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Daemonhost Cherubael wrote: To be fair, I don't blame spikeybits for reporting on this news, its enough to grasp our attention so we are aware of what is currently going on. Games Workshop from what I'm aware hasn't already made a statement on this issue (send me a link if they have).
I feel like this point has already been brought up before but if this guy had two of his stores go down the drain then isn't it his fault for not diversifying among his products?
Don't stores make enough money alone from selling MTG, DnD, X-wing, Comic books, and other role-playing franchises?
Also, what's up with everyone being salty today?
The guy was a big MtG guy but someone posted he sued them also no idea if that was before or after his stores died
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adamsouza wrote: Yeah, there is an unnatural amount of hate being tossed this guys way.
GWs business practices have frequently been on the cut throat side of things.
The Chapter House case brought to light lots of interesting tidbits about Clueless GW was about the legality of their copywright and trademark legality was. Their business practices could be in equally gray territory.
Corporations are, by law, required to act effectively as sociopaths to drive the best possible dividend for their share holders. Being cut throat is what it means to be a corporate, publicly traded entity. Also I don't think a civil suit can allege criminal complaints nor does the court consider 'recruiting a cult of thralls' a valid basis for a plea. I'm not mad that someone is suing GW - I'm mad that this guy's absolute lunacy is being given the light of the day - we're not talking about a well crafted case that makes legitimate accusations with grounds for action here. I think anyone has a right to be angry about this subject because it is a load of BS and isn't credible in any capacity.
Doc, the thing about this hobby is that it is best broken down like this: You have ten people in a room that are into 40k.
Three of them enjoy the game, the hobby, and are flat-out great people to play with.
Two of them are min/maxing powergamers that don't have any strategy at all, they just use deathstars and spam.
The other five are whining about the rules, the models, the other players, the armies other people play, and everything.
This hobby is 50% whining. That means at least half of the 'big names' that talk about this hobby are going to use their platform to piss and moan.
So.. judging from your post whining about the whiners, you're firmly in that 50% bracket, right? It is entirely plausible (not just possible) to be a flat out great person to play with and yet be unhappy about the current state of 40k or GW's corporate mindset driven actions. If you're not aware of that, I'll have to assume you skipped out on 6th/7th editions.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: So I asked a senior federal legal brain about this, linking the complaint.
He responded.
Oh dear God what hilarity! The plaintiff should get hit with sanctions from the court for frivolous litigation. The complaint is so facially defective; I find it very difficult to believe the plaintiff is an LLM. I’m not sure if this absurd complaint can give rise to a counterclaim for defamation, my hunch is no, but it would actually require research and, in the case of this hot garbage, might even prove worthwhile. The plaintiff sounds more than a little unhinged. Besides anything else, does he think he is a government? Individual citizens can’t and don’t have legal causes of action for alleged criminal acts of others. He might have a civil cause of action for contract breach and maybe, maybe tortious interference with his business(es), but he failed to state a claim upon which relief could be granted. A judge would dismiss this in a heartbeat (after privately laughing, a LOT, at it). What hubris… An LLM (in case you didn’t know that’s a PhD of law… one step up from the regular Juris Doctor degree) indeed, or so he alleged. I have never heard of a lawyer asserting their degree in anything, except for the very few specialties which require an LLM (such as high level tax law), this guy sounds like a total blowhard. That pleading was SO badly written that it made me think that no lawyer could really be that bad, again, it entirely screams for sanctions for frivolous litigation.
Basically what this comes down to is another 'Florida Man' story.
Crazy and a bit funny, but also makes you wonder about the state of mental health.
One of the funniest lawsuits I've read in a while. Thank you Florida Man for providing those of us with the odd hobby of reading bad lawsuits some fun.
Daemonhost Cherubael wrote: To be fair, I don't blame spikeybits for reporting on this news, its enough to grasp our attention so we are aware of what is currently going on. Games Workshop from what I'm aware hasn't already made a statement on this issue (send me a link if they have).
I feel like this point has already been brought up before but if this guy had two of his stores go down the drain then isn't it his fault for not diversifying among his products?
