chaos Index/codex update

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**reds8n**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/13/daemons-and-thousand-sons-in-codex-chaos-space-marines-aug-13gw-homepage-post-2/

Codex: Chaos Space Marines is now available, and other Chaos players may be wondering what this means for them. With each codex, we want to expand and balance the game, and so we’re making some changes to Daemons and clarifying how the new Dark Hereticus discipline works for your armies.

Firstly, we’re providing updated points for lesser Daemons for free in this errata, as well as making some changes to Horrors. Brimstone Horrors have been very popular in the new edition, and it’s not hard to see why – who doesn’t want to command an army of malicious, sentient magical flame? Even so, we’re keen to keep Chaos armies as diverse as possible, as well as making sure that Pink Horrors are just as powerful and as useful as their smaller cousins. To this end, Brimstone Horrors now cost slightly more points, while Pink Horrors cost less. You’ll also need 10 or more Pink Horrors in a unit to make full use of Smite. Finally, Plaguebearers, Daemonettes and Bloodletters now cost fewer points, making them a more attractive option when building your army. These changes are now the de-facto profiles and points for all these units, whether you play an Index army of Chaos Daemons or you own Codex: Chaos Space Marines – you can download them in the latest errata for Index: Chaos.

Secondly, if you’re a Thousand Sons player, you may have noticed that the Dark Hereticus discipline in the new codex is larger than the one in the Index. Don’t worry – the discipline isn’t being replaced and you won’t need to get Codex: Chaos Space Marines to keep using it. Similarly, if you have Codex: Chaos Space Marines, you’re welcome to use the expanded Dark Hereticus powers with your Thousand Sons Psykers. If you’re a Daemons player, this change also applies to Be’lakor.

English text link :

https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/40K_8th_ed_Update_Index_Chaos_ver_1.2.pdf

**BorderCountess**

Excellent. More psychic options for my Thousand Sons!

**gigasnail**

You know, it says you can use the powers in the article but I'm not seeing where that's in the FAQ.

**Loopstah**

It doesn't say it in the FAQ.

Basically you can use whicever Dark Hereticus you own the rules for by the sounds of it as the units just have access to a "Dark Hereticus" discipline.

Only own the Index - use Index Dark Hereticus.
Own the Codex- use the Codex Dark Hereticus.

**alextroy**

The article literally says if you want to use the expanded "Dark Hereticus Discipline that Codex Chaos Space Marines can be purchased here...

**gigasnail**

Yeah I'm not super concerned with what's in the article, just what's in the actual rules.

Don't think it matter though, the new rules for dark Hereticus would supercede the old ones anyway (newest datasheet, etc).

**Ghaz**

You do see this at the top of the page?...

Spoiler:

**DarkStarSabre**

gigasnail wrote:
You know, it says you can use the powers in the article but I'm not seeing where that's in the FAQ.

I assume it follows the rules a bit for the general Codex FAQ they did back with SM.

If you have an Index list you have two options. You can keep using the Index. No harm, no foul.

But if units/or psychic disciplines in your list have been updated in the Codex and you choose to buy the Codex then you can use its updated datasheet, points cost and the like.

So for Thousand Sons that means an expanded Dark Hereticus, a cheaper Thousand Sons unit, modified point/power daemon engines and vehicles.

For Death Guard it's a hell of a buff as it means you get so many options for your now cheaper Plague Marines.

**gigasnail**

Yeah I just didn't really follow it was updating the same discipline they already used. Pre-coffee posting is always bad, and I feel bad for it.

**Voss**

gigasnail wrote:
You know, it says you can use the powers in the article but I'm not seeing where that's in the FAQ.

It doesn't. It probably should, just for completeness. But whatever, they're clearly treating the indexes as 'get you by' lists, and being a bit sloppy in execution.

Don't think it matter though, the new rules for dark Hereticus would supercede the old ones anyway (newest datasheet, etc).

Technically speaking, it isn't a datasheet (which are specifically the unit stat & equipment blocks)

**gigasnail**

Right, but it's still the newest version of w/e you want to call the discipline rules.

I'm satisfied (really just hadn't absorbed the info properly, it's pretty plain why they'd get access) but man, some of the people I have to deal with, well. You know how people can be.

**Kirasu**

Loopstah wrote:
It doesn't say it in the FAQ.

Basically you can use whicever Dark Hereticus you own the rules for by the sounds of it as the units just have access to a "Dark Hereticus" discipline.

Only own the Index - use Index Dark Hereticus.
Own the Codex- use the Codex Dark Hereticus.

Owning a set of rules is completely irrelevant. The rules exist regardless if you bought the book. You're basically saying you can have two sorcerors one with index dark hereticus and one with codex.. and then use the same power twice because they are different disciplines.

Index allows you to use forgotten datasheets, that's it. If you play the army then you should get a copy of your newest rules, that's how it works in games or borrow, transcribe, whatever.

**Azreal13**

Index allows you to use forgotten datasheets, that's it

QFT.

People need to stop tying themselves in knots trying to cherry pick stuff out of the indexes that they want to keep using. Unit data sheets and equipment options that do not exist in the Codex are the only thing there is explicit permission to use, all other rules is just a leap of logic that isn't supported by any official material.

**Loopstah**

Kirasu wrote:
Loopstah wrote:
It doesn't say it in the FAQ.

Basically you can use whicever Dark Hereticus you own the rules for by the sounds of it as the units just have access to a "Dark Hereticus" discipline.

Only own the Index - use Index Dark Hereticus.
Own the Codex- use the Codex Dark Hereticus.

Owning a set of rules is completely irrelevant. The rules exist regardless if you bought the book. You're basically saying you can have two sorcerors one with index dark hereticus and one with codex.. and then use the same power twice because they are different disciplines.

Index allows you to use forgotten datasheets, that's it. If you play the army then you should get a copy of your newest rules, that's how it works in games or borrow, transcribe, whatever.

Literally GW themselves:

Secondly, if you’re a Thousand Sons player, you may have noticed that the Dark Hereticus discipline in the new codex is larger than the one in the Index. Don’t worry – the discipline isn’t being replaced and you won’t need to get Codex: Chaos Space Marines to keep using it. Similarly, if you have Codex: Chaos Space Marines, you’re welcome to use the expanded Dark Hereticus powers with your Thousand Sons Psykers. If you’re a Daemons player, this change also applies to Be’lakor.