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The early spoilers I'm hearing are so terrible that I am holding off on getting tickets. If they turn out to be true I might even not bother watching it at all.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
trexmeyer wrote: The early spoilers I'm hearing are so terrible that I am holding off on getting tickets. If they turn out to be true I might even not bother watching it at all.
Breotan wrote: I believe the embargo is lifted on Tuesday.
I'm pretty sure that's what Charlie at Emergency Awesome on YouTube said. I've also seen the tweets from the people that attended the premier and they've all been generally good.
I have tickets to an 8:00 show at my local Alamo Drafthouse for this Thursday and I can't wait!
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
It's not MY source. There's stuff on Reddit and a few other sites out there. Including confirmation of spoilers by a user that leaked the entire JL plot quite a bit in advance. IE JL was released worldwide Nov 17? so about 25 days ago. 82 days ago he
Spoiler:
said Batman and the team intentionally bring back Superman and the best action sequence was confirmed Superman vs the team.
It's not MY source. There's stuff on Reddit and a few other sites out there. Including confirmation of spoilers by a user that leaked the entire JL plot quite a bit in advance. IE JL was released worldwide Nov 17? so about 25 days ago. 82 days ago he
Spoiler:
said Batman and the team intentionally bring back Superman and the best action sequence was confirmed Superman vs the team.
Among other things.
Honestly I don't think that's really evidence of anything. It was blatantly obvious that was going to happen, and anyone whose seen enough films/read enough books/is already familiar with all the other times this exact thing happened in the comics could have predicted it would happen and thrown it out there. It's so obvious I challenge that it doesn't even belong in spoilers especially since a certain logo was all over toys and promotional material for the film weeks before it actually hit theaters. I looked at the thread but most of it is just back and forth comments over whether or not the OP is lying and then I stopped scrolling XD
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It's not MY source. There's stuff on Reddit and a few other sites out there. Including confirmation of spoilers by a user that leaked the entire JL plot quite a bit in advance. IE JL was released worldwide Nov 17? so about 25 days ago. 82 days ago he
Spoiler:
said Batman and the team intentionally bring back Superman and the best action sequence was confirmed Superman vs the team.
Among other things.
Honestly I don't think that's really evidence of anything. It was blatantly obvious that was going to happen, and anyone whose seen enough films/read enough books/is already familiar with all the other times this exact thing happened in the comics could have predicted it would happen and thrown it out there. It's so obvious I challenge that it doesn't even belong in spoilers especially since a certain logo was all over toys and promotional material for the film weeks before it actually hit theaters. I looked at the thread but most of it is just back and forth comments over whether or not the OP is lying and then I stopped scrolling XD
He posted this as well...
Spoiler:
ViewerAnon posted this on SHH:
Wonder Woman and Cyborg are pretty similar to Black Widow and Hulk, without the romantic aspect. He's scared of the scope of his powers. He's getting stronger and doesn't know why. When we first meet him in an apartment, he's just learned he can fly for the first time. Diana is a calming presence, convincing him to trust the others and that he can control himself. He's always in conflict, especially when his Kryptonian suit keeps trying to attack Superman on its own.
Set piece 1: The bank scene, where a group of terrorists try to murder men, women, and children. Roose Bolton unloads an automatic rifle on the group (DIANA: They're children. ROOSE: And they always will be.), but she blocks every bullet.
Set piece 1A: Steppenwolf arrives with parademons through a portal and steals the mother box from the Amazonians. They try to play keep away with the box. As each Amazonian dies, she ties the box to an arrow and fires it to the woman in front of her. But Steppenwolf catches it and disappears with the box.
Set piece 1B: Atlantis. Steppenwolf shows up for the mother box. Mera tries to stop him but he throws her against the wall. Steppenwolf disappears with the box just as Aquaman arrives.
