gendoikari87 wrote:
Have you played agrapinaa yet? No so the you don't know anything and can't speak about it.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Have you played agrapinaa yet? No so the you don't know anything and can't speak about it.

No, I haven't played the sub-par option. With my limited table time, I am focused on getting a grip on the stuff worth playing, especially since my area is extremely competitive.

gendoikari87 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Have you played agrapinaa yet? No so the you don't know anything and can't speak about it.

No, I haven't played the sub-par option. With my limited table time, I am focused on getting a grip on the stuff worth playing, especially since my area is extremely competitive.

understandable but you won't find new effective tactics like that. My meta is semi-competitive but I get At least two games in a week. Gives me chances to try things out I normally wouldn't. I really would suggest one game with agrapinaa. What do you have to lose? You win you found something new. You lose you get to come back here and yell and scream about how dumb it was

gendoikari87 wrote:
Well have fun with that.

gendoikari87 wrote:
gak. So I'll be running bots with 2 phosphor and incinerator or just three bots. I have been been banned from larger size units of kastelans, maximum 9 blasters

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Have you played agrapinaa yet? No so the you don't know anything and can't speak about it.

No, I haven't played the sub-par option. With my limited table time, I am focused on getting a grip on the stuff worth playing, especially since my area is extremely competitive.

understandable but you won't find new effective tactics like that. My meta is semi-competitive but I get At least two games in a week. Gives me chances to try things out I normally wouldn't. I really would suggest one game with agrapinaa. What do you have to lose? You win you found something new. You lose you get to come back here and yell and scream about how dumb it was

Simply put, I can evaluate it based on a decade of 40k game experience and 25 years of wargaming experience. It just isn't worth putting myself at a disadvantage, when I know that without Cawl and Wrath, I am not going to be able to do what our army does best - shoot stuff off the table. The singular benefit of Agripinaa is the FW trait of 5+ on Overwatch. The Warlord trait is bad, the Relic is bad. The strategem locks me into more subpar options because I need to run Kataphrons. So really, I am giving up offense for defense and forcing myself into bad choices to make it worthwhile. No bueno.

Cawl is too strong as a force multiplier. Wrath is too good at enabling us to stop threats long before they get to us and necessitate Overwatch. Agripinaa just doesn't do what Mars does to support our army.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Also I love Guard get their bonus and a stupid LD on top of it for Mordians. Because reasons.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Well how about this? I'm someone with a good amount of playtime (though maybe less than an 1/8th of the models) that has tested and concluded that the Overwatch bonus is stupid limited until Daemons and Orks get their Codices. How does that help?

Also I love Guard get their bonus and a stupid LD on top of it for Mordians. Because reasons.

 Aaranis wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Also I love Guard get their bonus and a stupid LD on top of it for Mordians. Because reasons.

I feel the same, like they're spitting on us by releasing what seems to be a good codex with overpowered doctrines and orders... Like the Vostroyan one from today, they have an order that ables them to fire normally while locked in CC. And we have to use a Warlord trait to get this, and its toast if the Warlord dies.

gendoikari87 wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Also I love Guard get their bonus and a stupid LD on top of it for Mordians. Because reasons.

I feel the same, like they're spitting on us by releasing what seems to be a good codex with overpowered doctrines and orders... Like the Vostroyan one from today, they have an order that ables them to fire normally while locked in CC. And we have to use a Warlord trait to get this, and its toast if the Warlord dies.

maybe this is all because foc is going to be stupid powerful? Maybe? If it ever appears

gendoikari87 wrote:
Can you just let me dream of vorax battle automata? Just a dream?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So settled on a 2k list I think will be a good starting point to see what does/doesnt do well with our dex

2000 (1991) points

Mars Spearhead

Cawl

Dakkabots x5

Icarus crawler x 2

Neutron crawler X1

Stygies Bat

Enginseer X2

Rangers X5 (2 arquebus, omnispex

Vangaurd X5
Vanguard X5

Fulgurite x10

Infil x 5 with stub/taser

Dragoon X3

I still believe that Fulgurites make a fantastic countercharge unit hanging around in the backfield.

Spera wrote:

Spoiler:

Corpuscarii are relatively cheap, not troop’s level cheap, but 14 pts/model isn’t much for power they offer and for role they are going to do. They aren’t super durable since 5+ inv and 5+ FNP is just barely better (55% vs 50%) than 4+ on 1D attacks. You can’t bump their defense by cover or Shroudpsalm, since their normal save is 6+, and T3 doesn’t help either in world where bolters are common. And you would need every bit of defense since their weapon range is only 12”.
Now, their weapon is 12” assault 3 s5 ap0 and D1 exploding 6+ on hit rolls giving you 3 instead 1 hit AND melee with the same stats. That is a lot of daka averaging with 33,(3) hits of 10 man shooting. It’s bit better than storm bolter in rapid fire range. What they lack in range, they add up to their value in melee averaging on 17,(6) hits on 10 man unit. That’s 50 hits in one round.
Their role is to get in front of your gunline with vanguard, catch charges and deny your opponent from deepstriking and fast attack units, preferably holding objective at the same time. They want to do that on high power opponents, like TEQ with plasma, scions with plasma, harlequins etc bikes. Preferred unit size is 5-10, anything over that will suffer from morale rolls. Look for places with LOS blocking terrain and hold that. Only horde type troops can reliably reclaim objective from them, since other ones won't stand chance in 1v1.
You could also drop them in size of 20+ with Lucius stratagem delivering nasty amounts of daka, but that may quickly backfire with morale rolls. Use with caution to sweep enemy backline objective holders on turn 2 or 3 and lock or distract artilery.

