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I've been following 9th Age since its inception, but never really got into it. I still subscribe to their Facebook page and peruse their forums from time to time to check out hobby/painting, because of the obvious overlap with AoS in all but the newest models (Stormcast, Kharadron, etc.). I saw this topic in a thread in their general discussions subforum and thought it was pretty big news.

Adepticon's response to a 9th Age fan who expressed dismay at the news:


Thanks for reaching out to us. Glad to hear that you have been considering joining us at AdeptiCon. While you are one potential attendee we value all our feedback past, present and future.

Please see the below reasoning behind our decision. Please feel free to reach out to me if you have any additional questions and hope you make it to AdeptiCon some year.

It was recently communicated to the ‘9th Age’ community that AdeptiCon would be unable to provide space to host ‘9th Age’ events at the 2018 convention. This was not a decision made lightly and, while we do our best to accommodate as many game systems as possible, space remains a finite resource. We understand that there are many questions and strong opinions about this decision and in an attempt to be as transparent as possible, we’ve tried to address them here.

First, if anyone has made hotel reservations and paid hotel deposits based on the expectation of playing ‘9th Age’ events at AdeptiCon 2018, we are committed to working with you to see your deposits refunded as soon as possible.

Second, this situation is not exclusively linked to the ‘9th Age’ events. Based on thorough review, we have decided to forgo open event submissions for the 2018 show. Again, this determination was not taken lightly. Due to significant and necessary cuts, AdeptiCon has decided to directly contact event organizers. Game systems that are being retained will also face tighter restrictions on space and table counts based on previous event performance. These steps were taken as part of a larger compromise between the availability of gaming space and the growth in many events, along with the interest in new game systems coming to market, including, but not limited to, ‘Song of Fire and Ice’, ‘Shadespire’, and ‘Star Wars: Legion.’
Additionally, AdeptiCon has an obligation to maintain its gaming “philosophy”, if you will. It has been a priority of the convention to see more space used for non-tournament, less competitive/structured gaming and experiences. This focus on more casual activities, from the popular Board Game hall, to the Hobby area, to the Open Gaming space, has been an important feature of AdeptiCon in recent years. AdeptiCon, once perceived mainly as a tournament event, has become a much more diversified gaming experience and it has taken a lot of work to make that possible. So while we still try and support everything we can, these more recent additions to AdeptiCon deserve as much consideration and attention as the hundreds of attendees that make use of them.

In speaking with Brian, we have offered our help and support in any way we possibly can,
including providing introductions to other regional conventions as alternate venues for ‘9th Age’ events. We also wanted to thank the organizers and judges involved with the ‘9th Age’ events. We understand that there will be some hurt feelings and that some ‘9th Age’ fans will be, justifiably, upset at losing access to their system at AdeptiCon. Again, this was not a decision we made in haste and no one person made it unilaterally. However, our priority is always what’s best for the future of the show and our course in this matter was clear. Thanks for your understanding.
Thank you


Interesting development. Obviously not the end of the world, but the system and its fan base seemed to be making decent strides in claiming a spot in the rank and flank vacuum left by WHFB. Its a setback in a way though.

Personally, as an outsider looking in, I feel like the one thing delaying its further success is that it lacks an actual retail product to put on shelves. I'm suprised that their robust and motivated development team never got a Kickstarter together and made an legit rulebook that retailers could sell. I think their modus operandi is too keep it free, but if a consumer can't see their product on the shelves, Rune Wars, Kings of War and the forthcoming Game of Thrones battle game will probably eat their lunch. My opinion, feel free to disagree!

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Yeah, I think the writing has been on the wall for some time. It seems the only really successful descendant of fantasy was, in fact, AoS! I totally would've backed a 9th Age Kickstarter, but without a model line it was doomed to a dwindling player base.

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 RiTides wrote:
, but without a model line it was doomed to a dwindling player base.



There is a 2-player box in the works to be released once 2.0 is launched (so early next year).