Set piece 2: Joe Morton and members of Star Labs are being held hostage by parademons as Steppenwolf searches for the human mother box. This is the first scene with the League together, minus Superman. Flash is freaked out because he's never gone into battle before. Batman tells him just to save one person. "What do I do after that??" "You'll know."
They manage to save the hostages (mainly Flash getting them out), but Steppenwolf overpowers the group. This is happening under Gotham harbor. An explosion causes a cave in and water to come rushing, but Aquaman appears and saves everybody (this is his first scene with the group). The bit from the trailer with Aquaman chuckling at Batman's costume is here, not with the bat signal. Look closely at the ground and you can see he's standing on rock.
Set piece 3: The resurrection of Superman, who is confused and attacks the JL team when they find him again by the broken statue. He grabs Batman ("Tell me... do you bleed?") and throws him into a police car. (There's a funny bit with Batman in pain on the ground saying, "Yeah, something is definitely broken.") Lois appears - Bruce apparently sent for her - and she hugs Clark. He then flies with her to the Kent farm, which has been sold.
Set piece 4: The final battle. Steppenwolf unites the three mother boxes at a nuclear power plant in Russia. The League arrives. He knocks them around. Superman turns up and turns the tide. (At one point, Flash and Superman race to save civilians. Flash gets to a family in a truck and pushes them to safety. He thinks he won, but he looks over and sees Superman is carrying a whole apartment building full of people.)
In the end, Steppenwolf, frightened, is attacked by parademons who kill him (FX were unfinished, but I think they drag him through a portal). His helmet clangs back to the ground.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
2017/12/12 02:21:43
Subject: Re:The new Last Jedi Trailer just premiered
Honestly I could have thrown all that together just from watching the trailers, paying attention to the casting, and then applying basic reasoning. The only thing that lends the guy credibility is if he accurately predicted some of that dialogue. I haven't seen JL, but I think the dialogue would be hard to know before hand through guess work.
Though this does make me want to experiment. No one open this unless you want my guesses maybe ruining the film;
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The "not-Hoth" scene will be the opening of the movie, with the rest of the film as a quasi-chase feature similar to Empire Strikes back because I figure they'll keep running with the rehashing of the original trilogy bit here. By that same bit, Luke will obviously be reluctant to train Rey until some force ghost or something convinces him otherwise. I'd say Poe and Fin go on another excellent adventure but I haven't seen anything in the trailers showing them working together. No idea what Poe will be doing but Fin will clearly go off with a new female character (who totally isn't all over the toys for this film at all) and do something important and there will be in love dodecahedron territory. Maybe retrieve Rey or find something the Resistance needs really badly. At some point Poe will do something stupid but brave again and from the trailers I predict Leia will not be happy with him when he does it. Rey shows back up towards the end, abandoning her training with Luke just like Luke did with Yoda and needs rescuing at some point.
Despite the trailers making it seem like she might I think Leia will survive the film but be resolved in some way to explain why she won't be around in Episode IX. Luke on the other hand, because I can't fathom them actually keeping focus on the new cast so long as he's alive, will die but he'll become one with the force or some such. Probably won't outright kill him cause I don't think they'll do him in like they did Han. He'll give Kylo a good spanking and then just putter out cause he's old or maybe just let it all go because he's ready to not be around anymore. Bit of an Obi-Wan moment but more epic to send off the character.
Given the most recent "Don't let anyone spoil this" trailer which is stupid as feth cause it basically is a spoiler I predict that Kylo and Rey play a little "will they won't they" trying to entice the other to their side. Doesn't work for either of them cause that's just too obvious but they end up in a quasi-alliance at some point cause they gotta keep Kylo from going full evil. I bet Snoke gets beat by the team up and then Rey and Ren go their own ways. Ren ends up advancing to control of the First Order while Rey leaves to join whatever is left of a shattered barely there at all Resistance with things looking somewhat bleak but everyone resolved with hope or some fluffy nonsense like that.
