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Dionysodorus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's amazing how everyone whines about Sniper Scouts for Marines and Sniper Drones yet Rangers, a similar unit, are "the most pointless units in the whole of 8th edition".

Could you point me to a thread here or on reddit or somewhere where more than like one person is complaining about sniper scouts or sniper drones?

Read the pre-Codex stuff. I'm not bothering searching, but those two got whined about quite often.

Amusingly enough though, those Rangers are a great way to counter all those big nasty Conscripts since they allow you to take out the support units that make Conscripts so durable.

Now I could stretch this point out like a conga line of conscripts but I would be treading worn ground at that point.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dionysodorus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's amazing how everyone whines about Sniper Scouts for Marines and Sniper Drones yet Rangers, a similar unit, are "the most pointless units in the whole of 8th edition".

Could you point me to a thread here or on reddit or somewhere where more than like one person is complaining about sniper scouts or sniper drones?

Read the pre-Codex stuff. I'm not bothering searching, but those two got whined about quite often.

Amusingly enough though, those Rangers are a great way to counter all those big nasty Conscripts since they allow you to take out the support units that make Conscripts so durable.

Why do you repeat this?
It was obviously rubbish 3 months ago.
It doesn't work in theory.
It hasn't happened on any tables.
Why argue it?

 Quickjager wrote:
If all LoS blockers were required to be as thick as your skull, you would have a point. But they don't need to be.

Now I could stretch this point out like a conga line of conscripts but I would be treading worn ground at that point.

And there it is, the inevitable moaning about a "conga line of conscripts".

Man I wish I played tables like yours where there's so much scenery you're completely unable to get shots on things.

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's amazing how everyone whines about Sniper Scouts for Marines and Sniper Drones yet Rangers, a similar unit, are "the most pointless units in the whole of 8th edition".

Who complains about Scouts and Drones?

Rangers put out a very small amount of damage for their points, and they barely scratch the characters that they're meant to be designed to kill. They can't make their points back. They are fairly durable, but that's about it.

I don't recall seeing any complaining about snipers in 8th. There's nothing to complain about, they're wasted points. Even the Vindicare Assassin is highly unlikely to ever kill a character, and he's the most powerful sniping unit that I know of.

Tyel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Amusingly enough though, those Rangers are a great way to counter all those big nasty Conscripts since they allow you to take out the support units that make Conscripts so durable.

Why do you repeat this?
It was obviously rubbish 3 months ago.
It doesn't work in theory.
It hasn't happened on any tables.
Why argue it?

For the same reason people repeat the "rubbish" about huge conga lines with commissars that are completely untargetable in all circumstances.

If it's such a problem for you, then maybe the problem isn't the units but the boards you're playing on.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:
If all LoS blockers were required to be as thick as your skull, you would have a point. But they don't need to be.

Now I could stretch this point out like a conga line of conscripts but I would be treading worn ground at that point.

And there it is, the inevitable moaning about a "conga line of conscripts".

Man I wish I played tables like yours where there's so much scenery you're completely unable to get shots on things.

I know right? It means I get shot at less as well! Unlike the plains of Tau Sept B'owling L'anes, I don't get instantly blown up by stuff if I'm careful and I can leverage that LoS to walk the half of my army that can't deepstrike across the board. Then I got the terrain problem of not being able to move very effectively in a straight line. Slows down the game in a good way in the end.

[edit: screw it, not getting in to this argument again, delete this post]

 Kanluwen wrote:

Tyel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Amusingly enough though, those Rangers are a great way to counter all those big nasty Conscripts since they allow you to take out the support units that make Conscripts so durable.

Why do you repeat this?
It was obviously rubbish 3 months ago.
It doesn't work in theory.
It hasn't happened on any tables.
Why argue it?

For the same reason people repeat the "rubbish" about huge conga lines with commissars that are completely untargetable in all circumstances.

If it's such a problem for you, then maybe the problem isn't the units but the boards you're playing on.

Commisars aren't always untargetable but don't pretend they're easy to kill. Math has been provided on that.