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drbored wrote:
I worry about the whole base-to-base rule. I predict a lot of slow playing thanks to that, and it won't be intentional.

Don't really see this as much of an issue, it takes less time to keep models in base to base, than it does to spread them out to maximize board presence.

They did FAQ squad coherency and "as a single group" to prevent the buddy system.

It's more an annoyance with the general 8e mechanics. Given that AOEs and Tank Shock are gone, the defender allocates all casualties, and pile-in is optional, a lot of tools to "outmaneuver" such blobs are no longer fully present, leaving 'weight of dice' as the only realistic answer now, and that's not the sort of game I'm looking for. Imagine if Street Fighter II was Zangeif and Dan Hibiki alone, with Vega noobslaying Dan, but bouncing off the Russkie juggernaut.

Uhhh...grinding advance seems bonkers now.

And people had problems against AM before, lol.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Uhhh...grinding advance seems bonkers now.

And people had problems against AM before, lol.

Yes, I feel the same way but we havent seen the other codexes yet. The rest could go bonkers as well.

It leaves Marines in a bad place if it happens though

People had issues against AM.. But it certainly wasn't because of Leman Russes that's for sure.

Points into leman russes means considerably less conscripts. This is far from doomsday stuff going on. If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for those that will be last to get their codex. The power-bump I see in my own admech just from getting a codex where the units and pointscosts are almost copy pasted from index is far from trivial. The stuff codex are getting makes index armies frail shadows.

Now if conscripts got the ability to innately fire twice with no point increase, then we'd have a problem.

Couple of questions:

How does Grinding Advance interact with the FW Leman Russ Conqueror? This Grinding Advance rule would supercede the one in the FW index, correct? Would the Conqueror Battle Cannon count as a Battle Cannon for this purpose?

How does Grinding Advance interact with Catachan's Brutal Strength (does this mean you can reroll the D6 both times the turret fires??)

Article mentions a point decrease for the Russ. Will the FW index get an errata for these new points?

Thanks

Probably no on all accounts until FW releases their own FAQ on the matter fixing it.

Kinda having the same issue with Contemptors and helbrutes with Chaos atm.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Now if conscripts got the ability to innately fire twice with no point increase, then we'd have a problem.

You mean, 4 times or 5 times? They can currently as mordians effectively fire 3 times per battle round (Order to double shooting + full BS overwatch)

Breng77 wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Now if conscripts got the ability to innately fire twice with no point increase, then we'd have a problem.

You mean, 4 times or 5 times? They can currently as mordians effectively fire 3 times per battle round (Order to double shooting + full BS overwatch)

I originally meant that as a hyperbole because it would stack with all of this crap. But then I realized the Mordian one effectively did exactly that, except it took the regiment trait.

Booger ork wrote:
Greetings humble guardsmen,

Today saw the release of the mordian iron guard regimental tactics, as well as an update for the leman russ!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/regiment-focus-mordian-sep26gw-homepage-post-2/
The commisariat has sent a survey to you, asking for your opinions in these developments. Response not optional.

I can see mordian leman russ, especially the punisher, being extremely powerful, with the ability to fire 40, yes 40! shots, and then hit on 5s in overwatch. Characters are going to have a very nasty time too.

My Gods.
"When the Russes Broke Free".

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
My Gods.
"When the Russes Broke Free".

Moment I read this a certain song came to my head.

YOU ARE FREE NOW!!!!

Given how dirt cheap Guard detachments are...

I don't think Guard players will be fielding single regiments. Expect to face armies that mix and match regiments up to whatever tournament detachment limit there is and exploit things like this "Sniper Rifles for EVERYONE!" stratagem or mobile Lemun Russes that double fire.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
My Gods.
"When the Russes Broke Free".

Moment I read this a certain song came to my head.

Totally intentional (but I preferred to do not go further on parody due to the tone of such song, out of respect).

 Arkaine wrote:
Given how dirt cheap Guard detachments are...

I don't think Guard players will be fielding single regiments. Expect to face armies that mix and match regiments up to whatever tournament detachment limit there is and exploit things like this "Sniper Rifles for EVERYONE!" stratagem or mobile Lemun Russes that double fire.

Isn't that true for ANY Codex army? I can easily group my marines into two or three detachments and pick the best CT for each detachment. It's something almost everyone gets in 8th, except for snowflake armies like Grey Knights. Might wanna start getting used to that.

It'll be way easier for armies with cheap detachments, obviously. I imagine Necrons will have a tough time justifying the mix and match considering how expensive all their stuff is.