Their best Dogmas are Sygies and Graia(boost defense), then Metallica. They don't benefit from Lucius. They lack serious synergy since we don't have any way to give them +1to hit. There are few stratagems that we can use them with, mainly Wrath of mars, Acquisition at any cost, Legio teleportarium, Clandestine Infiltration and Zealous Congregation, of which three are Forge World specific.
Not bad unit, but overshadowed by other that can do its job better(Sicarian Infiltrators, Dragoons) pushing priest to semi-vanguard role, even harder since codex came out.
6/10

Another entry from me, this time other priests. I would really like suggestions and opinions on this one. Came to my mind that we could rate every unit form 1 to 10 (1=servitors level bad, 5=Vanguard level middle ground, 10=Dakkastelans)

 Aaranis wrote:
When you see the previews for the upcoming Astra Militarum codex you can already see they've put way more efforts in writing it then our codex, at least that's how I feel. Just two regiments published and you can already tell how powerful the Guard will be. Glad to see conscripts getting a nerf, they should've never been able to receive orders and the Commissar aura shouldn't work on undisciplined rabble that will sooner shoot him upon seeing him blasting random people than regaining morale.

I'll finally have my first game (barring the Apocalypse) post-Codex next week (maybe even Friday) at 1850 pts, against IG most likely. Can't wait to try out the stratagems, my new Dunecrawler Icarus and such. Problem is, he'll have his codex too by the time we play so I hope it isn't THAT powerful...

Octovol wrote:
I missed all that, have you got a source for the conscript nerf?

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Octovol wrote:
I missed all that, have you got a source for the conscript nerf?

"Conscripts, for example, have been changed to better reflect their inferior discipline compared to professional soldiers."

gendoikari87 wrote:
The leman russ basically gets a rapid fire battle cannon

Octovol wrote:

Spera wrote:

Spoiler:

Corpuscarii are relatively cheap, not troop’s level cheap, but 14 pts/model isn’t much for power they offer and for role they are going to do. They aren’t super durable since 5+ inv and 5+ FNP is just barely better (55% vs 50%) than 4+ on 1D attacks. You can’t bump their defense by cover or Shroudpsalm, since their normal save is 6+, and T3 doesn’t help either in world where bolters are common. And you would need every bit of defense since their weapon range is only 12”.
Now, their weapon is 12” assault 3 s5 ap0 and D1 exploding 6+ on hit rolls giving you 3 instead 1 hit AND melee with the same stats. That is a lot of daka averaging with 33,(3) hits of 10 man shooting. It’s bit better than storm bolter in rapid fire range. What they lack in range, they add up to their value in melee averaging on 17,(6) hits on 10 man unit. That’s 50 hits in one round.
Their role is to get in front of your gunline with vanguard, catch charges and deny your opponent from deepstriking and fast attack units, preferably holding objective at the same time. They want to do that on high power opponents, like TEQ with plasma, scions with plasma, harlequins etc bikes. Preferred unit size is 5-10, anything over that will suffer from morale rolls. Look for places with LOS blocking terrain and hold that. Only horde type troops can reliably reclaim objective from them, since other ones won't stand chance in 1v1.
You could also drop them in size of 20+ with Lucius stratagem delivering nasty amounts of daka, but that may quickly backfire with morale rolls. Use with caution to sweep enemy backline objective holders on turn 2 or 3 and lock or distract artilery.

Their best Dogmas are Sygies and Graia(boost defense), then Metallica. They don't benefit from Lucius. They lack serious synergy since we don't have any way to give them +1to hit. There are few stratagems that we can use them with, mainly Wrath of mars, Acquisition at any cost, Legio teleportarium, Clandestine Infiltration and Zealous Congregation, of which three are Forge World specific.
Not bad unit, but overshadowed by other that can do its job better(Sicarian Infiltrators, Dragoons) pushing priest to semi-vanguard role, even harder since codex came out.
6/10

Another entry from me, this time other priests. I would really like suggestions and opinions on this one. Came to my mind that we could rate every unit form 1 to 10 (1=servitors level bad, 5=Vanguard level middle ground, 10=Dakkastelans)

Priests only get 2 attacks in melee, 1 less than shooting.

 Aaranis wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Also I love Guard get their bonus and a stupid LD on top of it for Mordians. Because reasons.

I feel the same, like they're spitting on us by releasing what seems to be a good codex with overpowered doctrines and orders... Like the Vostroyan one from today, they have an order that ables them to fire normally while locked in CC. And we have to use a Warlord trait to get this, and its toast if the Warlord dies.

Wulfey wrote:
I am more concerned with Catachan vehicles getting to rerolling their random shots. That is going to make Catachan forgeworld artillery batteries even more overpowered than they are. 80 points for a basilisk platform that does d6 shots str9, -2, d3 damage shots already gets to roll two dice and pick the highest for the d6. A future catachen one will get to reroll one of the two dice. That is 3 bites at the d6 apple.