claim would be an uphill battle. On the other hand, a claim relating to a genetically engineered super human wearing power armor from a chapter of those super humans that are still loyal to an emperor where their genes came from fighting against renegade brothers would be much stronger.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Popsghostly wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
Best thing I learned from reading that complaint: injection molding services from China cost $0.03 a figure.

Yeah but creating the molds themselves is where the huge costs are. If you only make 200 figures, the number per shoots up.

Yeah, assuming that is true, one can only expect that doesn't take into account designing and creating the master; mold casting; packing; shipping; distro; actually paying their staff; etc. I'm sure GW makes a killing on their minis, but seems rather unbelievable.

Oh, I realize GW has other costs and the right to make money off their product. The cost of injection plastic molding is what is remarkable, that's cheap.

Oh, yeah, at least the numbers I've looked at have always suggested that HIPS is the way to as long as you can be sure you'll sell enough: the cost is in the prep, not the casting, so if you manage to cover the cost up to mold making, you're basically printing money from then on out.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
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Nice troll post. If the OP had anything like your assumptions I might have missed it. Let's try a little harder next time, hmmm?

loooooooooooool

I'm not trolling...

This will be an enjoyable dumpster fire.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Best thing I learned from reading that complaint: injection molding services from China cost $0.03 a figure.

They don't cost that much. Typically less than a penny per. Of course depends on the amount of sprues. The box they put the sprues in costs more than the sprues themselves.

Reading the affidavit. It's comedic gold.

I'm genuinely wondering if the plaintiff may have mental health issues. And I absolutely don't say that as a joke.

His technique is rambling to say the least. Given he's blaming GW solely for the failure of his businesses, could he be in the middle of some kind of breakdown?

RazorEdge wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
edited by moderator

Nice troll post. If the OP had anything like your assumptions I might have missed it. Let's try a little harder next time, hmmm?

loooooooooooool

I'm not trolling...

Insert Boxxy gif here _________________.

lol. I have no words. I skimmed the document and the things this guy is claiming are ludicrous, putting it lightly.


I thought it was a joke so did a search on Justia; nope, it's legit.
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/0:2017cv61100/507554

If somebody wants to spend money on the status, they can access it through PACER.


Edit:
It reads like a small store owner who was damaged by the ToS changes that GW put out in the last couple of years. He's bitter, very bitter. Unless he's a total crank, which he might very well be, he's probably wanting to cost GW money in legal fees.

 theharrower wrote:
Of course depends on the amount of sprues.

Good point. I mostly interact with print media when making big runs, but you're generally looking at like a 10-20% increase in total printing (just printing) price each time you double the order size (so 4x the print run would still probably hit under 1.5x the printing cost)-- they really incentivize you making big orders, so if GW expects they can move a ton of whatever it is, they can print things for better cost.

He's filing "pro se", which means he's representing himself. He's a kook. Won't go anywhere.

- No statute violation cited.
- No financial harm cited.
- No contract violated.
- Judgement from the bench.

Before there were internet trolls, there were legal ones.


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even IF you accept one was a copy of the other, Space Hulk has a release date of 1987 vs Battletechs Technical Readout 3050 which has a release date of 1990.

the battletech and 40k complaints are all similarily incoherant.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Of course depends on the amount of sprues.

Good point. I mostly interact with print media when making big runs, but you're generally looking at like a 10-20% increase in total printing (just printing) price each time you double the order size (so 4x the print run would still probably hit under 1.5x the printing cost)-- they really incentivize you making big orders, so if GW expects they can move a ton of whatever it is, they can print things for better cost.

For models it's all upfront and the costs go into tooling and making the molds which ranges from $35K on up. After that, banging out sprues is super cheap.

 theharrower wrote:
For models it's all upfront and the costs go into tooling and making the molds which ranges from $35K on up. After that, banging out sprues is super cheap.

I definitely recognize that the bulk is in tooling, but don't know what setup fees etc. come to, or how heavily rewarded bulk orders are. Also, I'm pretty sure HIPS mold tooling has gone down in price in recent years?

The lawyer who commented is right. Although I wish Gw get a good hit to teach them a lesson and punish there dickery, in this case, it's just sombody being greedy and giving justice a go to make money. None of his claim about their illegal policy (though much likely to proven right) are backed up with enough evidence, and attacking GW for not paying legacies to Tolkien or whoever the feth it is is ridiculous, especially when the people in question just came up with a modernized version of older myths and legens. No way this can work in court. This guy should feel ashame for filling such a lawsuit.

