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 Frazzled wrote:

No US politics please, even about weirdoes wearing Western cowboy hats.


Good reminder.

Louis CK responds to the accusations. "It's all true"

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 sebster wrote:

 Galas wrote:
One could expect that those people, having as much fame and power as they have, shouldn't need to do this kind of things to have sex.

Probably they could have all the women they want, willingly. But I suppose the feeling of forcing yourself on the basis of pure power is too ecstatic.


For the longest time I heard that mantra that rape wasn't about sex, it was about power. I always accepted this, but I'm not sure I really understood it. I think I understand it now.



As with all things, it's always about power: who has it, who doesn't, and what you can do with it. In instances like this, the message being sent is "I don't just have the power to have any woman, I have the power to take you."

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 Grey Templar wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
I'm sure Murdoch will defend moore long enough so moore can vote to lower his taxes.


Last night Hannity defended the relationship between a man in his 30s and a 14 year old child as "consensual", while interviewing a contributor who claimed actual victims of sexual assault and harassment are "few and far between"; so there really is no point in having this discussion, honestly. Roy Moore is 100% still going to be elected and you're still going to have plenty of defense of him because that's who we are now, so there really is no productive debate to be had there.

Obviously it started from a political place, as you note, and in fact I did very early on as well: certainly the much more widely known Bill O'Reilly had no thread started for him. However, both this thread and the topic have kind of evolved. It's not even really about Weinstein anymore.



We? No. That might be how you are, and way to many others, but it will never be my position.

I've seen how the thread has evolved, which is why I added in moore, so we can see the contrast on how those accused are treated. The two sides are in no way comparable on the subject.

the left ostracizes and rejects them, the right defends and welcomes them.


Yeah, no.

Both political sides will defend/turn a blind eye to someone when its convenient. Harvy Wienstein for instance. The various people he donated to on the Left were happy to take his money even though his behavior was basically common knowledge. Everybody knew about it. It was only once it blew up like this that they decided to drop him, and you should note they still kept his money.


That's exactly right.

It's exactly the same with this Moore guy, except that once his behaviour became common knowledge, rather than drop him, he has been defended strenuously by the Republicans.

Apart from that, he and Weinstein have been through the exact same process.

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So far he said he didn’t do anything, but if he was “romantically pursuing” a teenage girl he would have gotten her parents consent, but he doesn’t remember any teenagers.

State Reps want the accusers persecuted. And the worst defense so far from some in the State leadership is “old guys hooked up with young girls in the Bible all the time, so what’s the big deal. Jesus was born to a teenage mom marrying an old guy, so why are people upset?”
   
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 Vaktathi wrote:
. It's probably the most contrite and sincere sounding apology of any in this whole sordid affair, accepting personal responsibility with minimal deflection and no attempts to dispute accusers stories or shame them. It will be interesting to see how it turns out for him, and if it will change anything for anyone else.


One of the entertainment blogs I read asked if an apology is really meaningful if he never says the word "sorry" or "apology", and they ran with that headline so it poisoned the whole way I then read the statement


sirlynchmob wrote:
also there's this current moore guy.

You don't see people claiming the bible says what wienstein did was ok, unlike moore.



That's just what they opened with. Today, they're calling for his accusers to be criminally prosecuted.

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Looks like George Takei has been added to the list now.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-model-1981-1056698

A pretty detailed story, with accusations of being drugged as well.

It's so hard to tell with stuff like this. It's really just one word versus another.

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 djones520 wrote:
Looks like George Takei has been added to the list now.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-model-1981-1056698

A pretty detailed story, with accusations of being drugged as well.

It's so hard to tell with stuff like this. It's really just one word versus another.



Well, I wasn't expecting that.

But I'm not surprised, at this rate I wouldn't bat an eye if someone comes forward to accuse Bob Ross of rape.

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 djones520 wrote:
Looks like George Takei has been added to the list now.


Well, I was wrong. I thought Louis CK was going to be the most disappointing one.

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Make sure to remember these events the next time someone claims that rape and sexual abuse mainly is a problem among immigrants and that there's no "domestic" rape culture. This gak is everywhere. It permeates society from top to bottom. Wherever there is power there's gakbags ready to abuse that power to hurt others.

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Just in case someone isn't taking this seriously yet...

Ellen Page has just written an article that, well, I'd probably want to paste in but it's rather heavy and might break some dakka rules...

https://www.facebook.com/EllenPage/posts/10155212835577449

Seriously though, people should read it.
   
