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Cataphract wrote:
Magnus got Bamboozled

Perfect Caption
"You thought it was pizza delivery, but it actually Magnus, bamboozled again!"


Ordered the rogue trade farseer and spiritseer. I'm tempted with the rest, but... I don't think I can afford it!

Thanks for heads up on pre-order. Just called and separated order to make sure I get codex at store this weekend.

I appreciate the measure of artistic license here not showing the avatar barely reaching up to magnus' knee.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/24/free-rules-for-the-craftworlds-bonesingergw-homepage-post-2/

Rule for Bonesinger out.

Nice - I don't much care for the model so I was going to make my own and peruse the web for its rules when they shipped - nice to see them show up for free! Woohoo.

About on par with any other repair unit. If you don't like them yet, you're not going to like them still.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
About on par with any other repair unit. If you don't like them yet, you're not going to like them still.

What else currently has the keyword "Warhost"?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
About on par with any other repair unit. If you don't like them yet, you're not going to like them still.

What else currently has the keyword "Warhost"?

I take it that he means things like the Enginseer or techmarine.

I think the bonesinger is overpriced at 70 points. I'd put him around 50. He's effectively unarmed, though I guess the option of casting smite instead of doing his actual job does give you options.

Mainly a fluff mini though I think, which is fine.

Mandragola wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
About on par with any other repair unit. If you don't like them yet, you're not going to like them still.

What else currently has the keyword "Warhost"?

I take it that he means things like the Enginseer or techmarine.

I think the bonesinger is overpriced at 70 points. I'd put him around 50. He's effectively unarmed, though I guess the option of casting smite instead of doing his actual job does give you options.

Mainly a fluff mini though I think, which is fine.

That has nothing to do with what I asked.

What else, Eldar wise, has the keyword "Warhost"? Is this model the only one or what?

<--Doesn't have the Eldar Index and is curious to see.

 Kanluwen wrote:

That has nothing to do with what I asked.

What else, Eldar wise, has the keyword "Warhost"? Is this model the only one or what?

<--Doesn't have the Eldar Index and is curious to see.

Everything in the codex that isn't Aspect Warriors, Spirit Host (wraiths and their support, Phoenix Lords or the Avatar of Khaine has it.

I agree that 70 points is a bit much, but as an option when desired I can't complain. Curious model too - considering it only has Smite and a crappy hand to hand weapon to defend itself with. Pretty cool - I've ordered an old Warlock I'll be converting into one for when desired.

Chopstick wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/24/free-rules-for-the-craftworlds-bonesingergw-homepage-post-2/

Rule for Bonesinger out.

Oh, so they can put point values on data sheets after all.
Why the didn't they just do that in the first place, rather than fiddling about with an absurdist's nightmare of cross-referencing!

Because points values will be changing in the future - and it's easier to post up a single PDF of a "points page".

The benefits massively outweight the negatives. If you're that concerned about it...write it into your codex.

With the Bonesinger being a one-off support PDF it's a logical decision to do it this way.

Voss wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/24/free-rules-for-the-craftworlds-bonesingergw-homepage-post-2/

Rule for Bonesinger out.

Oh, so they can put point values on data sheets after all.
Why the didn't they just do that in the first place, rather than fiddling about with an absurdist's nightmare of cross-referencing!

Because this model has no options?

I was hoping he'd be a bit cheaper or at least have more than 3" range on his ability, no matter, I'm glad there are rules for his model.

Great to have rules for this model. Running Iyanden, using this model plus strategem to rebuild wraith units is going to be great. Now to figure out if I can get 3 detachments into 2000pts (Battalion with guardians, rangers, Vanguard with x3 wraith units, supreme command with 3 warlocks). 8 CPs not bad for an Eldar force.

Another thing to point out on the Bonesinger that I think is unique to him... He doesn't repair at the end of his movement phase.

Normally, Meks and Enginseers etc do their repairs at the end of their movement phase. But the Bonesinger does his in the psychic phase instead.

I don't know if this actually matters, or has any pros or cons, I just found it interesting. Does mean he could move in his movement phase, then be moved again using the Eldar warptime ability in the psychic phase, and then do his healing after that. Probably wouldn't ever happen unless you desperately needed to heal a specific unit, but it's a thought.

Niiru wrote:
Another thing to point out on the Bonesinger that I think is unique to him... He doesn't repair at the end of his movement phase.

Normally, Meks and Enginseers etc do their repairs at the end of their movement phase. But the Bonesinger does his in the psychic phase instead.

I don't know if this actually matters, or has any pros or cons, I just found it interesting. Does mean he could move in his movement phase, then be moved again using the Eldar warptime ability in the psychic phase, and then do his healing after that. Probably wouldn't ever happen unless you desperately needed to heal a specific unit, but it's a thought.

That's a good point and I can see where that could be decisive in a battle.

It also looks like he can repair as a Soulburst action for a Ynnari army.

 Oaka wrote:
It also looks like he can repair as a Soulburst action for a Ynnari army.

I don't think so. Soulburst allows you to cast a psychic power as if it was the Psychic phase. The reknit ability may be used in the Psychic phase, but is not a psychic power

 Galef wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
It also looks like he can repair as a Soulburst action for a Ynnari army.

I don't think so. Soulburst allows you to cast a psychic power as if it was the Psychic phase. The reknit ability may be used in the Psychic phase, but is not a psychic power

I agree with this interpretation, as the ability isn't technically a psychic power, unfortunately.