Don't stores make enough money alone from selling MTG, DnD, X-wing, Comic books, and other role-playing franchises?
Also, what's up with everyone being salty today?
The guy was a big MtG guy but someone posted he sued them also no idea if that was before or after his stores died
Apparently WotC granted him permission to make a poster that showed all the cards, but the quality of the giant poster was so good WotC revoked the permission to avoid counterfeit cards being made from the poster. Hence, the lawsuit (he won). Side note - him and all his close buddies and loyal gamer buddies received the majority of the posters and he sold and profited from the rest.
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So.. judging from your post whining about the whiners, you're firmly in that 50% bracket, right? It is entirely plausible (not just possible) to be a flat out great person to play with and yet be unhappy about the current state of 40k or GW's corporate mindset driven actions. If you're not aware of that, I'll have to assume you skipped out on 6th/7th editions.
There's a difference between 'whining' and 'pointing out the obvious'. If you're not aware of that, you must have been focused too much on being a snarky forum troll and not enough on 'using common sense'. It's okay, it was a clever comeback and I expect some degree of reaction from the crybaby 'BAWWW IT CHANGED' crowd.
If you don't like how it is, complain to the company or offer alternatives. Complaining on a fansite is just a bleat for attention, and that's a trait in children that had poor parenting- the 'cry/reward' mentality that's instilled from not telling the child 'no'.
I enjoy 8th edition. I enjoyed 7th edition.
Whiny neckbeards kept me away from this hobby from about 4th-6th, so there's that. I didn't stick around crying for attention. I just did other things.
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BigDaddio wrote: I'm thinking the reason we have yet to hear a response from GW is because they can't breathe for laughing so hard.
It is so complicated, and so funny, and laughable! Why? Read below -
"With international lawsuits you have to serve the person you are suing. There's a Central Authority that receives, reviews, and executes requests from foreign courts for carrying out service of process. Most countries that are signatories to the Hague Service Convention will accept these requests for service that are signed by the lawyer for the plaintiff (claimant). Two exceptions are the UK and Israel.
On top of that, the claimant needs to obtain evidence located in that foreign country, that party (claimant) will usually need to make a request of the local court for it (the court) to issue a Letter of Request pursuant to the Hague Evidence Convention. Under the HEC, each member state is required to designate a Central Authority to receive, review, and carry out incoming requests to obtain evidence from persons (or other entities) located in the receiving country. [[u]b]Two exceptions are the UK and Israel.[/b]
Many countries take the view that American concepts of long-arm jurisdiction are too broad, and courts of such countries will not recognize judgments from American courts based on the exercise of American long-arm jurisdiction. Looking at the issue from the non-American perspective, courts in some countries exercise jurisdiction based upon principles that American courts would consider unfair and repugnant to American law. For example, in some countries, such as England and Israel, will rarely recognize judgments from American courts."
...... got me at 110% being used as a term in the formal wording in a legal challenge.
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Orlanth wrote: ...... got me at 110% being used as a term in the formal wording in a legal challenge.
I've read through it.
It's like someone who sits around watching Judge Judy all day just up and decided to draft their own legal papers.
Moral of the story: You ALWAYS need a lawyer.
The guy suing claims to have an LLM and thus supposedly is/was a lawyer at some point.
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Orlanth wrote: ...... got me at 110% being used as a term in the formal wording in a legal challenge.
I've read through it.
It's like someone who sits around watching Judge Judy all day just up and decided to draft their own legal papers.
Moral of the story: You ALWAYS need a lawyer.
The guy suing claims to have an LLM and thus supposedly is/was a lawyer at some point.
given he's also supposeidvly a reverand I suspect his LLM, assuming he's not outright lying about his credentials. comes from some "Christian diploma mill" type university
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Someone should bring to Games Workshops attention that he's recasting for commercial sale.
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IFC_Casting wrote: Someone should bring to Games Workshops attention that he's recasting for commercial sale.
They already know. The thing he submitted says, paraphrased, that he lost his retailer discount and distributors were told not to sell to him because he was allegedly counterfeiting models. He disputes the claim.