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Make sure to remember these events the next time someone claims that rape and sexual abuse mainly is a problem among immigrants and that there's no "domestic" rape culture. This gak is everywhere. It permeates society from top to bottom. Wherever there is power there's gakbags ready to abuse that power to hurt others.


And he lives in Sweden, which I seem to recall is the rape capita .. err oh hang on


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 Ouze wrote:
Obviously it started from a political place, as you note, and in fact I did very early on as well: certainly the much more widely known Bill O'Reilly had no thread started for him. However, both this thread and the topic have kind of evolved. It's not even really about Weinstein anymore.


The thread has certainly evolved, but I don't think there's any way to ignore the obvious political gaming going on in how the subject is being reported. It's not really feasible to discuss the twisted way Fox News is approaching accusations of sexual misconduct without pointing out that the network's reporting is driven completely by its political identity (which is where I point out I'm amazed no one has brought up the whole "legitimate rape" thing, but I guess others are better at segregating their brains than me).

I think people only care about power and abuse when it suits them, and if there's going to be a positive discussion of that there's no way around the blatant political edge the story took on very quickly after breaking and how that continues to effect the national discussion of Weinsein and others in news media. In that regard Roy Moore is a rather depressing example of society's hypocrisy in regards to power and abuse are on full display because I think you're completely right Ouze. He's going to win anyway. We as a society will have a debate amongst ourselves what it means to like someone's movies after finding out their a sleaze bag, but we will at best only offer a cursory mention of how hundreds of thousands or millions of people will vote for a sleaze bag and put him in political office because we all know he's going to win anyway and realize it's pointless. In that way Ellen Page's bit posted by Compel is very apt, because either we care about this issue everywhere or we really don't care at all, which is exactly why when this all blows over everyone will go back to not caring that some famous person in a hotel somewhere is fondling someone less famous, until it suddenly suits someone to care.

The "change" everyone keeps hoping for was dead before it had a chance to occur, because the story only blew up in the first place not because anyone wanted change but because someone realized they could gain by taking one sleaze back and smearing everyone and everything that sleaze bag had ever done, talked to, or been associated with with his sleaze. Change has to happen at the roots, and at our roots I think we still don't really care because I don't see much of a discussion about the hypocrisy the story itself represents; the use reduction of victimization to a game of political tit for tat.

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I think it's less that we're compartmentalising it and more that we're consciously trying to avoid going into the 'American Politics' sphere because this all, as a whole, really needs to be discussed and the thread getting locked doesn't help that discussion.

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 Ouze wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Looks like George Takei has been added to the list now.


Well, I was wrong. I thought Louis CK was going to be the most disappointing one.

Same. At least Louis CK is facing the music honestly.

Now I'm bracing myself for stories on Shatner and Lemoy...

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Shatner always seemed like a pretty terrible person from his twitter feed anyway...
   
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 Ouze wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Looks like George Takei has been added to the list now.


Well, I was wrong. I thought Louis CK was going to be the most disappointing one.

George Takei has responded on social media:
George Takei wrote:Friends,
I'm writing to respond to the accusations made by Scott R. Brunton. I want to assure you all that I am as shocked and bewildered at these claims as you must feel reading them.
The events he describes back in the 1980s simply did not occur, and I do not know why he has claimed them now. I have wracked my brain to ask if I remember Mr. Brunton, and I cannot say I do. But I do take these claims very seriously, and I wanted to provide my response thoughtfully and not out of the moment.
Right now it is a he said / he said situation, over alleged events nearly 40 years ago. But those that know me understand that non-consensual acts are so antithetical to my values and my practices, the very idea that someone would accuse me of this is quite personally painful.
Brad, who is 100 percent beside me on this, as my life partner of more than 30 years and now my husband, stands fully by my side. I cannot tell you how vital it has been to have his unwavering support and love in these difficult times.
Thanks to many of you for all the kind words and trust. It means so much to us.
Yours in gratitude,
George

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 Ouze wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
I'm sure Murdoch will defend moore long enough so moore can vote to lower his taxes.


Last night Hannity defended the relationship between a man in his 30s and a 14 year old child as "consensual", while interviewing a contributor who claimed actual victims of sexual assault and harassment are "few and far between"; so there really is no point in having this discussion, honestly. Roy Moore is 100% still going to be elected and you're still going to have plenty of defense of him because that's who we are now, so there really is no productive debate to be had there.

Obviously it started from a political place, as you note, and in fact I did very early on as well: certainly the much more widely known Bill O'Reilly had no thread started for him. However, both this thread and the topic have kind of evolved. It's not even really about Weinstein anymore.