I'm interested to find out what units are listed as "Wraith Constructs". Currently that's not a keyword in the index, instead the Wraith units are listed as "Spirit Host". (who wan't to bet they've accidentally messed this up without realising they haven't added in the Construct keyword? ) It'd also be interesting to see whether they then clarify it to allow models within a unit to be brought back after dying similar to an apothecary.

As for 70 points, i think it's a bit much, but not by more. A spiritseer is 45 points, and a tech-priest enginseer is 52? so i see this as a kind of weird hybrid getting the best of both worlds and thus needs to be slightly more expensive than the enginseer.

Kdash wrote:
It'd also be interesting to see whether they then clarify it to allow models within a unit to be brought back after dying similar to an apothecary.

The rule reads "pick a model", not unit. So it cannot bring models back since you cannot select a non-existent model.

Kdash wrote:


I'm interested to find out what units are listed as "Wraith Constructs". Currently that's not a keyword in the index, instead the Wraith units are listed as "Spirit Host". (who wan't to bet they've accidentally messed this up without realising they haven't added in the Construct keyword? )

Wraithguard, Wraithblades, Wraithlord, Hemlock Wraithfighter and Wraithknight have the Wraith Construct keyword.

Yep, I see nothing relating to resurrecting anything. It's an expensive curious character, but it's nice to finally have a little option to aid distressed vehicles. It is an Elite choice too, which is also a bit odd (but seen in many other codices).

I mean, I'll probably just end up running the one I'll be getting as a farseer, but it's nice that GW made the rules publicly available.

Kdash wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
It also looks like he can repair as a Soulburst action for a Ynnari army.

I don't think so. Soulburst allows you to cast a psychic power as if it was the Psychic phase. The reknit ability may be used in the Psychic phase, but is not a psychic power

I agree with this interpretation, as the ability isn't technically a psychic power, unfortunately.

I'm interested to find out what units are listed as "Wraith Constructs". Currently that's not a keyword in the index, instead the Wraith units are listed as "Spirit Host". (who wan't to bet they've accidentally messed this up without realising they haven't added in the Construct keyword? ) It'd also be interesting to see whether they then clarify it to allow models within a unit to be brought back after dying similar to an apothecary.

As for 70 points, i think it's a bit much, but not by more. A spiritseer is 45 points, and a tech-priest enginseer is 52? so i see this as a kind of weird hybrid getting the best of both worlds and thus needs to be slightly more expensive than the enginseer.

It's basically an enginseer with smite, or perhaps a better comparison would be a Warpsmith.

A Chaos Warpsmith can heal D3 wounds per turn, or he can "curse" an enemy vehicle for 1 mortal wound. He comes with a meltagun, power axe and mechatendrils for 67 points.

For about the same cost, the Bonesinger instead can "curse" (Smite) any unit he likes, for D3 (or even up to D6) mortal wounds. He can also deny a power. So his "power" is better than the Warpsmith, but he doesn't have a meltagun or mechatendrils which make the Warpsmith a nasty fighter.

So yeh, Bonesinger is probably about 17 points overpriced - the price of the meltagun. If it wasn't for that, it would probably be comparable.

Niiru wrote:

It's basically an enginseer with smite, or perhaps a better comparison would be a Warpsmith.

A Chaos Warpsmith can heal D3 wounds per turn, or he can "curse" an enemy vehicle for 1 mortal wound. He comes with a meltagun, power axe and mechatendrils for 67 points.

For about the same cost, the Bonesinger instead can "curse" (Smite) any unit he likes, for D3 (or even up to D6) mortal wounds. He can also deny a power. So his "power" is better than the Warpsmith, but he doesn't have a meltagun or mechatendrils which make the Warpsmith a nasty fighter.

So yeh, Bonesinger is probably about 17 points overpriced - the price of the meltagun. If it wasn't for that, it would probably be comparable.

The warpsmith also has a flamer. And the big difference is it can repair and still shoot, whereas the bonesinger can't repair and smite. So the bonesinger comes out waaay behind. 4++ doesn't compete with 2+ and marine stats either.

I still dont understand why GW release first rules for an existing model 40% overcosted

strateger wrote:
I still dont understand why GW release first rules for an existing model 40% overcosted

That's easy (though as it does something unique for the faction I'm not sure it's that overcosted), since the model is a limited release GW don't want it to be a staple of the faction but rather a fun model to play if you have it. If you don't want something to accidentally become too good, you have to err on the side of caution.

I think it's better that way, I wouldn't want a top choice for an army to be available for one week only (plus any old ones floating around).

 Cream Tea wrote:

strateger wrote:
I still dont understand why GW release first rules for an existing model 40% overcosted

That's easy (though as it does something unique for the faction I'm not sure it's that overcosted), since the model is a limited release GW don't want it to be a staple of the faction but rather a fun model to play if you have it. If you don't want something to accidentally become too good, you have to err on the side of caution.

I think it's better that way, I wouldn't want a top choice for an army to be available for one week only (plus any old ones floating around).

Plus, if you do compare it with an enginseer, it does have the interesting bonus of being able to heal wraithguard (who are essentially infantry) as well as vehicles. In fact, a squad of 5 wraithguard/blades in a serpent have 2 spare seats for characters. Usually one would be a spiritseer (or a warlock if you're desperate for points), leaving a spare seat... healing any damaged wraithguard back to full health every turn isn't a terrible idea. And if there's no damages guard, you could heal the wave serpent, or a nearby wraithlord. He's pretty versatile for a Wraith-heavy list.

Not 70 points maybe, but I'd say 50 or 60 wouldn't be terrible for him, as he is completely unique in the Eldar lists. So 70 isn't an awful stretch.

If only they had let him choose a single Runes of Battle power though. Then he would have been spot on.