Bloomin' heck.

Guard are starting to look like a force to contend with. Without conscript spam.

Liking the Catachan rules, fairly nasty.

 Thairne wrote:
Oh.
Oh.
Tank Commander Punisher is looking REALLY scary right now.
That thing deletes a squad of infantry outright per turn.

How bout Paskisher for 10 more points? 40 (that's FOURTY) BS2+ S5 shots. Wow. That's an average of 22 saves for T4 infantry, and that's just the Punisher cannon!

 crimsondave wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
Oh.
Oh.
Tank Commander Punisher is looking REALLY scary right now.
That thing deletes a squad of infantry outright per turn.

How bout Paskisher for 10 more points? 40 (that's FOURTY) BS2+ S5 shots. Wow. That's an average of 22 saves for T4 infantry, and that's just the Punisher cannon!

If that math is right, bloody hell!

Pardon my language.

You can tack on three heavy bolters to that too for an extra 9 S5 shots too.

EDIT: I forgot if the hull can have a heavy bolter. It's either that or something else it can't have and I can't for the life of me remember it off the top of my head.

Breng77 wrote:
Yeah unless conscripts are addressed the Overwatch on a 5+ worries me very much as it doubles their effectiveness in overwatch, with fall back this means chewing through them in combat just got a whole lot more painful.

My guess is conscripts won't have access to the regimental doctrines.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

 crimsondave wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
Oh.
Oh.
Tank Commander Punisher is looking REALLY scary right now.
That thing deletes a squad of infantry outright per turn.

How bout Paskisher for 10 more points? 40 (that's FOURTY) BS2+ S5 shots. Wow. That's an average of 22 saves for T4 infantry, and that's just the Punisher cannon!

If that math is right, bloody hell!

Pardon my language.

I can visualize it now...

A full squad of Ork boys decide to sit in front of a Pask Punished.

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT.

Ork boys get turned into fertilizer.

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
Yeah unless conscripts are addressed the Overwatch on a 5+ worries me very much as it doubles their effectiveness in overwatch, with fall back this means chewing through them in combat just got a whole lot more painful.

My guess is conscripts won't have access to the regimental doctrines.

I agree. It makes no sense based on what they said about the conscript nerf.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
You can tack on three heavy bolters to that too for an extra 9 S5 shots too.

EDIT: I forgot if the hull can have a heavy bolter. It's either that or something else it can't have and I can't for the life of me remember it off the top of my head.

That is just ridiculous.

Ave Imp Guard.

You can tack on three heavy bolters to that too for an extra 9 S5 shots too.

EDIT: I forgot if the hull can have a heavy bolter. It's either that or something else it can't have and I can't for the life of me remember it off the top of my head.

It can have a Heavy B, Lascannon, or Heavy Flamer on the hull. No Plasma on the hull.

 crimsondave wrote:
You can tack on three heavy bolters to that too for an extra 9 S5 shots too.

EDIT: I forgot if the hull can have a heavy bolter. It's either that or something else it can't have and I can't for the life of me remember it off the top of my head.

It can have a Heavy B, Lascannon, or Heavy Flamer on the hull. No Plasma on the hull.

Double shots only applies to the turret weapon.


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Ignoring heavy weapon penalties on leman russes is perfectly reasonable, and I hope baneblades get it too.

In all honesty, the double shots for the leman russ would be pretty reasonable for some turret mounted weapons. The battle cannon, for example, seems fair enough, it was often criticized for its lack of damage output.

But EVERYTHING damn sure didn't deserve double shots, and not for free, but for less.

And how is plasma sniper squads not flying rodent gak bonkers broken? For free no less, I could almost see it being a stratagem, but just an auto-passing order seems stupid OP.

What next, conscripts down to 1PPM and BS3+?

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

 crimsondave wrote:
You can tack on three heavy bolters to that too for an extra 9 S5 shots too.

EDIT: I forgot if the hull can have a heavy bolter. It's either that or something else it can't have and I can't for the life of me remember it off the top of my head.

It can have a Heavy B, Lascannon, or Heavy Flamer on the hull. No Plasma on the hull.

Double shots only applies to the turret weapon.

I know, but it's still 9 more S5 -1 AP shots in addition to the 40 S5 PC shots.

Honestly, this turns out to be Guard fething you hard based on list.

Suspect tanks? Bring loads of AT, because otherwise you DED.
Wait, he brought infantry instead of tanks? You DED.
Expect infantry and he brought tanks? DED.
Take something of everything to be prepared? DED in both cases.

I'm scared.