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2017/11/01 12:28:07
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Evidently all of Hollywood harassed all of Hollywood at one point.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/11/01 12:36:49
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Bran Dawri wrote: So, how long until the first accusations from the music industry are going to break?
With all its similarities to the movie industry, I cannot imagine circumstances are very different there.
If anything, I expect it to be worse. It was an open secret in the 80's that female musicians were expected to service the record label producers of they wanted any chance of a career.
Groped a director.
Flashed a bartender
Preyed on actors whilst at the Old Vic.
Spoiler:
New allegations have emerged from a number of men accusing Kevin Spacey of sexual misconduct.
US filmmaker Tony Montana claims he was groped by the actor in a Los Angeles bar in 2003.
Montana says he was left with PTSD for six months after he claims Spacey "forcefully" grabbed his crotch.
It follows an allegation made by Anthony Rapp that the House of Cards actor tried to "seduce" him when he was 14 years old.
Kevin Spacey says he has no recollection of that encounter, and was "beyond horrified".
Film director Montana told Radar Online that he was in his thirties when the incident took place at the Coronet Bar in LA.
He says he removed Spacey's hand from his crotch and walked away, but claims the actor later followed him into the men's toilets.
'Routinely preyed'
Incidents regarding Spacey are also alleged to have taken place in the UK while the two-time Oscar winner was the artistic director at the Old Vic in London between 2004 and 2015.
Mexican actor Roberto Cavazos, who acted in several plays at the theatre, claims Spacey "routinely preyed" on young male actors.
"It seems the only requirement was to be a male under the age of 30 for Mr Spacey to feel free to touch us," he wrote in a Facebook post.
He said he fended off two "unpleasant" advances from Spacey that "bordered on harassment," but that others were afraid to do so.
"There are a lot of us who have a 'Kevin Spacey story'," says Cavazos.
The Old Vic has set up a confidential complaints process for anyone connected to the 200-year-old theatre to come forward.
It said in a statement: "We aim to foster a safe and supportive environment without prejudice, harassment or bullying of any sort, at any level."
'Seedy and a bit weird'
Separately, a British man claims Kevin Spacey exposed himself to him in 2010, when he was working at a hotel in West Sussex.
Speaking to the Sun, Daniel Beal alleges the Usual Suspects star flashed his private parts, saying: "It's big, isn't it?" and tried to get the then 19-year-old to touch him.
Netflix suspends production of sixth series of House of Cards
Spacey's special Emmy award withdrawn
Why are people angry about Kevin Spacey coming out?
The former bartender claims Spacey also invited him up to his room, but he rejected the star's advances.
Beal says Spacey gave him his £5,000 watch later that same evening, and a few weeks later called him asking to meet up.
He told the Sun: "In hindsight, that must have been grooming. He was just like his character in House Of Cards - seedy and a bit weird."
'Either stupid or predatory'
The BBC has also uncovered allegations of sexual misconduct against Spacey by a man who claims he was harassed by the star in the mid-1980s.
The man, who wanted to remain anonymous, says he met the star at theatre school before being invited to New York by him, when he was 17 years old.
Speaking to the Victoria Derbyshire programme, the man (who they've called John), says despite sleeping on the star's sofa he woke up fully clothed with Spacey lying on him, in his underwear.
John, who still works in the entertainment industry, said Spacey again became "affectionate" the second night he was in the city.
"I burst into tears because I couldn't articulate any more what was happening to me. I was scared... To his credit, he backed off and we went to sleep."
Reflecting on his experience, John says: "It seems he was grooming me. For me, I never let on that that's what I was interested in. I never discussed it, nor did I want it.
John points out neither of them drank any alcohol that weekend.
"He was either very stupid or he was predatory - or maybe a little of both. I was uncomfortable at best, traumatised at worst, emotionally.
John says he didn't tell the authorities or his parents at the time, although he has since told friends.
Kevin, I think you may have a few issues to deal with my friend. I don't think being gay is one of them.
2017/11/01 19:12:21
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/11/01 19:46:35
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Groped a director.
Flashed a bartender
Preyed on actors whilst at the Old Vic.
Spoiler:
New allegations have emerged from a number of men accusing Kevin Spacey of sexual misconduct.
US filmmaker Tony Montana claims he was groped by the actor in a Los Angeles bar in 2003.
Montana says he was left with PTSD for six months after he claims Spacey "forcefully" grabbed his crotch.
