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I have really low expections - like, 25% or lower on RT - but definitely will see this anyway. I thought Wonder Woman was terrific so that's a strong selling point for me.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Finally watched Wonder Woman yesterday.

Well, it's definitely the best of the DC stable so far. Sadly, that's not saying much.

Plot was perfectly fine. Supporting actors were good. Gal Gadot however was as wooden as a very wooden thing made out of a wood by Gepetto, except without anyone bringing her to life. Her little speech during the final boss fight? Well, she says words. But it's not acting.

I also found her fight scenes oddly distracting. The whole 'stop dead at every blow' didn't work for me, and when she was up against Poor Stooges, it looked really fake.

I can absolutely see why others think highly of it, but the lead's lack of acting chops, and the dodgy effects ruined the spell for me.

That's not filling me with encouragement for the Justice League, anymore than the amateur looking posters.

Me personally, I would have cast Alexandra Daddario as Wonder Woman. Sadly enough, time has defeated my dream of seeing Michael Weather as Hal Jordan.


I am actually looking forward to this more than I have any of the last few Marvel movies. DC has always been my favorite stomping ground.

 gorgon wrote:


Here's an article from Rotten Tomatoes on the buzz so far...

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/justice-league-buzz-its-not-perfect-but-its-fun-and-entertaining/

Not perfect but fun and entertaining is exactly how I would describe Thor: Ragnarok.

I went in expecting a bit of silliness and action and came away pleasantly surprised. I'd be OK with JL fitting a similar mold.

...I'm hoping for that plus Superman being in at least the last 25% of the movie, and maybe a Green Lantern and/or Shazam end credits scene...

Eric Davis wrote:"Justice League is better than Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad"

As expected, JL steps over the low hurdle, but it's not obviously good, or they'd be saying it's like WW.

...says that one guy.

J.H.D.D. - Confirmation bias?

Are you looking/wanting/hoping that JL is a bomb for some reason?

I'm with KKevin Feige - I want *all* SF/super-hero stuff to be good!

He could just be keeping his expectations low.

I've heard largely, "the movie is a mess but the cast does a great job". I'm very curious to see what comes out of the review embargo, but it sounds like at worst its great characters looking for a better sequel and worth giving a chance.

 Alpharius wrote:
...says that one guy.

J.H.D.D. - Confirmation bias?

Are you looking/wanting/hoping that JL is a bomb for some reason?

I'm with KKevin Feige - I want *all* SF/super-hero stuff to be good!

I see mixed comments, so I'm guessing it's OK. Not terrible, not great.

Given Warner's history with BvS and SS, "not terrible" is actually "good" for a DC film.

Touche!

I'll admit to being happy if it manages to even be 'not terrible' and I'll be positively overjoyed if it can be classified as 'good'!

Truthfully, there isn't a lot of room in the 'team-up' movie for complicated narratives and complex villains. Too much time is necessarily taken up with the characters and their interactions. Look at Avengers. Even though Loki is still the best villain the MCU has to offer, his plan in that movie makes little sense, and this is actually acknowledged *in the script* when Loki and Stark have their conversation in the penthouse.

The early buzz seems to be positive for the characters. If they managed to get that stuff in a good place, they will have gotten at least the most important thing right. It seems like WB also tried to double-down hard on 'crowdpleasing', and if they achieve that, that's important too just to get some more positivity going toward these films.

I'm sure Steppenwolf won't be a satisfying villain just because he was only ever meant to be the herald of you-know-who for the Part 2 of JL that now probably isn't happening. There's a major course correction being made here, and things were bound to get a little sloppy.

 gorgon wrote:
Look at Avengers. Even though Loki is still the best villain the MCU has to offer, his plan in that movie makes little sense, and this is actually acknowledged *in the script* when Loki and Stark have their conversation in the penthouse.

One might argue that Hela is a better villain.

Me, I can't get past "Steppenwolf" as the villain name. I keep snickering, and thinking "Born to be wild!"

 LunarSol wrote:
I've heard largely, "the movie is a mess but the cast does a great job". I'm very curious to see what comes out of the review embargo, but it sounds like at worst its great characters looking for a better sequel and worth giving a chance.

I'd be happy with that. Some of the best parts of good films are just characters hanging out, reacting to each other.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I've heard largely, "the movie is a mess but the cast does a great job". I'm very curious to see what comes out of the review embargo, but it sounds like at worst its great characters looking for a better sequel and worth giving a chance.

I'd be happy with that. Some of the best parts of good films are just characters hanging out, reacting to each other.

Agreed - they even tried to do some of that in Suicide Squad - but just at the wrong time and so it messed with the pacing and plot (well what there was of it).

Am still excited to see JLA after Wonder Woman being so great.... except - oh god just rad that Jesse Eisenberg is going to be polluting the movie with his "interpretation" of Loopy Lex the Joker wannabe- that's a bummer.

 Mr Morden wrote:


Am still excited to see JLA after Wonder Woman being so great.... except - oh god just rad that Jesse Eisenberg is going to be polluting the movie with his "interpretation" of Loopy Lex the Joker wannabe- that's a bummer.

1) Just how old are you?!? You think Jesse Eisenberg's Lex was...rad?!?

2) I haven't read that LEx is in JL at all - where are you seeing that?

Well, the advance screenings have happened, and there are spoilers aplenty out there now, folks. I came across a few without really meaning to, so I'll probably be going semi-'dark' now until Thursday.

Re: Lex, all I'll say is that Morden shouldn't be too concerned.