IFC_Casting wrote: Someone should bring to Games Workshops attention that he's recasting for commercial sale.
They already know. The thing he submitted says, paraphrased, that he lost his retailer discount and distributors were told not to sell to him because he was allegedly counterfeiting models. He disputes the claim.
Perhaps GW should counter sue and let him dispute that claim in court
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
So.. judging from your post whining about the whiners, you're firmly in that 50% bracket, right? It is entirely plausible (not just possible) to be a flat out great person to play with and yet be unhappy about the current state of 40k or GW's corporate mindset driven actions. If you're not aware of that, I'll have to assume you skipped out on 6th/7th editions.
There's a difference between 'whining' and 'pointing out the obvious'. If you're not aware of that, you must have been focused too much on being a snarky forum troll and not enough on 'using common sense'. It's okay, it was a clever comeback and I expect some degree of reaction from the crybaby 'BAWWW IT CHANGED' crowd.
If you don't like how it is, complain to the company or offer alternatives. Complaining on a fansite is just a bleat for attention, and that's a trait in children that had poor parenting- the 'cry/reward' mentality that's instilled from not telling the child 'no'.
I enjoy 8th edition. I enjoyed 7th edition.
Whiny neckbeards kept me away from this hobby from about 4th-6th, so there's that. I didn't stick around crying for attention. I just did other things.
So after writing about whiners you're whining about the 'neckbeards' who kept you away from 4th-6th edition. Stay classy.
I do like the pseudo psycho analysis about other people's parenting though, that one always makes me chuckle.
I have openly disliked GW's business practices since about 2008/2009 or so. I hate the new miniatures, I strongly dislike the new fluff, I loathed their regional sales embargo..... but I love Forgeworld models, the Horus Heresy game and the early Heresy novels....
Does this mean I am bleating for attention? If I don't agree with you and your views I am " doing it wrong?". I see you joined Dakka sometime this year, maybe you should go back to your old forum if you dislike Dakka so much?
IFC_Casting wrote: Someone should bring to Games Workshops attention that he's recasting for commercial sale.
They already know. The thing he submitted says, paraphrased, that he lost his retailer discount and distributors were told not to sell to him because he was allegedly counterfeiting models. He disputes the claim.
One of the members here was offered a recast by him on eBay of the limited captain centos model, so there's proof available to GW if they want to sue him.
“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
"Yar har fiddle-dee-dee, being a pirate is alright with me!
I'll do what I want 'cause a pirate is free, I am a pirate!"
Azazelx wrote: The guy's got some real ...interesting history if you do some google reading following that "David Moore sifulama" stuff posted earlier...
Hah! If he really was a psychic like he claims then he wouldn't of ever thought he could win this case.
“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
"Yar har fiddle-dee-dee, being a pirate is alright with me!
I'll do what I want 'cause a pirate is free, I am a pirate!"
Someone earlier said without snark that this guy appears to probably have some serious mental health issues. I think this is also quite feasable. I've had a look at that "modelgirl" stuff now as well, and it's really fething weird...
Reading the ebay feedback report its either someone with mental issues or someone who has twigged that if you get aggressive with people when they are critical of you you can actually get a lot of people to back down. It's a pressure tactic which works because it comes out of the blue and people don't expect it; furthermore being mindlessly single-minded and always on the dominant/attack wears people down and makes them more likely to give in/give up.
This can work rather well when its a one-on-one situation. However when you try to upgrade it to company on company it tends to fall flat if the company you go after happens to be bigger than a one or two person operation; and if they actually have legal advice and if there's serious money on the table.
It's all about scale and chances are this person might well have tried this kind of tactic in the past and had just the threat of going to court be enough to get some to back down. However going after a bigger company with such a legal claim its not going to work. Essentially bullies like this don't work on the idea of not letting the other person call their bluff as often as not they can't actually make good on their threats (or if they can the threat is very minimal).