It follows an allegation made by Anthony Rapp that the House of Cards actor tried to "seduce" him when he was 14 years old.
Kevin Spacey says he has no recollection of that encounter, and was "beyond horrified".
Film director Montana told Radar Online that he was in his thirties when the incident took place at the Coronet Bar in LA.
He says he removed Spacey's hand from his crotch and walked away, but claims the actor later followed him into the men's toilets.
'Routinely preyed'
Incidents regarding Spacey are also alleged to have taken place in the UK while the two-time Oscar winner was the artistic director at the Old Vic in London between 2004 and 2015.
Mexican actor Roberto Cavazos, who acted in several plays at the theatre, claims Spacey "routinely preyed" on young male actors.
"It seems the only requirement was to be a male under the age of 30 for Mr Spacey to feel free to touch us," he wrote in a Facebook post.
He said he fended off two "unpleasant" advances from Spacey that "bordered on harassment," but that others were afraid to do so.
"There are a lot of us who have a 'Kevin Spacey story'," says Cavazos.
The Old Vic has set up a confidential complaints process for anyone connected to the 200-year-old theatre to come forward.
It said in a statement: "We aim to foster a safe and supportive environment without prejudice, harassment or bullying of any sort, at any level."
'Seedy and a bit weird'
Separately, a British man claims Kevin Spacey exposed himself to him in 2010, when he was working at a hotel in West Sussex.
Speaking to the Sun, Daniel Beal alleges the Usual Suspects star flashed his private parts, saying: "It's big, isn't it?" and tried to get the then 19-year-old to touch him.
Netflix suspends production of sixth series of House of Cards
Spacey's special Emmy award withdrawn
Why are people angry about Kevin Spacey coming out?
The former bartender claims Spacey also invited him up to his room, but he rejected the star's advances.
Beal says Spacey gave him his £5,000 watch later that same evening, and a few weeks later called him asking to meet up.
He told the Sun: "In hindsight, that must have been grooming. He was just like his character in House Of Cards - seedy and a bit weird."
'Either stupid or predatory'
The BBC has also uncovered allegations of sexual misconduct against Spacey by a man who claims he was harassed by the star in the mid-1980s.
The man, who wanted to remain anonymous, says he met the star at theatre school before being invited to New York by him, when he was 17 years old.
Speaking to the Victoria Derbyshire programme, the man (who they've called John), says despite sleeping on the star's sofa he woke up fully clothed with Spacey lying on him, in his underwear.
John, who still works in the entertainment industry, said Spacey again became "affectionate" the second night he was in the city.
"I burst into tears because I couldn't articulate any more what was happening to me. I was scared... To his credit, he backed off and we went to sleep."
Reflecting on his experience, John says: "It seems he was grooming me. For me, I never let on that that's what I was interested in. I never discussed it, nor did I want it.
John points out neither of them drank any alcohol that weekend.
"He was either very stupid or he was predatory - or maybe a little of both. I was uncomfortable at best, traumatised at worst, emotionally.
John says he didn't tell the authorities or his parents at the time, although he has since told friends.
Kevin, I think you may have a few issues to deal with my friend. I don't think being gay is one of them.
Doesn't surprise me. It's right in line with the stories I've been told about him.
Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
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2017/11/01 20:16:35
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
2017/11/01 20:36:23
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
His early work was but his work the last decade or so has been pretty bad. Of course I never liked David Lynch either and everyone else in film school wanted to give him a handy j in the worst way so I may not be the one ask about it.
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
2017/11/01 21:30:33
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
2017/11/01 22:22:52
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
One doesn’t be invalidate the other but they are inseparable. Polanski the film maker and Polanski the rapist are the same person you can’t have on without the other. Being a rapist doesn’t make him a bad director and being a great filmmaker doesn’t mean it’s ok for him to rape a girl but the Oscar was given to Polanski the person and that includes the good and the bad. The Producers Guild of America has banned Weinstein for life and it’s got nothing to do with Miramax movies it’s all about the organization not wanting to associate with a sexual predator, no amount of award worthy movies he produced can wash that stink off of him. The Academy decided that Polanski’s actions as a rapist weren’t enough to discourage them from giving him an Oscar and that’s their choice but they still decided that laudin a movie was more important than disassociating from a man who raped a child.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur
2017/11/01 22:31:21
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Ahtman wrote: His early work was but his work the last decade or so has been pretty bad. Of course I never liked David Lynch either and everyone else in film school wanted to give him a handy j in the worst way so I may not be the one ask about it.