 Alpharius wrote:
Touche!

I'll admit to being happy if it manages to even be 'not terrible' and I'll be positively overjoyed if it can be classified as 'good'!

I think you'll be happy.

Interestingly, RT is embargoing the aggregate rating for JL. That's strange, but I guess they don't want the number to be skewed by the first, or whipsawing around.

Where are the reviews? It’s out in the UK on Friday, but no reviews?

Tonight - I believe they start to drop...late tonight.

Either that or very early in the morning...tomorrow!

I really hope the early rumblings prove more than ‘well, it’s better than the others’.

Not much of a D.C. fan, but Marvel need a decent competitor to stave off complacency. Then everyone wins.

I'm a huge DC fan overall, but I've never been a huge fan of the League itself. There just aren't enough villains worthy of throwing the big 7 into, so pretty much all of their memorable depictions are "something, something Darkseid". I think the League as a background concept is super important though, as the 1 on 1 pairings of these characters have produced some of the strongest moments for DC by leaning on the extensive history these characters share.

One of the reviews I read said:

The plot is pretty messy but the cast are *amazing* together.

Additionally, the film might actually be a little too... short. The film goes forward at an incredibly fast pace with little pause for breath, sometimes maybe when it'd be better to pause.

Overall, the film is very reminiscent of an episode of the DCAU Justice League cartoon.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Am still excited to see JLA after Wonder Woman being so great.... except - oh god just rad that Jesse Eisenberg is going to be polluting the movie with his "interpretation" of Loopy Lex the Joker wannabe- that's a bummer.

1) Just how old are you?!? You think Jesse Eisenberg's Lex was...rad?!?

2) I haven't read that LEx is in JL at all - where are you seeing that?

Wikipedia entry on JLA

In May 2016, Jeremy Irons confirmed he will appear as Alfred Pennyworth.[10] That same month, Jesse Eisenberg stated that he would reprise his role as Lex Luthor, and in June 2016, he confirmed in an interview with Shortlist magazine of his return.[81][82] In July 2016,

Hopefully he has been cut

Oh and I am very old sadly

 Compel wrote:
One of the reviews I read said:

The plot is pretty messy but the cast are *amazing* together.

Additionally, the film might actually be a little too... short. The film goes forward at an incredibly fast pace with little pause for breath, sometimes maybe when it'd be better to pause.

Overall, the film is very reminiscent of an episode of the DCAU Justice League cartoon.

Sounds good. If they've captured the feel of the old animated stuff then that's pretty much exactly what I want from it. At it's best that show is exhilarating, epic and full of heart and humanity, and a film along those lines is just what the DCEU needs right now.

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm a huge DC fan overall, but I've never been a huge fan of the League itself. There just aren't enough villains worthy of throwing the big 7 into, so pretty much all of their memorable depictions are "something, something Darkseid".

... and Doomsday.

Otherwise, it's Injustice League / dark mirror versions.

Brainiac has been popular as a Justice League villain too when you have him fully resourced. - EG when he has a fleet.

Of course, there's the Legion of Doom as well.

The thing is, the New Gods are just a great set of characters, it'd be daft not to make us of them.

Another option, that Legends of Super Flarrow looks like they're going to approach at some point is Thanagar as the villains, ala "Justice League: Starcrossed."

Trigon and his demons are another good option, though the Titans need to be introduced first likely.

Then you've got the classic things of just: Lex Luthor, Black Adam, Maxwell Lord or Vandal Savage do a really ridiculously grand scale plan that requires the entire league to stop.

I've seen the CW show. Vandal Savage (almost as badly named as "Steppenwolf") can be stopped by a ragtag bunch of C-listers, so Superman would be overkill to defeat him.

Trygon is awesome, only because he's Raven's misunderstood dad.

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm a huge DC fan overall, but I've never been a huge fan of the League itself. There just aren't enough villains worthy of throwing the big 7 into, so pretty much all of their memorable depictions are "something, something Darkseid". I think the League as a background concept is super important though, as the 1 on 1 pairings of these characters have produced some of the strongest moments for DC by leaning on the extensive history these characters share.

I'm surprised that any DC fan would claim that. The JL is widely acknowledged to have a *very rich* rogue's gallery of its own beyond the nemeses of the individual heroes -- Starro, Kanjar Ro, Felix Faust, Royal Flush Gang, Crime Syndicate, Doctor Destiny, The Key, Amazo, Vandal Savage, etc. It's really good for a team concept, and a better RG than certain individual members have, including GL and WW.

And any of those villains would be far more iconic for the JL's first film outing. But again, this movie represents plans gone awry, and so we're left with the appetizer without the main course. *shrug*

I don't expect very good reviews at this point, but I'm going on Thursday and will decide for myself.

 Mr Morden wrote:

In May 2016, Jeremy Irons confirmed he will appear as Alfred Pennyworth.[10] That same month, Jesse Eisenberg stated that he would reprise his role as Lex Luthor, and in June 2016, he confirmed in an interview with Shortlist magazine of his return.[81][82] In July 2016,

Hopefully he has been cut

It will likely be like Michael Shannon (Zod) in BvS - a small cameo that gives a link to the previous movie. Shannon was a corpse, I guess Eisenberg will be in his prison cell, dropping some exposition about what is coming.

Or they’ll have JL break Lex out so he can resurrect Supes.

Remember....Zak Snyder. Nothing is too daft.


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Two reviews so far.

Forbes - enthusiastic.

Telegraph - caustic.

I shall await Den of Geek.