However Adepticon leaving 9th age without space is not due to lack of players, since the players being kicked out of adepticon will make a GT just around the corner from their location, on the same dates since a lot of them had already booked accomodation:

It goes by the name of CornerHammer (presumably pun intended)
https://www.cornerhammergt.com/

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A tourney competing with AdeptiCon for attendees seems unwise to say the least.

AdeptiCon has offered to refund anyone who needs it based on this news - I really doubt they'll have enough players to make it worth it. It also is definitely not going to be "around the corner " - all venues near the main one were booked up really quickly. So, attendees will need cars if they want to go to both the tourney and AdeptiCon.

I would just take the refund and not commit to what is likely a losing proposition... that site has no details at all and there's every chance it doesn't materialize, or get enough players to cover the cost of the separate venue, etc.

Not trying to be too negative, but just realistically speaking it would make much more sense to attend a con offering 9th Age, than to try to cram it in near one that isn't!
   
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 RiTides wrote:
A tourney competing with AdeptiCon for attendees seems unwise to say the least.


It doesn't compete. It sets up a space close enough that people can play their 9th age GT and drop by adepticon afterwards.

Adepticon has agreed to advertise cornerhammer inside the con, too.

   
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jouso wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
A tourney competing with AdeptiCon for attendees seems unwise to say the least.


It doesn't compete. It sets up a space close enough that people can play their 9th age GT and drop by adepticon afterwards.

Adepticon has agreed to advertise cornerhammer inside the con, too.



Oh, good (the last part, it's crystal clear Cornerhammer doesn't want to compete). It's tough what they had going, at least they can get a bit of help. Hopefully they can get back into the Adepticon next year, thus not needed to pay for both Adepticon and the tournament.
   
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Ah, that's better at least - but I still think it's going to be a difficult thing to get a solid attendance for, given the need for driving between the two / etc. But good to see it at least has AdeptiCon's support if they want to give it a go!
   
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 RiTides wrote:
Ah, that's better at least - but I still think it's going to be a difficult thing to get a solid attendance for, given the need for driving between the two / etc. But good to see it at least has AdeptiCon's support if they want to give it a go!


That's just Adepticon throwing some of their oldest attendants a bone, because registrations had been going for weeks. Last year Adepticon 9th age events beat AoS, Blood Bowl and several other "supported" game systems for attendance and this years was projected to be even bigger but ultimately Adepticon is a business and apparently there are sponsoring conflicts.

   
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jouso wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
Ah, that's better at least - but I still think it's going to be a difficult thing to get a solid attendance for, given the need for driving between the two / etc. But good to see it at least has AdeptiCon's support if they want to give it a go!


That's just Adepticon throwing some of their oldest attendants a bone, because registrations had been going for weeks. Last year Adepticon 9th age events beat AoS, Blood Bowl and several other "supported" game systems for attendance and this years was projected to be even bigger but ultimately Adepticon is a business and apparently there are sponsoring conflicts.



Wasn't the trend inverted this year, though, even assuming the forced limits on T9A they spoke of roughly 70?
   
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 RiTides wrote:
It seems the only really successful descendant of fantasy was, in fact, AoS!


AoS is not a descendant of Warhammer Fantasy. It's a totally new game set in a sequel universe.

Warhammer Fantasy's only descendants are things like 9th Age or Kings of War.

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Lord Kragan wrote:
jouso wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
Ah, that's better at least - but I still think it's going to be a difficult thing to get a solid attendance for, given the need for driving between the two / etc. But good to see it at least has AdeptiCon's support if they want to give it a go!


That's just Adepticon throwing some of their oldest attendants a bone, because registrations had been going for weeks. Last year Adepticon 9th age events beat AoS, Blood Bowl and several other "supported" game systems for attendance and this years was projected to be even bigger but ultimately Adepticon is a business and apparently there are sponsoring conflicts.



Wasn't the trend inverted this year, though, even assuming the forced limits on T9A they spoke of roughly 70?


Hard to tell since registrations for Adepticon AoS events haven't started yet. But last years it was something like 2-1 for 9th age vs AoS. Buckeye battles managed 100+ earlier this year.

This was a decision from Adepticon at the space allocating stage. You don't sponsor, go play elsewhere is the tl;dr version.