Agreed about pressure and aggression, even moreso when people think the seller is a pretty girl doing on behalf of a church (check the eBay profile, etc)
There's also a lot of stuff in the "psychic" angle as well. Stuff about the MTG "poster", selling recasts as originals and so, so much more.
It might not be mental health issues but a sort of sociopathic scammer. Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B...
Certainly all of his business names (excepting modelgirl) being rips of/inspired by other IPs is entertaining. I don't know much about Rob Baer or Spikybitz (I watched a couple videos recently and was turned off) but if he's someone who chooses to align himself with this sort of guy with clearly biased and dodgy writeups about "industry watchdogs" or whatever the feth it was, then I'm going to give him a hell of a wide berth as well.
Again you've got someone who is inclined to dodgy or outright illegal/immoral activities preying on gamers. It seems that this guy has been better at covering his tracks/closingup and operating. However you've still got that distinct dodgy edge and some clear signs that he's using methods to twist things to his advantage (female named accounts; charity links; etc..).
As for Spiky I think he's mostly just doing what most/many news sites do today - stiring the drama pot for hits.
Again you've got someone who is inclined to dodgy or outright illegal/immoral activities preying on gamers. It seems that this guy has been better at covering his tracks/closingup and operating. However you've still got that distinct dodgy edge and some clear signs that he's using methods to twist things to his advantage (female named accounts; charity links; etc..).
As for Spiky I think he's mostly just doing what most/many news sites do today - stiring the drama pot for hits.
Just a note, it was never an actual charity, he just named one of his LLCs with the word "charity" in the name. (This was part of the reason WotC revoked him making card posters...). He has a habit of working with a game company, then turns around and sues them when he fails to sell the product. He's a habitual lawsuit filer, and there's a really old slip-n-fall case he was involved with too.
So.. judging from your post whining about the whiners, you're firmly in that 50% bracket, right? It is entirely plausible (not just possible) to be a flat out great person to play with and yet be unhappy about the current state of 40k or GW's corporate mindset driven actions. If you're not aware of that, I'll have to assume you skipped out on 6th/7th editions.
There's a difference between 'whining' and 'pointing out the obvious'. If you're not aware of that, you must have been focused too much on being a snarky forum troll and not enough on 'using common sense'. It's okay, it was a clever comeback and I expect some degree of reaction from the crybaby 'BAWWW IT CHANGED' crowd.
If you don't like how it is, complain to the company or offer alternatives. Complaining on a fansite is just a bleat for attention, and that's a trait in children that had poor parenting- the 'cry/reward' mentality that's instilled from not telling the child 'no'.
I enjoy 8th edition. I enjoyed 7th edition.
Whiny neckbeards kept me away from this hobby from about 4th-6th, so there's that. I didn't stick around crying for attention. I just did other things.
So after writing about whiners you're whining about the 'neckbeards' who kept you away from 4th-6th edition. Stay classy.
I do like the pseudo psycho analysis about other people's parenting though, that one always makes me chuckle.
I have openly disliked GW's business practices since about 2008/2009 or so. I hate the new miniatures, I strongly dislike the new fluff, I loathed their regional sales embargo..... but I love Forgeworld models, the Horus Heresy game and the early Heresy novels....
Does this mean I am bleating for attention? If I don't agree with you and your views I am " doing it wrong?". I see you joined Dakka sometime this year, maybe you should go back to your old forum if you dislike Dakka so much?
Don't be ridiculous. In his preferred false equivalency, it just means you're a horrible person and a no fun to play against bane of the hobby because you expressed dislike regarding things GW has done. Get it right, Fab.
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Orlanth wrote: ...... got me at 110% being used as a term in the formal wording in a legal challenge.
I've read through it.
It's like someone who sits around watching Judge Judy all day just up and decided to draft their own legal papers.
Moral of the story: You ALWAYS need a lawyer.
The guy suing claims to have an LLM and thus supposedly is/was a lawyer at some point.
Not always. A good chunk of people with legal academic degrees never even sit for the bar exam. Also, there is no oversight for awarding degrees. I can award anybody I like an LLM from the Polonius College of Law. Plenty of cranks have "Degrees" from diploma mills.
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