It still *is* about Weinstein... and anyone else of the like.

I just watched a replay of the segment of that Hannity segment. The consensual part he was referring to the 17/18 yo and as to the 14 yo, Moore had a very tepid response. Frankly, that Hannity interview should sink Moore.

Anyway, I think your overall point can be distilled to as "Political Tribalisms" at it's worst. It's a freaking repeat of the Clinton allegations in the 90's.

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 Ouze wrote:
I don't think this is true, to be honest. I suspect partisanship is strong enough that if the exact same thing happened on the left, you'd see a similar circling of the wagons, because I think that's a feature of US culture. I'm not doing a "both sides are bad" appeal to moderation, so much as an observation that in the US, in 2017, political tribalism seems to trump all other values at this point and I have no real reason to think it's a right-wing phenomenon.

While the specific left/right angle is just a sure way to a political poop fling and a lock, it would be better, and certainly more on-topic to discuss how media organizations like Fox etc protect serial harassers so long as they are useful.


You have a point to an extent, afterall the left covered for Bill Clinton, and looked to minimise his escapades as just being a blow job etc. Except it is not okay to pursue sex with people much lower in power, and there's probably no greater power differential on earth than the president compared to an intern. And the Paula Jones account is really not at all different to what Weinstein did - she was an Arkansas employee who was taken up to his room apparently for work, only for Clinton to then attempt to pressure her in to sex.

So I think on an individual partisan level you are probably correct. But individual partisans are only a small part of politics, large organisations drive most of what happens. Right now FOX and Breitbart are running tightly focused editorial content that is specifically aimed to minimise the allegations against Moore and turn it in to just another part of the culture war - its not a coincidence that Moore's defense specifically claims this is just a political attack because it comes from WaPo, which is also the exact attack being made by Breitbart. In contrast, Weinstein wasn't defended by any media on the left, in fact it was the NYT and New Yorker that broke the story.

There are differences and they need to be understood and thought about. Not for the sake of one side of politics or the other wining a point, but because it shows the difference in cultures and structures that leads to victims being pressured in to silence, compared to those that allow and even support victims who speak out.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, no.

Both political sides will defend/turn a blind eye to someone when its convenient. Harvy Wienstein for instance. The various people he donated to on the Left were happy to take his money even though his behavior was basically common knowledge. Everybody knew about it. It was only once it blew up like this that they decided to drop him, and you should note they still kept his money.


That's a claim that's been made a lot, and it's basically junk. It was reportedly known in certain circles in Hollywood, but not outside of that. Malia Obama interned for Weinstein, for god's sake.


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 djones520 wrote:
Looks like George Takei has been added to the list now.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-model-1981-1056698

A pretty detailed story, with accusations of being drugged as well.

It's so hard to tell with stuff like this. It's really just one word versus another.


I'm not sure it is ever just one word vs another. There's a lot we can look at to make a pretty reasonable guess about the truthfulness of the claims. Is there just one accuser, or several? How much of the accuser's story fits with what can be verified? Does the accused attempt to dispute the details of the claims, or just deny and vilify the accuser?

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Make sure to remember these events the next time someone claims that rape and sexual abuse mainly is a problem among immigrants and that there's no "domestic" rape culture. This gak is everywhere. It permeates society from top to bottom. Wherever there is power there's gakbags ready to abuse that power to hurt others.


This must be a Sweden specific comment. I literally don't know what the feth you are talking about.

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 d-usa wrote:
So far he said he didn’t do anything, but if he was “romantically pursuing” a teenage girl he would have gotten her parents consent, but he doesn’t remember any teenagers.

State Reps want the accusers persecuted. And the worst defense so far from some in the State leadership is “old guys hooked up with young girls in the Bible all the time, so what’s the big deal. Jesus was born to a teenage mom marrying an old guy, so why are people upset?”


Well if we're going to talk about politicians, I agree with D-usa here, this is the 8th level of crazy. COme on Alabama, you're embarrassing yourself now.


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The point being, male and father of Weiner Dogs, you wouldn't.


Er...what?

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I've never heard the term Milkshake Duck before. That's a good learning point and I think it's an excellent description of this kind of post hoc regret regarding someone you admired who turns out to have feet of clay.

When it comes to revising someone's history and works, should we stop watching a film or reading a book by someone who turns out to have been an abuser?