The only reason he's brought this is because he was caught selling counterfeit - he even admits that's why his contract was pulled.
Rob Baer has his own axe to grind with GW hence his effective championing / sympathy towards the litigant.

 Art Steventon wrote:
The only reason he's brought this is because he was caught selling counterfeit - he even admits that's why his contract was pulled.
Rob Baer has his own axe to grind with GW hence his effective championing / sympathy towards the litigant.

More details? Is the counterfeit stuff in the legalese somewhere? How does Rob Baer figure in?

The counterfeit is yes. He mentions losing his contract due to 'lies and fakery' or words to that effect.
Spikey Bits were the ones to dig the case out of the legal channels - I believe after the litigant tipped them the wink. So now they're posting it all over social media as some kind of trial of the year....
Baer is bitter after being ignored for playtesting on eighth ed... and has had an axe to grind for years...

 ImAGeek wrote:
Can you sue people for ripping things off that aren't yours anyway?

Well you can sue. The question is whether the lawsuit will win.

If the IP challenge is being made by someone who doesn't own the IP I don't think there is much the court can do even if it finds in the favour of the plaintiff unless the plaintiff has financial title to the IP concerned, most the plaintiff can get is sympathies.

I see this whole issue as a frivolous lawsuit.

 Art Steventon wrote:
The counterfeit is yes. He mentions losing his contract due to 'lies and fakery' or words to that effect.
Spikey Bits were the ones to dig the case out of the legal channels - I believe after the litigant tipped them the wink. So now they're posting it all over social media as some kind of trial of the year....
Baer is bitter after being ignored for playtesting on eighth ed... and has had an axe to grind for years...

Sounds like 100% of Baer's Spikey Bitz income is thanks to GW for making a game. Not sure why he'd want to bite the hand that feeds him...

Also, I read through all of the legal docs. Wow. That was highly entertaining. I love that one of his complaints (#27?) is that GW ended WFB and replaced it with Age of Sigmar, thus betraying its fanbase. Hahahahahahahahaha. Seriously. This reads like the memoirs of a bitter lunatic. I'm sure he feels genuinely snubbed, but this isn't the way to go about redressing an injury.

 Kriswall wrote:
I love that one of his complaints (#27?) is that GW ended WFB and replaced it with Age of Sigmar, thus betraying its fanbase. Hahahahahahahahaha. Seriously. This reads like the memoirs of a bitter lunatic. I'm sure he feels genuinely snubbed, but this isn't the way to go about redressing an injury.

Yeah, that was a good one.

Contrary to what some might think, a company can pretty much decide not to continue production of whatever product they make and it is not some kind of "breach of implied contract" (which isn't even a thing and not in any way legally enforceable; I mean, "implied contract"? Come on...).

If that were the case I'd like to sue pretty much every company that ever stopped making something I used to buy from them but is no longer made.

 Valander wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
I love that one of his complaints (#27?) is that GW ended WFB and replaced it with Age of Sigmar, thus betraying its fanbase. Hahahahahahahahaha. Seriously. This reads like the memoirs of a bitter lunatic. I'm sure he feels genuinely snubbed, but this isn't the way to go about redressing an injury.

Yeah, that was a good one.

Contrary to what some might think, a company can pretty much decide not to continue production of whatever product they make and it is not some kind of "breach of implied contract" (which isn't even a thing and not in any way legally enforceable; I mean, "implied contract"? Come on...).

If that were the case I'd like to sue pretty much every company that ever stopped making something I used to buy from them but is no longer made.

I'm kind of salty that Mr. Pibb was discontinued in my region and replaced by Pibb Xtra. I should probably call a lawyer.

 Kriswall wrote:


Sounds like 100% of Baer's Spikey Bitz income is thanks to GW for making a game. Not sure why he'd want to bite the hand that feeds him...

Are you largely unfamiliar with the typical human? Something as logical as that will have little bearing on hurt feelings and a damaged ego!

I live in South FL and nobody knows who this guy is lol...

 Verviedi wrote:
Oh, great, now GW is going to go insane and rename all their armies and units to incoherent, copywritable babble.

A'stra Mylitary'um.

Spayce Orru'ks

T'a'u'

Yeah, I can see it. Everytime GW goes to court they start adding y's and apostrophes to everything.