Speaking of, have there been any allegations made against Lynch? I know he has a reputation as liking the ladies, but I'm really hoping he's in the clear on all this. Twin Peaks is one of my favorite TV shows of all time.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
2017/11/01 22:31:40
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
One doesn’t be invalidate the other but they are inseparable. Polanski the film maker and Polanski the rapist are the same person you can’t have on without the other. Being a rapist doesn’t make him a bad director and being a great filmmaker doesn’t mean it’s ok for him to rape a girl but the Oscar was given to Polanski the person and that includes the good and the bad. The Producers Guild of America has banned Weinstein for life and it’s got nothing to do with Miramax movies it’s all about the organization not wanting to associate with a sexual predator, no amount of award worthy movies he produced can wash that stink off of him. The Academy decided that Polanski’s actions as a rapist weren’t enough to discourage them from giving him an Oscar and that’s their choice but they still decided that laudin a movie was more important than disassociating from a man who raped a child.
Sorry, I'm confused. If one doesn't invalidate the other then what's the issue with recognizing that this despicable rapist is a outstanding director?
I'm even more confused about how France is a safe haven for American criminals. Uncle Sam can't say, "Hey, Francis! A rapist of ours is in Paris, can we have him back?"
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
2017/11/01 22:32:46
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
You miss the point.
2017/11/01 23:23:44
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
You miss the point.
Is the point, "Hollywood Libtards are Hypocrites?" Because that's not a great point.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
2017/11/01 23:28:47
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
One doesn’t be invalidate the other but they are inseparable. Polanski the film maker and Polanski the rapist are the same person you can’t have on without the other. Being a rapist doesn’t make him a bad director and being a great filmmaker doesn’t mean it’s ok for him to rape a girl but the Oscar was given to Polanski the person and that includes the good and the bad. The Producers Guild of America has banned Weinstein for life and it’s got nothing to do with Miramax movies it’s all about the organization not wanting to associate with a sexual predator, no amount of award worthy movies he produced can wash that stink off of him. The Academy decided that Polanski’s actions as a rapist weren’t enough to discourage them from giving him an Oscar and that’s their choice but they still decided that laudin a movie was more important than disassociating from a man who raped a child.
Sorry, I'm confused. If one doesn't invalidate the other then what's the issue with recognizing that this despicable rapist is a outstanding director?
I'm even more confused about how France is a safe haven for American criminals. Uncle Sam can't say, "Hey, Francis! A rapist of ours is in Paris, can we have him back?"
Nope. He's French, and France doesn't have to extradite it's own citizens to the US if it doesn't want to.
It's not popular, but he seems to be pretty popular with the French government.
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2017/11/01 23:37:17
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Ahtman wrote: His early work was but his work the last decade or so has been pretty bad. Of course I never liked David Lynch either and everyone else in film school wanted to give him a handy j in the worst way so I may not be the one ask about it.
Speaking of, have there been any allegations made against Lynch? I know he has a reputation as liking the ladies, but I'm really hoping he's in the clear on all this. Twin Peaks is one of my favorite TV shows of all time.
The daughter denies it and it seemed like just babble anyways, and Anderson may be a bit of a nut so whatever. I also hope he is clean, he strikes me as the guy to be more into attractive adult women though and not a pedo.
2017/11/01 23:40:38
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
One doesn’t be invalidate the other but they are inseparable. Polanski the film maker and Polanski the rapist are the same person you can’t have on without the other. Being a rapist doesn’t make him a bad director and being a great filmmaker doesn’t mean it’s ok for him to rape a girl but the Oscar was given to Polanski the person and that includes the good and the bad. The Producers Guild of America has banned Weinstein for life and it’s got nothing to do with Miramax movies it’s all about the organization not wanting to associate with a sexual predator, no amount of award worthy movies he produced can wash that stink off of him. The Academy decided that Polanski’s actions as a rapist weren’t enough to discourage them from giving him an Oscar and that’s their choice but they still decided that laudin a movie was more important than disassociating from a man who raped a child.
Sorry, I'm confused. If one doesn't invalidate the other then what's the issue with recognizing that this despicable rapist is a outstanding director?
I'm even more confused about how France is a safe haven for American criminals. Uncle Sam can't say, "Hey, Francis! A rapist of ours is in Paris, can we have him back?"