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jouso wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
jouso wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
Ah, that's better at least - but I still think it's going to be a difficult thing to get a solid attendance for, given the need for driving between the two / etc. But good to see it at least has AdeptiCon's support if they want to give it a go!


That's just Adepticon throwing some of their oldest attendants a bone, because registrations had been going for weeks. Last year Adepticon 9th age events beat AoS, Blood Bowl and several other "supported" game systems for attendance and this years was projected to be even bigger but ultimately Adepticon is a business and apparently there are sponsoring conflicts.



Wasn't the trend inverted this year, though, even assuming the forced limits on T9A they spoke of roughly 70?


Hard to tell since registrations for Adepticon AoS events haven't started yet. But last years it was something like 2-1 for 9th age vs AoS. Buckeye battles managed 100+ earlier this year.

This was a decision from Adepticon at the space allocating stage. You don't sponsor, go play elsewhere is the tl;dr version.




Er. I'm talking about this 2017 event. 100-ish for AoS vs 48 (plus some twenty or so who couldn't participate, given that the Cornerhammer's estimate is around 70 for this year) for T9A.
   
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Lord Kragan wrote:


Er. I'm talking about this 2017 event. 100-ish for AoS vs 48 (plus some twenty or so who couldn't participate, given that the Cornerhammer's estimate is around 70 for this year) for T9A.


I was talking about '16 which were the only figures I'm sure they would have achieved better assistance than smaller cons like Buckeye if they'd had the space.

In any case Cornerhammer is at 30-something signed up in just 24h.



   
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I wouldn't be surprised if GW put the squeeze on them on the sly.
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if GW put the squeeze on them on the sly.



Mmm... not really, though? It mentions it's due to 3-4 games from big companies (GW amongst them, but not alone).
   
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This is not surprising. Fan-based projects rarely do very well without official backing from an actual company.

Now if someone created a company and pumped out "T9A" models and books and material, that would be an entirely different story.

But thats going to cost some $$$ to get off the ground, and that kind of investment is not easy to pull off.

Especially in a world where there are 1.2 trillion gaming systems running about on kickstarter and out in production and additionally we're in an age of combo-based low model count games.

I just never saw it moving beyond a fan project that would slowly choke itself out and die.
   
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 auticus wrote:
This is not surprising. Fan-based projects rarely do very well without official backing from an actual company.

Now if someone created a company and pumped out "T9A" models and books and material, that would be an entirely different story.

But thats going to cost some $$$ to get off the ground, and that kind of investment is not easy to pull off.

Especially in a world where there are 1.2 trillion gaming systems running about on kickstarter and out in production and additionally we're in an age of combo-based low model count games.

I just never saw it moving beyond a fan project that would slowly choke itself out and die.


Not really getting the point here.

9th age doesnt have the marketing dollars to exsist in the corporate landscape of adepticon.

Even though it brings in more players and they have bigger tournaments. They can t stay. It's all about those sweet sweet corporate dollars.

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Do we have confirmed tournament sizes for T9A? No one within a few hundred miles of here plays it, so I have nothing to reference with it.
   
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Well, it's not hard to see how a profit-oriented con would have a dim view of a popular but unsupported game that will not generate any sales eating up 35 tables, when that space can probably fit 4-5 lesser games that will sell boxes at their associated retail booths.

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While moving forward is important....Adepticon needs to remember those that got them to where they are. The all mighty $ isnt everything.

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I'm glad to see this happen. Adepticon is simply doing to T9A what T9A did to Dogs of War "Iron Crowns".

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'm glad to see this happen. Adepticon is simply doing to T9A what T9A did to Dogs of War "Iron Crowns".


What happened there?
   
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T9A went out of their way to block not-DoW development for the game, despite plenty of fan interest.

Then, they announced "Iron Crowns" as their not-DoW version, and back-burnered it indefinitely, until the bloom was off the rose, at which point they started poking around. But still no commit or allowing a fan version to proceed.

Basically, T9A pre-Squatted Dogs of War players. Dick move.

   
 
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