Someone just let me know how much I got right sometime
Voss wrote: The designers were bug people. (Probably). That doesn't mean the people working on the Death Star were- I think you're inventing this confrontational relationship a bit, as the Genosisaisans don't provide an out for the criticism, and nothing really suggests he created them to create that 'out'
In the director's commentary for AotC Lucas said he literally made them bug people to address that particular complaint.
But I do think one of the reasons Star Wars is so popular is because the fans are willing to think about it, and build the universe out of the bones presented on screen. If it were merely enjoyed, there wouldn't be prequels or sequels. It'd be largely forgotten like so many other sci-fi films.
Absolutely. And this is one thing that I will give Lucas credit for - he said he didn't worry too much about plot or story, his focus was to create characters and locations that would inspire kids to take and put in to their own stories. Dude nailed it there, not just with the concept but also with the delivery.
Which is why it shows how wrong he got it when years later he was inventing a bug people race in AotC for the express purpose of shutting down one fan's fun observation of contractors on the Death Star.
Yes, it is a ridiculous argument. It's applying modern war concerns of collateral damage and proportionality to a space opera about rescuing princesses, space wizards and blowing up planet destroying mega weapons. That's why its in a comedy movie. Because it's funny to apply real world logic to fantasy movie.
Which is the point, once Lucas puts his film out there the fans have run with it, taken it in all kinds of directions. Plenty of it was terrible (hands up if you've tried to play a grim dark grey Jedi rpg campaign, because I have and it was not good). But some of it is really fun, and some of it is really funny. But all of it comes out of loving the source material.
Lucas doesn't get that. He did once, because he gave us films that invited us to use his characters and locations to make our own stories, but then he stopped for some reason or another, and instead he started resenting other people finding stuff in his stories that he didn't intend. Bit of a shame.
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Manchu wrote: ANH sufficiently characterizes the protagonists: Luke is a wide-eyed hayseed from nowhere, Han is a smuggler who owes money to a crimelord, Leia is a politician trying to overthrow the Empire. The audience doesn't need exhaustive biographical information. To the contrary, characterization should be concise and direct. Because the point is for the protagonists to have comprehensible, relatable motivations. Contrast these simple, effective characterizations with Blind Kung Fu Man and Mr. Big gun in R1. They are Guardians of the Whills and BKFM, in contrast to his comrade Mr Big Gun, has not lost his faith in the Force. What's a Guardian of the Whills? What are the Whills? What does the Force religion teach?
Exactly. Characterisation isn't about lots of background exposition, its about giving us a character with understandable motivation who approaches the events of the story in their own unique way.
As to the Whills, one draft of Star Wars was originally called "Adventures of the Starkiller as taken from the Journal of the Whills". Which is a quite an achievement as a film title, as not only is it too long somehow every single word of it makes me care less about the movie. Apparently its a book from the Star Wars universe that told the events of Star Wars. Because almost every script at one stage or another gets all meta and does something silly like that before dropping it by the end.
This was a mistake but it wasn't an accident.
That's a really good line and I'm going to steal it.
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Easy E wrote: Only because we are dealing in Archetypes.
Yeah, there is a bit of dialog about leaving the farm and going tot he Academy, but that is about it.
There's Luke looking in off in to distance as the twin suns set, as he dreams of a life in the stars, one of Star Wars best single moments. It's also one of the best bits of character development I've seen, because it not only tells me Luke's motivation, it also makes me want the same thing. That was some great story telling.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
This is my least favorite week in nerddom. Tons of random theories and "comfirmations" and "leaks". Some of which could be true, most of it just trolls trying to get clicks.
I've heard some weird things and am not very good at avoiding spoilers (read: I don't really care to avoid spoilers because even if I know what's going to happen, I still feel its impact). I knew Han was going to die in TFA prior to seeing it, but nothing compares to sitting in the theatre and seeing it for yourself.
I'm pretty good at it - borne of practice from watching The Walking Dead.