Nope. He's French, and France doesn't have to extradite it's own citizens to the US if it doesn't want to.
It's not popular, but he seems to be pretty popular with the French government.
Oh man, I can't believe I didn't consider that he might not be American.
I'd like to think that if France convicted Wayne Gretzky* of drugging and raping a teenager, and he fled back to Canada, we'd be all, Ah, hey, no bud, back to France with ya pal, sorry, eh. Thanks for all the highlight goals though, and beauty tape to tape passing."
*Greatest ice hockey player of all time and Canadian national treasure
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
2017/11/01 23:46:19
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Bran Dawri wrote: So, how long until the first accusations from the music industry are going to break?
With all its similarities to the movie industry, I cannot imagine circumstances are very different there.
Or what about theater, musicals and ballet? I know someone who wanted to become a ballet dancer. He has exactly the same kind of stories. To advance is not just a matter of talent, but just as much a matter of letting yourself get touched by the right people.
It is really sad, but is there really a thing we can do about this kind of business? Not unless we massively shake up the way these industries work I think.
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2017/11/02 01:17:38
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
You miss the point.
Is the point, "Hollywood Libtards are Hypocrites?" Because that's not a great point.
I've never used the term libtard, since I think it's moronic, neither am I singling out liberals. The point is pretty solid, though.
2017/11/02 01:46:41
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Relapse wrote: Interesting that they gave Roman Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation not many years ago.
Do you contend that Polanski's work is not Oscar-worthy?
I'm not argurining about his work, but about how he seemed to get a pass by Hollywood. guess you never heard about the 13 year old he raped or that he fled to France to escape punishment. Yet we have a roomful of people giving him a standing ovation years later. His career didn't seem to skip a beat, despite his predations of children.i
Polanski's deplorable personal life is as famous as his acclaimed professional work. Yes, he should have been put in jail back in 1977, and why France was willing to harbour a rapist I don't understand.
But that didn't happen, and he was free to create some pretty universally-lauded films. I think it is possible to admire someone's work while recognizing that person is a vile human being.
One doesn’t be invalidate the other but they are inseparable. Polanski the film maker and Polanski the rapist are the same person you can’t have on without the other. Being a rapist doesn’t make him a bad director and being a great filmmaker doesn’t mean it’s ok for him to rape a girl but the Oscar was given to Polanski the person and that includes the good and the bad. The Producers Guild of America has banned Weinstein for life and it’s got nothing to do with Miramax movies it’s all about the organization not wanting to associate with a sexual predator, no amount of award worthy movies he produced can wash that stink off of him. The Academy decided that Polanski’s actions as a rapist weren’t enough to discourage them from giving him an Oscar and that’s their choice but they still decided that laudin a movie was more important than disassociating from a man who raped a child.
Sorry, I'm confused. If one doesn't invalidate the other then what's the issue with recognizing that this despicable rapist is a outstanding director?
I'm even more confused about how France is a safe haven for American criminals. Uncle Sam can't say, "Hey, Francis! A rapist of ours is in Paris, can we have him back?"
Because it’s the same person, the Academy lauded a rapist when they lauded a great director and not everyone is going to agree that great moviemaking is worthwhile enough to give an award to a rapist.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur
2017/11/02 02:46:50
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Mr. Burning wrote: More accusations regarding Kevin Spacey are surfacing.
Yeah, like a lot of people I originally focused on Spacey's weirdly timed coming out announcement. But reading his statement again on the actual incident is damning. It basically says 'I don't remember that but it sounds like something I'd do'. Which says he did stuff like that a lot.
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welshhoppo wrote: Nope. He's French, and France doesn't have to extradite it's own citizens to the US if it doesn't want to.
It's not popular, but he seems to be pretty popular with the French government.
The other part in all this that's very important is Polanski got absolutely rail roaded by the US courts. Basically he was offered a sweetheart plea deal for time served and so he pled guilty expecting to only get time served. But then word got back to him that the judge wasn't going to honour the plea and was instead going give a much more extreme sentence.
I've got no sympathy of Polanski because, you know, he raped a child, but that's not justice and most countries wouldn't return their citizens in those circumstances.
I mean, just imagine if Polanski was a US citizen who'd broken bail and come home to the US. Does anyone think the US would be in favour of sending him back, after he only admitted guilt because of a sweetheart plea deal that the foreign court then chose to ignore?
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