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I've seen that discussion quite often (for example, relating to Lovecraft and his racism). While, ultimately it's up to someones own personal viewpoints and whether they are able to enjoy a piece of work independently of its creators, the general conclusion I've seen people come to is, while, yes it can be ok, there is still an onus and responsibility to acknowledge the creators flaws and to educate oneself about them and the possible influences it bears on their work.

Going back to the Lovecraft example, in the context of my previous paragraph, it's fair to enjoy his stories, to enjoy 'Call of Cthulhu' and all the things that have since spun out of this source but a person also needs to realise that these stories about the 'fear and terror' of the outsiders are ultimately about Lovecraft's fear of people who looked different from him.

Although, when dealing with this and people who are still alive, one should probably factor in the consideration of the ramifications of one continuing to fund such a person and therefore taking responsibility for that choice, and the continued impact on ones victims...

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 Frazzled wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Make sure to remember these events the next time someone claims that rape and sexual abuse mainly is a problem among immigrants and that there's no "domestic" rape culture. This gak is everywhere. It permeates society from top to bottom. Wherever there is power there's gakbags ready to abuse that power to hurt others.


This must be a Sweden specific comment. I literally don't know what the feth you are talking about.


Because when these types of discussions come up, Sweden is often accused of being the rape capitol of the world (due to some dishonest interpretation of the statistics), so other counties must be just fine by comparison.

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I've seen that discussion quite often (for example, relating to Lovecraft and his racism). While, ultimately it's up to someones own personal viewpoints and whether they are able to enjoy a piece of work independently of its creators, the general conclusion I've seen people come to is, while, yes it can be ok, there is still an onus and responsibility to acknowledge the creators flaws and to educate oneself about them and the possible influences it bears on their work.

Going back to the Lovecraft example, in the context of my previous paragraph, it's fair to enjoy his stories, to enjoy 'Call of Cthulhu' and all the things that have since spun out of this source but a person also needs to realise that these stories about the 'fear and terror' of the outsiders are ultimately about Lovecraft's fear of people who looked different from him.

Although, when dealing with this and people who are still alive, one should probably factor in the consideration of the ramifications of one continuing to fund such a person and therefore taking responsibility for that choice, and the continued impact on ones victims...


While a good point, I'm not sure Lovecraft's attitudes are a good comparison. Much like RE Howard and other contemporaries, their racism was much more a product of their time and socially accepted culture than sexual assault is nowadays. These faults were a product of their time rather than a fault in their moral fibre. As opposed to Weinstein and his ilk who are scumbags by the standards of their own time already.
   
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If memory serves, from various reading of articles I've done about Lovecraft (articles about him were popular when he was taken off of the 'World Fantasy awards' award), 'a product of his time' really doesn't wash for excusing him. - EG, he was called out for his attitude by various contemplates on several occasions.

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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Looks like George Takei has been added to the list now.


Well, I was wrong. I thought Louis CK was going to be the most disappointing one.

George Takei has responded on social media:
George Takei wrote:Friends,
I'm writing to respond to the accusations made by Scott R. Brunton. I want to assure you all that I am as shocked and bewildered at these claims as you must feel reading them.
The events he describes back in the 1980s simply did not occur, and I do not know why he has claimed them now. I have wracked my brain to ask if I remember Mr. Brunton, and I cannot say I do. But I do take these claims very seriously, and I wanted to provide my response thoughtfully and not out of the moment.
Right now it is a he said / he said situation, over alleged events nearly 40 years ago. But those that know me understand that non-consensual acts are so antithetical to my values and my practices, the very idea that someone would accuse me of this is quite personally painful.
Brad, who is 100 percent beside me on this, as my life partner of more than 30 years and now my husband, stands fully by my side. I cannot tell you how vital it has been to have his unwavering support and love in these difficult times.
Thanks to many of you for all the kind words and trust. It means so much to us.
Yours in gratitude,
George


Some pretty delicious irony here. Apparently when you're the one staring down the barrel of nasty allegations it's time for nuance and discussion, but not before.


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I don't think "delicious irony" is a great choice of words when it comes to potential sexual assault and the victims.


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Make sure to remember these events the next time someone claims that rape and sexual abuse mainly is a problem among immigrants and that there's no "domestic" rape culture. This gak is everywhere. It permeates society from top to bottom. Wherever there is power there's gakbags ready to abuse that power to hurt others.

Agreed, from #metoo it appears widespread in Europe as well as the US. Sadly just the term 'rape culture' only brings out the worst gak in certain parts of society, instead of leading to a constructive debate.

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