Indeed, the only spoiler I managed not to dodge this week has been one for The Walking Dead - thanks to the FB sidebar of 'suggested stories which yet again you in fact have no interest in whatsoever'.
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Seems those Hipsters claiming 'seen it all in the trailers' are wrong, again.
As are those claiming from the trailers it's obvs just a rehash of Empire....
I shall know soon enough!
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The media reviews have got me worried. 4 stars for The Last Jedi
Why is this a concern for me? Because TFA got 5 stars across the board, and that was a burning sack of horsegak of a film, IMO, easily the worst in the franchise.
So, if they're saying that Last Jedi ain't as good as TFA...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
As you get older, you realise that time and money are in short supply.
As a result, I have to carefully pick and choose films, and reliable reviews from trusted sources, can help with the decision making.
Or I can just wait a few months and get a pirate DVD version from someone.
Just kidding, just kidding. support your local copyright laws and give the artists their reward.
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Even if its as crap as The Phantom Menace, its still worth at least one viewing...because its Star Wars.
I've probably said this a hundred times before, but for all its faults, and they are many, Phantom Menance is miles ahead of TFA.
Lucas gave us new landscapes, some pod racing, tried new stuff, a new story, a half-decent score, which resulted in PM having the Star Wars 'feel' in a way that TFA never did.
Phantom's heart was in the right place, it was poor execution that let it down.
TFA in comparision, is a souless, rehashed, travesty of a film, dreamed up by a Disney committee with the soul aim of squeezing every last penny out of the public, for as long as they can.
I won't deny I've enjoyed SW in the past, but these days I couldn't really care that much for it, so why am I posting about it, comes the obvious reply.
Because it;s everywhere, and it's infested our media and popular culture to an unhealthy degree.
I pick up The Times, a once serious British newspaper, and I expect serious analysis on world politics, economics etc etc
and what do I get? Bloody Star Wars!
I turn on the TV for BBC news, a once serious and respected news outlet. We're sorry to interupt our report on the war in Yemen. Who cares if kids are dying, who cares about geo-politics.
There's a man dressed like Darth fething Vader, and he's been standing outside this cinema for 3 weeks to see the new SW film, and he got there by pushing a full-scale replica of a Tie-fighter, 10,000 miles from the south pole, or some other fething horsegak like that!
Everywhere I go, everything I read, or watch, even when I'm avoiding it, it's Star Wars, bloody Star wars!
Rant over! and good luck to anybody else who likes it. It's clearly not for me anymore!
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2017/12/13 01:09:34
Subject: Re:The new Last Jedi Trailer just premiered
Posting the spoilers here just so that when it comes out we can all check back and see if what I heard is actually true.
Spoiler:
Are you sure you want to?
Rey's parents are random junkers who abandoned her because FO was hunting down force sensitive children. Sees this in a vision with Ren?
Rey is captured and tortured by Snoke. Kylo Ren intervenes, kills Snoke (apparently) and the two fight off Snoke's guards to escape. No backstory on Snoke. Ren goes to be the leader/Emperor of the First Order basically.
Luke initially refuses to train Rey, finally concedes. Rey leaves to help the Resistance and Luke stays behind. Luke later has to reconnect with the Force to help her and somehow "projects" himself across the galaxy to help the Resistance escape Ren's onslaught. He does, but collapses from the effort. Back on Acht-To Luke seemingly weeps joyously after having regained his faith and vanishes a la Obi-Wan and Yoda.
Finn beats up Phasma and throws her off a ledge.
I believe Leia is reported to not die.
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The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
Everywhere I go, everything I read, or watch, even when I'm avoiding it, it's Star Wars, bloody Star wars!
If it makes you feel better, your two princes are apparently in the film as stormtroopers.
Ok, so that probably won't make you feel better. But all it co-opted was a very boring report by some scientists who sort of claim that most yeti sightings are probably bears (according to hair samples), but that doesn't mean they're going to rule out the existence of actual yetis.
Thanks, BBC America!
